Subject: SMML VOL 2201 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 02:03:13 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: A CAD question 2: USS Truman returns to Virginia 3: Re: CAD programs 4: Is that really true? 5: Fiume camouflage 6: Re: USS Constellation & Mobile Bay 7: Do you remember 8: "We Didn't Sink The Bismarck" 9: CAD 10: Re: Do you remember.... 11: Re: Keith's Exploding battleship 12: Re: contacting Abe Taubman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New Book from Classic Warships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: A CAD question Hi Darius, Doug offers good advice regarding Rhino, especially as it DOES include tools for assessing fairness of curves. I put a short tutorial on this very subject on my site www.tjpgraphics.com . There is another on the Rhino website that Doug mentions. Again, no commercial interest in Rhino, just a VERY enthusiastic user, both in my day job and as a hobby tool. Doug, if you ever want to compare notes, do drop me a line! tim@tjpgraphics.com Tim Perry wunwinglow www.tjpgraphics.com for digital aviation modelling ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Kutina Subject: USS Truman returns to Virginia http://www.military.com/Content/Printer_Friendly_Version/1,11491,,00.html?str_filename=FL%5Ftruman%5F052403&passfile=FL%5Ftruman%5F052403&page_url=%2FNewsContent%2F1%2C13319%2CFL%5Ftruman%5F052403%2C00%2Ehtml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "dennis irwin" Subject: Re: CAD programs Last week I downloaded a shareware program from freedownloads called Aha!CAD Converter V1.0. I have not tried it out yet but there are several programs out there as share ware to try out. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Pwesty" Subject: Is that really true? >> My understanding is the USS Independence (CV-62) is the only carrier that is in reserve, not stricken. I heard the Bush Administration was mulling whether or not to bring her back on line. << Hi List I was wondering if that is really true? About the Bush administration what to bring the USS Independence (CV-62) back into serve or is this just a rumor like in the 80's that the Reagan administration wanting to be back the USS Oriskany back on line? Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Rule" Subject: Fiume camouflage >> The correct 1941 RN Fiume camouflage is reported on the instructions of the 1/400 Fiume kit by Tauro, as these kits were originally produced under the supervision of the Italian Navy Historic Office. << Hi Stefano, I would very much appreciate a copy of the Fiume camouflage sheet, as I always understood that it was not known. Sincerely, John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Re: USS Constellation & Mobile Bay Hi Concerning the USS CONSTELLATION CV-64 age. The carrier was built at the New York Navy Yard and entered service in 1961. That same year the USS KITTY HAWK CV-63 and ENTERPRISE CVN-65 entered service. The CONSTELLATION CV-64 was almost destroyed by fire in late 1960 when she caught fire fitting out causing 100 shipyard workers and nearly 30 NYFD fire fighters to die. The USS John Kennedy CV-67 entered service in 1968. I hope this is of help to you. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Stephen C. Gustafson" Subject: Do you remember Keith, the song was done by Homer & Jethro. It can be found in mp3 format on any number of file sharing programs. Best, Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: raisingirl Subject: "We Didn't Sink The Bismarck" hi all -- Keith Butterley wrote: >> Any ways as I was doing the paint thing with my hands, I was wandering down the empty corridors of my mind and stumbled across a couple of items for way back when. 50+ members should know what I am talking about. Remember the Johnny Horton song Sink the Bismarck? Ok there was a parody of it, I don't know who sang it and or what it was called, it went something like this (insert Horton tune) << Yup, IIRC this was "We Didn't Sink The Bismarck" by Homer and Jethro (sorry Ralph, not Jethro Tull). There used to be a RealAudio version of it on a website but it got taken down and I didn't think to download it. It's a scream. IIRC, the chorus went: Oh, we didn't sink the Bismarck, or anything at all We spent our time in Norfolk and we really had a ball Chasin' after women while our ship was overhauled Livin' it up on grapefruit juice and sick-bay alcohol And the classic stanza: Tony, our Italian cook, was sittin' on the deck And we were peelin' taters -- we nearly peeled a peck Someone yelled, "Hey, Tony! Is that a U-boat I see?" Tony said, "It-a notta my boat, it-a no belong to me!" Homer and Jethro also did another Horton parody, "Battle of Kookamonga," about a boys' camp. It was a spoof of "The Battle of New Orleans." Please don't ask me how I know about these things.... :) jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Jtennier Subject: CAD Hi: I think Ron's comments are pretty what I've done successfully. Rusty: You might have missed it earlier, but it was alluded to in a previous post, all scans of a GIF, TIFF, BMP, etc nature are raster images (made of pixels). These pixels are then given a density (you know the mega-pixel size your camera is) and then colour (either true colour or 256 grayscale). More density and colour equal bigger files, but better resolution. CAD drawing packages use vectors, a mathematical equation for every line in the drawing (line goes from point A to B, no pixels involved at all). You can go from rasters to vectors, and Ron has said, use CorelDraw, if it's colour, convert to grayscale, then clean up the drawings, try to get a consistent "pixel width" for your drawings and then convert to DXF and import into AutoCAD. However, if you have the drawings, you can easily make some copies, draw on a grid and then make a table of offsets, write a real simple script file, and draw the lines in. You have to play with grid density at where there are significant changes in the curvatures, but you'll find at up to 1/4" scale you can be pretty much bang on for complex shapes. I find this to be faster than all of the scanning, cleaning up, converting, importing, redrawing, etc. I use an old copy of R12 (DOS and educational at that). Convert to Plines and play with the splining characterisitics to get the lines fair. At the end of the day, it's your time and money, as I have little of both, but decent CAD skills, redrawing is simply faster. One more item: Darius, cross post to the Seaways list, I know there is a website that offers tutorials for drawing ships in AutoCAD, one of the guys on that list can set your straight, something Shipyard if I'm not mistaken. Like this list, they also have an archive and this topic has been discussed at length too there. Cheers John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Do you remember.... >> Remember the Johnny Horton song Sink the Bismarck? Ok there was a parody of it, I don't know who sang it and or what it was called, it went something like this (insert Horton tune) In May of 1942 or maybe 43 We were sailing with Captain Tuna The chicken of the sea We never sank the Bismarck No matter what they say Cuz when ever we saw a German ship We sailed the other way << Keith, I don't remember ever hearing that version, but it sounds like something that other rapscalion Canadian, Oscar Brand, would have done. Brand did a lot of parody songs about various branches of the service. Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: aandmblevins Subject: Re: Keith's Exploding battleship Hello Keith, I don't remember the song but the battleship is familiar. I had a set made of wood and spent a lot of time torpedoing the battleship. If I remember correctly the torpedo was painted bright red. When you removed the superstructure of the BB there was a sort of mousetrap arrangement that you cocked and it was attached to a round target on the hull of the ship. The sub had a forward torpedo tube and worked something like a dart gun. Thanks for the memories. ACB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Re: contacting Abe Taubman Hi Kurt et.al. Jeff Herne contacted me offlina and told me that Abe Taubman has been ill recently and that his daughters are looking after the business in his absence. Jeff is looking into the status of the order for me. Thank you for the information and thanks to Jeff for the service. Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper Subject: New Book from Classic Warships Warship Pictorial #18 - USS New Mexico BB-40 ISBN #0-9710687-8-X This book covers the United States Navy battleship USS New Mexico, hull number BB-40, from construction in the 1915 to 1918 period, to her scrapping in the 1960s. This battleship saw extensive action during the World War Two period, both in the Atlantic and Pacific campaigns. Many rare photographs, some never before in print are contained within this publication. Rare color photographs grace the front and back covers. The book is composed of 72 pages with complete chronological history on this ship. A total of 95 B&W photos throughout, with a color illustration of plan and profile of USS New Mexico in January 1942 in the center spread. There are an additional 20 sets of technical drawings and general statistics contained with the pages of this book. Extensive and informative captions help explain the multitude of photographs in this first time publication on the USS New Mexico. Retail price is $15.95. Check with your favorite hobby and book dealers in late June! Thanks, Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume