Subject: SMML VOL 2183 Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:29:01 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Mag review Navy League of Australia 2: Wreck of CSS Virginia may have been located 3: Colurcoat requests, puhleeze.... 4: Iceland 5: Sources of Ship plans, etc 6: Re: Micro Mark, Abe Taubman 7: "Auto Etch" Photoetch System 8: Arizona Deck Color 9: Re: Plans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Allied Coastal Forces Volume II - Elcos and Vospers - For sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi all, Lorna & I are attending a model show in Wollongong (south of Sydney) over the weekend. As such SMML will possibly be on a reduced rate until Sunday depending on net connections. If you're in the area, check out: http://firestorm1.topcities.com/ipma/index.htm All the best, Shane & Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: andrew jones Subject: Mag review Navy League of Australia Hiya. just rcvd the latest issue of the Navy League of Australia, another good edition of data & info * HMAS Australia (II) From Flagship to Mercy Ship..in regards to its mercy dash in 1950 to Heard Island to medevac a scientish with apendicitis * pride of the Sultan of Brunei - the 95m offshore patrol vessels * News from around the world * stacks of photos... one of the USS George Washington passing the USS Winconsin museum (taken by a helo.. the museum /hall looks nice) ..Good photo on the back with 5 warships - HMAS Darwin,USS Paul Himilton, USS Fletcher, HMAS Anzac & HMS Cardiff...shows the Fletcher leading the pack in V formation with a large US flag flying in the breeze..photo take in the Gulf before the war. * My favourite this time is a factional piece of work: Chielf of Navy's 2015 Decommissioning Speech of HMAS Australia (III) - ex Invincible Class carrier..here are some of the points - * ex HMS Invincible taken over by the RAN on a bleak winters day in Portsmouth in 1985 * No fighters due to the budget could not afford them..so was only used for Sea King, Wessex & Seahawk helo's * Modified to no longer carry the Sea Dart & various radar systems ..so successful that the RN copied the plans in 1990's for their remaing ships (my favourite!!!) * Arrived in Oz waters in 1986 in various exercises & deployments up north * deployed to the first Saddam war when they invaded Kuwait flying helo's (both RAN & Army) * awarded the Presidential Unit Citation * Rcvd it own group of AV-8B Harriers II in 1991 * Saw action in Somalia * deploye dto Bouganville for a Peace conference * Deployed to the 2nd Saddam War * in 2000 supported Australian troops in East Timor * deployed to the UK after a major exercise *2012 called to Port Morsby after riots * 2012 announced that HMAS Australia would be decommissioned in 2015 to be replced by HMAS Australia (IV) that was built in the UK (not happy about that!!! Aussie Built please!!!!! Aj ) Plenty of photos, but of the actual HMS Invicible..bad news is that none of them were touched up to show an Aussie flag or ship number (not that you can really see a good clear shot of flags, though there appears to be 2 shots that might show the Aussie naval flag) - bummer! regards Andrew Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Richa5011 Subject: Wreck of CSS Virginia may have been located I saw this report on the AP wire service...very interesting if it is in fact the wreck of the Virginia. Nat Richards >> Wreck of CSS Virginia may have been located Associated Press PORTSMOUTH, Va. (April 30) - An underwater survey found what might be remnants of the Confederate ironclad warship Virginia, the former USS Merrimack that fought the Union's ironclad Monitor in the 1862 battle that redefined naval warfare. ``It would be a stroke of incredible luck to discover it after all these years,'' said Dick Hoffeditz, curator of the Virginia War Museum in Newport News. The underwater survey, for the proposed construction of a marine terminal on the Elizabeth River, describes two shipwrecks in the area and says there is ``a distinct possibility'' that they might be parts of the Virginia and of a schooner that hit the submerged wreck and sank next to it. The Monitor and the Virginia - which was built on part of the salvaged hull of a Union sailing ship, the USS Merrimack - fought a pounding battle near Newport News on March 9, 1862. It was the first clash of wooden ships armored with steel plates to repel cannon balls. Most historians consider the four-hour battle a draw. On May 11, 1862, the Virginia ran aground near Craney Island. After the crew was evacuated, the ship was set afire, detonating the 16,000 pounds of black powder in the ship's magazine. Documents show that salvage companies later removed two boilers and parts of the wooden hull. What was left of the ship was again blown up, and some sections were dragged to the Navy Yard in Portsmouth. Several parts of the Virginia survive in museums, including dented armor and the ship's wheel at the Mariners' Museum, and an anchor and part of a propeller shaft at the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond. The Virginia Department of Historic Resources has called for a follow-up investigation to decide if the wreck spotted in the survey is the Virginia. If it is, federal and state laws require that the ship's remains be removed before any dredging can take place. The Monitor sank at the end of 1862, landing upside down in 240 feet of water, 16 miles off Hatteras, N.C. A joint Navy and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration team has raised the Monitor's turret and other parts. The Mariners' Museum in Newport News has custody of Monitor artifacts. << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Colurcoat requests, puhleeze.... Polish subject modelers, I've asked WEM to consider the following additions to their Colourcoat line. 1) The correct grey for pre-WWII ships? I've read it as a grey-green, but lack any solid info -- the reference was Hreachmack :( referring to Jane's '37 and '42... Of course, to further confuse, a check at http://grom.mw.mil.pl/muzeum/dzialblyskawica.html showed BLYSKAWICA in something akin to the British "Admiralty Disruptive Light" scheme -- this could be consistent with repainting the vessel during the war to match the British standards of their deployment. 2) The olive drab or "Polish khaki" used for aircraft. Humbrol had it as "Matt Field Drab", #142. I have only been able to find a single precious tin... I've found one claim, http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_colorcharts_humbrol.htm that #142 is a.k.a. FS-30118, which I find as "Dark Earth" or "Field Drab", depending on the source. John's response was >> We'd need something more concrete to go on than Hreachmack's reference; an actual sample, or the colour standard to which it was mixed. Same would hold true for the aircraft paint. << Does anyone know if the color descriptions above are correct? Does anyone have this or better info available? David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "M Brown" Subject: Iceland Does olafur know the colours of the Icelandic navy/Coastguard so I can paint my Aegir in the right colours? Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: GKingzett Subject: Sources of Ship plans, etc Devin asked if Abe Taubman in Jersey City had a store where his stock is on display. I don't think so. But it so happens that the Ship Model Society of Northern New Jersey is putting on a Model Ship Exposition and Show at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey. I don't know Abe personally, but several members of the club are longtime friends and contemporaries of Abe and could certainly supply all the information Devin or anyone else could want. Show hours are 9 to 4, Saturday, May 17 at the FAA building at Teterboro, just off Route 46. Topics of the seminars include: miniature lathe work, building from kits and plan interpretation, vacuum forming, resistance soldering, weathering. and photoetch. Modelers are invited to bring models to display. The show is a good blend of traditional sticks and strings and plastic warship models so all sizes and shapes are welcome. The club website is http://www.njshipmodelsociety.com. The show is free. Gary Kingzett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Micro Mark, Abe Taubman Wow, you poor people have to _order_ from their catalog and wait for the mails? I just page through it, circle what I want, then drive 10 minutes to their store. :-) Abe Taubman does not have a storefront, he only deals via mail. I lived in Jersey City when I first ordered from him, and he was a little put off when I suggested saving postage, so I've never met him in person. I do hope someone can take over for him when the inevitable happens. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: JVT7532 Subject: "Auto Etch" Photoetch System Hey Keith, I'm in the area, if you have an address, I could check it out for you. Best regards, Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Raven0222 Subject: Arizona Deck Color What color were the decks of the USS Arizona at the time of the Pearl attack? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: ELLshipmodeler Subject: Re: Plans Paulship37 wrote: >> Here's a thought, this list has some very knowledgeable people. Is anyone out there interested in working on a list of current sources for ship plans as a kind of "service project" for the ship-model building community? We could put it in the archives and maybe update it from time to time. << The last I checked there was a very comprehensive sources list for ship plans on the NRG web site. I initiated it at least ten years ago, and I believe that the current web master, Vince McCullough has been keeping it updated. www.Naut-Res-Guild.org Go to sources for model builders. Gene Larson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: Allied Coastal Forces Volume II - Elcos and Vospers - For sale Have just received an extra copy of this title after a long-forgotten back order turned up - brand new and still wrapped - from the UK. I am asking $90 Australian or a swap for Volume 1 - Fairmiles and Subchasers. This volume is currently retailing for between $105 and $120 in Oz. contact me offlist if you are interested. regards Stephen Allen Canberra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume