Subject: SMML VOL 2185 Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 02:18:21 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Wiswesser Ship Plans 2: Clasic Warships 3: Saratoga question 4: Arizona colors 5: Warship Plans 6: Re: New Model 7: HMAS Arunta Camouflage 8: Re: 40mm Quad Gun Shields 9: Re: Arizona Deck Color 10: Re: HMAS Canberra Cap Tally 11: Re: autoetch PE system ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael Aono" Subject: Re: Wiswesser Ship Plans >> The site for "Wind Jammer" is www.windjammer-arts.com. They offer the Edward Wiswesser plans, 500 of them. The Wiswesser plans were done some time ago. Some were done in the 40's before any official information was available. Some are "rude and crude" by today's standards. They vary in quality and accuracy, but for those with just a casual interest in ships they are an inexpensive way to get something to frame and mount on the wall. I scratch-built some ships using Wiswesser's plans back in the 70's and 80's when there wasn't much out there, and it was fun. Nowadays better (and more expensive) plans are often available. << I wish I was warned about the inaccuracies in Wiswesser's ship plans when I first started scratch building. The first two hulls I made used Wiswesser plans and I learned the hard way of just how inaccurate they are. A little more experience in how to do research before construction would have saved me a lot of time too. This was back in February 2000. I was able to make corrections to one of the hulls which was the USS Victory. The second hull was the Gearing and it would have taken less time to build a new one from scratch then make corrections so I converted it for R/C use. Since then, I have been trying to compile a list of vender for ship plans. I was unaware Wiswesser had such a large collection. I had the opportunity to review a few other of his plans such as the Iowa, South Dakota (post WW I version) and some commerce ships but the quality was relatively the same. I usually steer hobbiest away from Wiswesser plans if they are attempting to build scale. I will have to check out Wind Jammers and see what they have. Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "George Frey" Subject: Clasic Warships I have been trying to get the Missouri/Iowa conversion kit for some time now, I have written to Steve Wiper a couple of times, and he said they would be ready toward the end of March, but the last time i wrote him I recived no response. Are these kits back in production? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Raven0222 Subject: Saratoga question Did Saratoga ever exist with both the squared flight deck in front AND the big 8 inch guns? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Raven0222 Subject: Arizona colors O.K. then. SO definitively if I am reading this right. The Arizona at the moment she was bombed was carrying teak decks in natural color and deck blue on the remaining horizontal surfaces.........???? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "lamkeel" Subject: Warship Plans Hi you all - worldwide. I recently purchased a book "The Military and Aviation Book Club Militaria Directory and Sourcebook" (The Essential Reference Book for all military hobbyists). The back cover blurb states "With nearly three thousand entries, The Militaria Directory and Source Book 2003, provides an essential companion to the modeller, wargamer, re-enactor or military enthusiast. As Philip Sidnell, Editor of the Military History and Aviation Book Society says in his introduction: "The sheer number of entries in this excellent directory shows just how many of us there are out there and will put the reader in touch with somebody else, probably many somebodies, who shares their passions or at least has what they need to indulge them" It continues - "Under the 26 headings identified below are listed every service, profession, manufacturer or supplier in the British Isles and many others worldwide". This is self praise indeed, but it does not come up to its expectations. There is not one entry providing model warship drawings. Neither David MacGregor Plans, or myself or any other source have a mention. Deans Marine, White Ensign Models are ignored too. Whilst it states that this is the tenth year of publication, the idea is good, but the background research is poor. I WILL be getting in touch with them. On a more positive note my Warship Plans list has now reached the magic figure of 200 subjects. My web site is being updated as we speak and should come on line in its improved version later this month. (A face lift but no botox). See WWW.john-lambert-plans.com Yours "Aye" John Lambert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Gregg Dunphy Subject: Re: New Model Congratulations, Graham! May your new model bring you all of the endless and miraculous joy with which she, like all of the new models, was sureley endowed by her Maker. If Willow is your first new model, rest assured that she will indeed irrevocable change your life. May you and yours find happiness in those changes as you grow together. Cheers! Gregg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Sanartjam Subject: HMAS Arunta Camouflage Hi SMML, I hope I haven't asked this before somewhere.... Anyway, the Australian War Memorial web site has some beautiful photographs of the Tribal class destroyer HMAS Arunta in 1942 in a really striking two-color camouflage pattern. One of the nicest photographs is No. 300202. Anyone know what the colors were? It doesn't look quite 507C/507A to me. Thanks! Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: 40mm Quad Gun Shields Hello SMML, Does anyone know what the "rule" was on when quad 40mm mounts in the U.S. Navy in WWII had gun shields and when they didn't? I'm not talking about the circular gun tubs the mount sat in; I'm talking about the shields on the mount itself. It looks like mounts on battleships had shields, and I assume that mounts on destroyers didn't, but I don't know about aircraft carriers, cruisers, and all the other ships. The WSW Georges Leygues has resin quad 40mm mounts with shields, and after looking at photographs it looks to me like the shields need to come off. Thanks for your help! Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: wem Subject: Re: Arizona Deck Color >> The Arizona was painted in 5-L Light Gray on all vertical surfaces. Main deck and 02 level (boat deck) where Teak colored. Above that all horizontal surfaces were Deck Blue. This was the scheme carried till about November 1941. Measure 14 was used after November 1941and is what you see at the time of Pearl Harbor . Vertical surfaces on the hull and super structure were Ocean Gray. Masts, yards, and towers above the the superstructure were painted Haze Gray. All horizontal surfaces were Deck Blue. Color chips are available from Snyder and Short Enterprises, 9175 Kiefer Blvd. #224, Scramento, Ca.95826. E Order U.S. Navy World War II Ship Colors These colors are available in paint from Pacific Front Hobbies and White Ensign Models. << NO! THIS IS INCORRECT. ARIZONA was NEVER painted overall in 5-L Light Gray, and she NEVER carried Deck Blue 20-B on her decks. She was NEVER painted in Measure 14. Until November 1941 she was painted overall in #5 Standard Navy Gray, with steel decks and horizontal surfaces in #20 Standard Deck Gray. Wood decks were holystoned teak. In November 1941 she repainted into Measure 1, overall 5-D Dark Gray on all vertical surfaces up to the level of the top of the stack, and on all horizontal steel surfaces. Vertical surfaces above the level of the top of the stack were the 1941 version of 5-L Light Gray. Wood decks remained holystoned teak. Best, John Snyder The Paint Guy White Ensign Models and Snyder & Short Enterprises ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "david harris" Subject: Re: HMAS Canberra Cap Tally >> Can anyone please point me to where I might be able to purchase an HMAS Canberra cap tally? Having been her OOW when Savo started, I am seeking a cap tally for a friend whose Dad was sunk in her. << Found this link on the Internet. Perhaps they can help? http://www.glendinnings.com.au/index.html?target=Glendinnings_ShopTally_Bands.html Good luck with the search. David Harris, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SantMin Subject: Re: autoetch PE system I have an Autoetch but haven't used it in some time. I would like to pass on a hint however. I eliminated the photography steps by doing my drawing on the computer, then making the drawing a negative, then printing it out onto clear overhead slide material. This works the same as a photo negative except that it is slightly ruined during the process of making the plates (some of the ink comes off). No problem though, it does not hurt the plate and you can always print out another "negative:. Cheers, Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume