Subject: SMML VOL 2222 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:48:36 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Early Twentieth century Ships Registry 2: Great Britain 3: Chakri Naruebet 4: INTERWAR CARGO SHIPS 5: Re: Thai Carrier 6: DDG Panda kit 7: Yellowing hulls 8: Nautilas 1/350 Hornet conversion 9: Royal Navy and other Commonwealth Navies 10: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? 11: Re: Eagle boats 12: Re: help understanding pom pom guns 13: Re: "Other" carriers, et al 14: Re: Richelieu colors 15: early steam 16: RN Deck Colours ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: HGYL Subject: Re: Early Twentieth century Ships Registry You need to consult Lloyds Register of Shipping which has been published every year for the past couple of centuries or so. Your local library should be able to help you get hold of a copy of the year(s) you want. Then choose the ships you are interested in, then start the game looking for plans. Regards to all, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jim Mcneil @ Slackers" Subject: Great Britain At the risk of getting some serious flak from those of us SMMlies who are from there I am having a problem (a small one) with this "Great" Britain. Now I understand that it goes back a few years and was once quite correct, but lets face it "Great" is no longer the appropriate description for Britain. A hundred or two years ago it was quite correct that Britain was "Great", but after the First World War I think it is safe to say that "Great" began to be a little stretch of the situation. By the Twenties I think "Near Great" was better description of Britain, although Britain put on a very admirable show in WWII (The Big One) it was possible to see that her "Greatness" was stretched to the limit and indeed past the limit. By the late Forties it was plain to see that Britain was no longer "Great" and that in truth the "Greatness" had moved across the pond to the USA. I not trying to offend anyone but it is time that someone point out the reality that is plain to see. It is time the people of "Great" Britain face this reality and consider changing the "Great" to something more realistic. I was thinking of something like "Pretty Damm Good" Britain or "Bloody Good" Britain. I'm not really good at this sort of thing, but maybe someone out there has better ideas for the name change. For those of you out there who are from Britain , please understand I'm just pulling your leg (joking) Jim McNeil, in Slackers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Robert Healy" Subject: Chakri Naruebet All, The Thai aircraft carrier is named "Chakri Naruebet'. A near sister of the Spanish Principe de Asturias, she is officialy called a "Offshore Patrol Helicopter Carrier". Built in Spain to the similar specs for the Royal Thai Navy (Ski jump bow, a bit shorter though) it was launched in 1996 and has not done much since then. Compliment of A/C was thought to be about 12 Sea Harriers or 14 helicopters (some combination of both. Gospel: the ship is equipped with a special room for the use of the Thai Royal Family. Rumint: There is a space onboard to hold cows(or other livestock) for cerimonial occasions. Generally... Displacement: 10,000 tons (11,485 loaded) Speed :26.2 kts Compliment: 604 Length: 599 ft, Width 73 feet at the widest point. 4x20 20mm Phalanx, 1 Mk 41 VLS/Sea Sparrow launcher 2x30mm cannons (no details) I remember reading somewhere that they were considering selling her since the economy is so sour. It costs alot of money to keep it around, even if only pierside. Hope that helps. R./ Bob Healy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "david angelo" Subject: INTERWAR CARGO SHIPS If you have access to the back issues of the now defunct Plastic Ship Modeler, there were several plan & side views of these ships. Some large classes that come to mind are the Duxford motor ship, Hog Islander, Harriman freighter. I have a copy of the last that I can email you if you're interested. HTH David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Re: Thai Carrier Yes she is built along the lines of the Spanish Carrier, however she was built to commercial standards not naval standards. A few years ago talks were undertaken with the RAN as Thailand decided they couldn't afford her, at the time she was only about 12 months old. Wisely the Australian Navy declined, she could only really be used as a disaster relief vessel and we already have two (the LSTs). all the best Kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: DDG Panda kit HEY all ok now your Rustbucket could use some advise, Please. I look at the 1/350 kit of the DDG 51 full price. (Panda kit 1/350 new in a sealed box) Now can any of you help me. I was looking at a sealed kit wondering if I Could make it into RC or not? But I am sure one you out there can help me and all ready have the kit. I hope? 1 OK I need to know how long the kit is? 2 How wide it is? 3 is it one or 2 pice hull that will make a big difference on what I may do. 4 one more is it worth the price 24 to 25 US$$$ 5 O yes are there any nice photos of the real ship for they show nice small phota of it on the box so now I wonder if there is one in the box. OK Depending on what I here from ya and If I pick one up and turn it into RC I will let everbody know on how it turn out. IF you want get back in touch with me on my Personal E Mail at Donrcship@earthlink.net Can I compare it to a BLue devil in size for that one makes a good small pool RC or com pool RC. I have done a few of those in the pass. OK Now I am counting on all of you and I know you wont let me down for we have one fine group of modelers!! Thanks in advance -- Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "D.G. MacAhonic" Subject: Yellowing hulls Hi all, I build 1/700 scale waterline ships and was wondering what is the best matt finish to apply (by brush) to the hull? I have used Humbrol (enamel) Matt 49 for some time and it tends to yellow, anything I can do to remove it from previous models without damaging the initial paint jobs? or anything that can be added to the liquid to eliminate the yellowing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards from Canada's West coast. Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: DILIANE Subject: Nautilas 1/350 Hornet conversion This is a question for the more knowledgeable. I have heard of the 1/350 conversion by Nautilus for the Hornet to Enterprise. But where do I find this little gem? It seems to be a guarded secret, or I am just showing off my lack of computer skills at hunting. Thanks. Jim Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject: Royal Navy and other Commonwealth Navies It is not only SMMLies who blur the distinctions between HMSs and HM-something-Ss. Under the Washington Treaty, HMAS Australia (battlecruiser) was scrapped because counted against the UK total tonnage, even though she was only ever a ship of the Royal Australian Navy founded in 1911. Sistership HMS New Zealand was also scrapped, but she was always a British ship (donated by New Zealand, similarly to HMS Malaya donated by the Federated Malay States) The classic reference, British Cruisers of World War II (Raven/Roberts), includes HMAS Canberra and HMAS Australia ("Kent" class) even though neither ever served in the Royal Navy. The other listed Commonwealth cruisers (NZ - Achilles, Leander; Aust - Sydney, Hobart, Perth, later Shropshire; Canada - Gambia, Ontario) all either served in or started building as UK ships, so their inclusion is non-controversial. What is surprising is that even though the book covers "Arethusa" and early "C" classes of cruiser scrapped before WW2, HMAS Adelaide which served throughout WW2 was NOT included, even though of considerable interest as the only surviving broadside cruiser of the WW1 "Town" classes, and the only one of them ever to mount a superfiring main gun (in X position). There are some excellent photos of her showing this fitout in the Australian War Memorial in Canberra. Question for SMMLies: When did the New Zealand Division of the Royal Navy become the Royal New Zealand Navy and therefore the ships' prefix become HMNZS? John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Kutina Subject: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: PaulShip37 Subject: Re: Eagle boats Packed away in a box I'm pretty sure I have an ancient "Sea Classics" with an article on "Ford's Flivvers" (Eagle Boats). Also, The Floating Drydock has had a set of Eagle Boat drawings in 1:144 scale for a long time. (Plan # GQ-PE60, eagle boat #60 as she appeared in 5-17.) This time, Ford did not have a better idea... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: aleck stockins Subject: Re: help understanding pom pom guns Thanks to all that helped with the pom pom issue. I hope to count on you for future inquiries. Aleck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: "Other" carriers, et al Thanks to the respondents for their information about the Thai carrier. O. K., William Shuey, I can see a use for a floating helicopter facility, but why do they need the highly sophisticated Harriers? And Robert Mosher, is the Spanish-built Thai carrier built from the keel up as a (please forgive me) Harrier carrier? Is it currently operational? What is its name? When was it commissioned? Is it comparable to the Jeep carriers (no, they didn't launch or retrieve Jeeps) of WW 2? And to all who have patiently attempted to delineate the definitions and distinctions of the U. K., "Nice try". I'll attempt to refer to them correctly in the future. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SANDYMOOR Subject: Re: Richelieu colors Hi Art, Thanks, you've given me some helpful info. I went to the local library today and looked up the French definitions for these words: fonce- dark, clair- light, moyen- medium, violet- you guessed it, violet (kind of strange for a ship color!). Regards, Sandy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "David L. Fisher" Subject: early steam For the member looking for a source of plans for "unmodelled" turn of the century steam vessels; I suggest you try the Hart Maritime Museum at MIT., They have a large collection of plans which they will copy (for a price) for modellers. After a great deal of research I was able to locate the plans for the first US tanker - the Maverick at the Hart. The plans did not list the name of the vessel but with the dimensions, and the date of construction (1890) which I sent them the Curator was able to locate the plans which were listed under the designer's name (Haug). Inciendtly, the model turned out nicely and is now with the Maryland Historical Society. Good luck on your search. Dave Fisher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: RN Deck Colours Hi There I know we've covered this before, but with regard to the British capital ships involved in the Bismarck chase, which of these had their decks painted 507a? In particular Hood, POW, KGV & Rodney. Thanks Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume