Subject: SMML VOL 2211 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:29:40 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Model shops and Museums around Washington DC 2: Dynamic Dioramas 3: Aircraft carriers 4: Re: AURORA ENTERPRIZE KIT 5: Re: American Civil War Ships 6: Re: Ship plans by Norman Ough 7: Re: Ship's Colours 8: Typhoon "Louise" 9: RCing CVN carrier Enterprise 10: RCing a CVN 75 another idea for ya 11: Re: Okinawa Typhoon 12: Re: TYPHOON 1945 13: Typhoon, April 1945 14: Okinawa Typhoon 15: Panda AB kit 16: Warship Plans 17: RC modelling & the Model club scene 18: Re: RC modelling & the Model club scene 19: Ohka Kamikaze Model 20: Ship Plans by Norman Ough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: 2003 IPMS(USA) Nats web page update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Francis Macnaughton" Subject: Model shops and Museums around Washington DC I am visiting the Washington area around the weekend 20 - 22 June. From a search of old SMML messages I have already noted that Nostalgic Plastic and the Smithsonian are musts. I would be grateful for any other suggestions including Radio Control model boat shops and museums for WW2 and the naval side of the Civil war. Francis Macnaughton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Dynamic Dioramas The guy who made that fantastic diorama is Joseph Neumeyer. He is the founder of Dynamic Dioramas. He's a professional model builder and diorama artist. He's worked on some well known movies. I sent him an e-mail some time ago to ask how he does his water. He replied saying, as I might have guessed that he was "not an amateur model maker" and didn't like to divulge key trade secrets, but that he had an article appearing in the April FSM, which gave some tips. If you check his website www.dynamicdioramas.org you can see more of his work. Unbelievable stuff. Regards Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Aircraft carriers The earliest American aircraft carriers were converted from hulls originally built for other purposes. Can anyone name the first American carrier designed from the very beginning to be an aircraft carrier? That might be a good question to apply to the British Fleet Air Arm as well. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: AURORA ENTERPRIZE KIT Hey, Harry! I still have my 1/400 Aurora Enterprise in the box. It'd be interesting to compare/contrast construction on the two kits, especially if you have a digital camera. I'm still trying to figure out, with all of the PE detail for the 1/350 Big E, how I get that level of detail in 1/400...without a heck of a lot of fine styrene work... Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Peter Webster Subject: Re: American Civil War Ships Hi Chris, A good reference source are Volumes 1 and 2 of 'The Old Steam Navy'. Volume 2 is 'The Ironclads, 1842 - 1885' by Donald L. Canney put out by The Naval Institute Press in 1993. The first volume is one the wooden vessels. The good thing about the book is the reproduction of original plans of the vessels. Peter Webster Sydney, Oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: Ship plans by Norman Ough >> David McGregor used to carry the Norman Ough range of plans and he advertised his plans service in various UK ship modelling magazines such as Model Boats. His advertisments now seem to have dissappeared from these magazines. Does anyone know if he is still in business and/or if there is an alternative source for the Norman Ough plans. << Ken, Try contacting teh good folks at White Ensign. Oh yea, please save me some Lion Red. I will need it after this December! Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Arjun Sarup" Subject: Re: Ship's Colours Hi Michael, Look at my web site 'Warships' for several photos of Indian Navy ships. It might give you an idea of the grey. http://pages.intnet.mu/warbirds/warships/index2.htm I haven't seen green used on the decks, though I have seen green used on a small part of an Indian Coast Guard ship. The same grey is normally used for both hull and deck on current Indian Navy ships. Any use of other colours for the deck would be of interest. Not all ships wear the same dark grey though. A recently photographed tug was painted light grey. Arjun Sarup Mauritius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Typhoon "Louise" >> Hello---My husband was in the US Navy on the USS Barnstable APA 93 during WW 2. He's trying to find out what the name of the typhoon was that was off the coast of Okinawa In early April 1945. (He said it was pretty scary!) << According to http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq102-6.htm the 9 October 1945 Storm at Okinawa was Typhoon "Louise." This sank 12 ships, grounded 222, and damaged 32 beyond repair. There were 36 dead, 47 missing, 100 seriously injured. Pretty scary, all right! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: RCing CVN carrier Enterprise Hello This is your OLD Portland Rustbukcet hope every body is doing fine. Now onto Some information that may help ya out, Yes I Know of that kit I have the old Life like kit from many years ago, OK if is the same kit I can't see any problems in it. NOW I dont have my ship done but I plan on useing it as a small RC; First off here is my size of kit about 34 inche long, beam about 4 inches wide give or take little depth of hull from top to keel with out deck about 1 and 3/4 inch high, Also has dual rudders and 4 props, TO me not a big deal. I am very use of doing things this small in RC as well as the very larger ships. Now here are my plans, I plan on adding my own shafts, stuffing box"s all from small brass tubing, Then get a small set of props plan on setting it up with a 4 motor set up. From what I can see from my kit there are guides all ready set in place for Motors and shafts as well as Rudders, Yes I do plan on adding a set of Brass rudders, Then I will use some small 6 volt motors for power along with a small electonic speed controll and eather a set of standard servos or a set a minny dependent at the time I set it up, May end up useing 4 or so D cell batterys for battery power, but not sure yet still in the planning stages. I will use direct drive not a gear box, I realy dont like gear box set ups. Now I dont advise putting it in a large body of water, maybe a very light pond or a swimming pool for you if you have the same ship as I do YOUR ship dont realy have much of free board, My ship will have more for I have done some deck and hull changes for I am converting my ship into the AVT - CV 16 The later USS Lexingtion carrier, SO I did a lot of changing, Cutting and adding, If I can help any more please get back in touch from my E mail address or ask on our board. I have been doing RC ship bulding for many years and have done a lot of different change over for my self as as well as others / For my self I just compleated a CVE escort carrier at 5 and half feet long. one of my larger ships and it is scratch built except for the hull this time I cheated i us a scale ship yard hull. if you want to see any of my work go to our picture board under members then look for me. Well I Hope I have help ya out a little. Don That Portland Rustbucket in Portland Oregon West coast USA, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: RCing a CVN 75 another idea for ya Just happen to think see if you can fine an old lindburg Blue Divil kit yes it is a gear box ,;-( I have set those up in the pass they work well to a point but you can use parts of the kit for what you want to do and just add a set of motors, OR use the gear box to see how you how like it then if your not happy change it over later. It has a set of duals not quad. but it has dual rudders that you may be able to use, then you can build the ship as a nice display?? Now one more look for an old Yamto Kit that was set up for motors then you should get your 4 props some of the tamiya kits were small metal and plactic gear box's there a little better then most but still you will loose a lot of power. But there a better unit to set up, Then Linburge (I Personaly Feel only ). Keep in mind I have use both set ups. BUt my self I would do my own personal power set up then I know what I have and can do my own repairs at the pond if I had to. Like I say this is my PERSONALY FEELINGS ONLY!!). I Do like THE lindburge kits they are a good kit for starters and one;s that want to get into RC ships with out alot Cash aly out at first. I have built many Lindburge kit's, I have a soft spot for the PTs. Lot's of fun even the smaller Pts that they use to put out. BUt not sure if they still sell the any of the smaller motor pts any more maybe on that one you can tell me. Ether way I am here if you would like to get intouch or if I can help any body elest with RC SHIP proplems I am only a E mail a way, or just drop a note on this board I allways keep an eye on the board It has me in the pass and glad to be part of a such fine group of modelers Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "testolog" Subject: Re: Okinawa Typhoon Hi Bob -- RE the typhoon that hit Okinawa, refer the lady who asked about it, to the History Channel at historychannel.com -- I saw a segment on the history channel about the Occupational forces and the giant typhoon not more than a month ago. She can probably find a reference to it there. Tom Detweiler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Gary Subject: Re: TYPHOON 1945 HTH, this is regarding the famous typhoon that hit Okinawa in early June 1945, which may be the one referred to http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq102-5a.htm regarding names, according to NOAA, Atlantic hurricanes didn't officially receive names until 1953 and Pacific storms until later, and even today the same Pacific storms have different names in different countries. With the suprise with which the fleet was caught (see the after action reports) I doubt the storm had a name. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: John Mianowski Subject: Typhoon, April 1945 It's my understanding that hurricanes, typhoons, & cyclones didn't start getting named until 1950. If so, then there never was a name for this typhoon. Not an official name, at least - I'm sure many of those who sailed through it came up with their own! JM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "david harris" Subject: Okinawa Typhoon Simon Foster's book "Okinawa 1945, Assault on an Empire" contains in one of its appendices a list of all 5th Fleet ships lost or damaged in support of the Okinawa Operation for the period 24th March to 21st June 1945. As far as I can see, there are two instances of ships being damaged by weather. It records many ships being damaged by a Typhoon, but this was on the 5th June. (A search on Google brings up plenty of information on this event, but no name that I could see). The other weather damage entry is for the 5th April & is referred to as being a storm. The appendix lists around a dozen LST's that suffered minor damage. If the event in April was classed as only being a storm & not a typhoon, perhaps it was never given an official name? Let me know if you need a scan of the relevant pages from the book. Sorry that I can't be of more help. Regards. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Panda AB kit Ray Bean!! A true modeler!!! Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ray Cockram Subject: Warship Plans Greetings All, Does any one out there in smmilie land know where I can lay my hands on Plans/Drawings of HMS Ark Royal post her last refit? Cheers Ray Ray Cockram ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Mastershipbldr Subject: RC modelling & the Model club scene I am also pleased to hear that IPMS is changing there rules towards ship models, but that is not enough. I have just come back from a IPMS regional in Greenville, SC where I took a giant scale radio controlled model of the USS ENTERPRISE CV-6. She took third and from where I stand the judging was not fair. I will explain my feeling. First it is radio controlled and any one that knows about radio control knows that a working ship has to be built a little different. She took major hits because of the seam line in her flight deck, never mind that was where the flight deck comes apart to gain access to the hanger deck lights and the lower sections of the ship. Also she took major hits because of the screws in the flight deck. Never mind that they had been painted to match the color of the flight deck, and that they were there to hold the flight deck down. I find it a sad state of affairs when judges are not understanding when it come to a working model. What's the deal here does IPMS think they are to good to be fair to working models and allowing for certain differences between a static display model and a working model? This ship was all scratch built form the ground up. I saw nothing there that took the skill, time or patience it took to build this ship. When I build this model I used nothing but a X-Acto knife a tri-square sand paper and files. Materials used were as follows. fiberglass, plastic, PVC sheets, brass, bronze, copper, alum. Stainless steel, steel, resin, wood and bondo. She took two years to build and has over 24,000 parts in her. The flight deck alone has 4,000 hand laid planks and 109 deck tie downs with 5200 holes all hand drilled. This ship took skill to build and that was not even concentered, and I find that to be unfair in the judging process. So no IPMS needs to do a whole lot more in changing there rules to include working models. Until that happens I will never take another ship to a IPMS meet. I am not trying to take anything away from kit builders but lets face it scratch building is a whole different breed of animal and making it radio controlled is even more so. Nothing would make me happier than to take my next ship USS HORNET CV-8 in 1/96 scale to the next regional but i won't unless they make changes to include radio controlled ships. They are models also and should be treated fairly. Thank you Donald Haugh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Shane Subject: Re: RC modelling & the Model club scene Hi Donald, I'm relying to here as a member of a plastic model club & a RC club. There are two solutions to this conumdrum, with the first one being rather brutal, but the other may help you and others out. There is on any competitor the obligation to make sure that they fully aware of the rules of that particular comp. The same also applies to the organisers, in making sure that competitors are aware of the rules - it's a two way street. Now, while no-one would doubt the effort & talent that goes into scratchbuilding a RC ship, you have to understand things from the other side first. The main problem you & the judges faced here was the age old hassle of "judging like with like". It is patently unfair to judge models in "THE SAME CATEGORY" differently. So unfortunately your model had to be judged to the same standard as other models in the competition. This means that you would take hits for seam lines, the attaching screws, etc. The solution to this particular problem is for you to liase with your local model club and possibly your local RC club to come up with a set of rules for competition that takes into account how a "working ship" should be judged - either in or out of the water. I speak from experience that drafting competition rules is no easy task as everyone will have different ideas & compromises will have to be made. Once that is done, you can then amend the rules when you have experience with the category. If then you want to take further up the ladder to regionals, etc you will have a basis to challenge changing the rules and adding a new category. So to sum up: make sure you are aware of the rules of any competition you are entering & try to introduce things at the local level first. Regards, Shane Member: APMA, Task Force 72 SMML Moderator ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Jim Powell" Subject: Ohka Kamikaze Model Can you tell me where I can find the original HAWK model of the Ohka Kamikaze? Thanks. Jim Powell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "James Hathaway" Subject: Ship Plans by Norman Ough Hi Ken, A while back I bought a 1/48th Castle Class Corvette hull from Metcalf Mouldings of England. It came with a set of Norman Ough plans. You might want to contact Metcalf Mouldings to see if he knows a source- Jim Hathaway ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR Subject: 2003 IPMS(USA) Nats web page update Everyone, The 2003 IPMS/USA Nationals web site has been updated with the following information. Check it out for the latest information regarding the Nats. 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