Subject: SMML VOL 2223 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:55:46 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Nautilus Conversion 2: Re: Aircraft carrier conversions 3: Richelieu colours 4: Re: RN Deck Colours 5: Great Britain 6: Re: Nautilus CV-6 conversion 7: "Great Britain" 8: Re: The Thai "harrier" Carrier 9: Re: Great Britain 10: Other Carriers 11: Re: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? 12: Re: Eagle Boats 13: Royal Navy and other Commonwealth Navies 14: Re: HMNZS 15: Question for Group 16: United Britain?? 17: "Other" carriers, et al 18: USS Holland AS-3 19: Re: Hornet Conversion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Nautilas 1/350 Hornet conversion 2: Issue 6.1 of Rajen's List 3: S-Boat article on prinzeugen.com 4: Warship Pictorial #18 - USS New Mexico BB40 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Chris Evenden" Subject: Re: Nautilus Conversion Hi Jim, Nautilus conversions are available direct from Nautilus Models. Check out their website at www.nautilusmodels.com Thanks, Chris Evenden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: PaulShip37 Subject: Re: Aircraft carrier conversions The conversion of various types of ships "into" aircraft carriers is fascinating and well known. (colliers, tankers, passenger liners, paddlewheel steamers, cruisers, battleships,etc). Now for the trick question. How many of you out there are familiar with the aircraft carriers that were converted into successful passenger liners after the war? (Started out as aircraft carriers, became passenger liners....) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Richelieu colours Hi Sandy Your scheme is a modified RN Type A The panel was B20 Light grey G45 Turrets and funnel G20 Horizontal surfaces teak and G10 Contact WEM for accurate paints Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Re: RN Deck Colours Hi Stephan Never be afraid to ask For AP507A decks the answer is all 4 ships Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Great Britain Dear Jim Your misunderstanding is quite understandable and no offence is taken. It is a question that frequently comes up from the former colonies ;-) Great does not actually imply that we think ourselves better than anyone else, that is so obvious that we don't really need to state it. It is actually an explanation of how the land mass that makes up the United Kingdom is split up. We are a group of kingdoms - England, Scotland, Wales, Peckham and Northern Ireland. Some of the parts no longer wish to be too heavily affiliated, whilst others one might prefer could be annexed to one of the low countries. However, as a whole, 'Britain' does not cover all of the parts, so the descriptor, 'Great Britain' allows one to include the farthur flung parts such as Jersey, Guernsey, Anglesea and Canada when taking part in the Olympics or Wimbledon. I don't believe that the term 'United States' actually implies any unity. Hope that clears up any confusion. Best wishes Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: raisingirl Subject: Re: Nautilus CV-6 conversion hi all -- Jim Campbell wrote: >> This is a question for the more knowledgeable. I have heard of the 1/350 conversion by Nautilus for the Hornet to Enterprise. But where do I find this little gem? It seems to be a guarded secret, or I am just showing off my lack of computer skills at hunting. << I'm probably the hundredth person to have replied with this information, but James Corley (who IS Mr. Nautilus Models, anyway) of AAA Hobbies in Marietta, GA sells 'em. James showed me one at the Greenville regional (heck, he kept trying to get me to buy one!) and it's very, very nice. You can contact AAA Hobbies here: http://www.aaahobby.com/ Good luck! jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "rt.rogers" Subject: "Great Britain" Whilst I realise that there has been some "Gentle ribbing" going on over the above term, for the sake of "International understanding," let me try to straighten out a few things:- The term "Great Britain" derives from when most of what is now England - and parts of Wales - was included within the kingdom of "Brittany" and, because it formed the largest part, was termed "Greater Brittany." This was retained as "Great Britain" with the return of Brittany to the French and the subsequent "amalgamation" of England, Scotland, the rest of Wales and ultimately Ulster (Northern Ireland). So, while most of us in "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" - and I speak as a Welshmen - would agree that the "Greatness" is no longer as meaningful in terms of "Empire," I still believe that, for all its faults, this is still the "GREATEST" place to live! Ieuchydd Dda!! Ransford "Taff" Rogers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Re: The Thai "harrier" Carrier Franklyn - As I expected from such a group, Bob Healy and Kev in particular, provided an excellent precis on the ship - far more useful detail than I could. From my own knowledge I can add that the Thai originally wanted to buy her from a U.S. yard but the U.S. yards were not allowed to compete because of concerns over the introduction of such a vessel and capabilities into the South China Sea (personally, I translated vessel and capabilities into "target" considering that she would carry no more than 12 Harriers and would almost never be outside the range of overwhelming numbers of longer ranged land based aircraft.) So I am pretty sure that even bought from a Spanish yard she was built "from the keel up" as a Harrier carrier. I have been told by some who know more about the details, that the Spanish built ships were very closely based on a US amphibious ship with flight deck that had recently been introduced some 20 years ago - but I don't recall any class name and never got around to investigating that suggestion. Robert A. Mosher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Diodor Subject: Re: Great Britain It took this U.S. citizen only one meandering, beautiful tour of southern England a half-dozen years ago to realize the word Great is an understatement. Long live Great Britain. Ted Treadwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Chris Rogers Subject: Other Carriers The Spanish sold the Thai's AV8S Matadors 8 single seat and two 2 seat trainers although I do Know up to last year they were struggling to get service parts for the aircraft and some where U/S Status to keep other aircraft flying Chris Oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? Note that in the original Hebrew, the place where they crossed was known as the "Reed Sea", not Red, most likely a shallow body of water in the north near the Mediterranean. Not that the scene in "The Ten Commandments" wouldn't make an amazing sea diorama, but it ain't what's liable to be read in the Bible. JoeP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject: Re: Eagle Boats I didn't realize until recently that the Eagle boats Franklyn has been talking about were the same ones that also served in WWII. Most of the Eagles didn't stay in the Navy, but at least one, PE 56, served off the coast of Maine. Here are some links telling the story of Eagle 56's sinking and the Navy's reversal of the cause 57 years later: http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01262003/nation_w/23524.asp http://www.maximonline.com/grit/articles/article_4629.html Here are some NavSource and Haze Gray pages about the Eagle class boats and PE 56 specifically. http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/0456.htm http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/04idx.htm http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/patrol/eagles.htm And finally, here is an account of the Purple Heart ceremony held aboard the USS Salem last June: http://enterprise.southofboston.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/June/08-510-news02.txt I attended the ceremony, and there was not a dry eye on board by the time Mr. Scagnelli finished reading the list of those killed in action. Edward F Grune wrote: >> On a related subject, I found a large number of microfilm drawings of Ford Eagle Boats at the US Archives. I made copies of the plans and resizsed them to 1:350 scale. I have made a hull and superstructure master of an Eagle Boat. I sent it off to Jon Warneke of ISW to be critiqued. I have received it back and am working through the punch-list. I hope to have it to ISW for production later this year. The next big effort will be drawing the brass. << Ed, You'll have at least one customer for your model! Ugly or not, these ships and their crews served our country and deserved to be remembered. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael London" Subject: Royal Navy and other Commonwealth Navies >> Under the Washington Treaty, HMAS Australia (battlecruiser) was scrapped because counted against the UK total tonnage, even though she was only ever a ship of the Royal Australian Navy founded in 1911. << This is not strictly correct as the Washington Treaty did not make reference to individual countries within the Empire. The Treaty was between the United States, the British Empire, Japan, France and Italy. The individual Dominions, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, were represented at the Conference, as was India. The Australian representative was Senator George Pearce, Minister for Home and Territories. There is no reference anywhere in the Treaty to UK tonnage, only British Empire which automatically included all Empire warships. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: HMNZS >> When did the New Zealand Division of the Royal Navy become the Royal New Zealand Navy and therefore the ships' prefix become HMNZS? << According to "Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922-1946" the date was Oct 1st 1941, the date on which Leander and Achilles were officially loaned/transferred. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "testolog" Subject: Question for Group Hi SMMLies-- OK, this is not exactly Blue Water Navy stuff but here goes: I want to build a live steam radio controlled sternwheel paddleboat to run on my farm pond. I want to build one that reflects the typical 1850-1900 shallow draft riverboats that provided transport and supplies up and down the American West Coast inland delta and rivers, also called Inland Steamers sometimes -- they were smaller, lighter and shallower draft than the big steamers that coursed the Great Lakes and Mississippi/Ohio Rivers, and usually sternwheel for maneuverability. I have three books on it already to research from. There are kits out there and I already have one in 1:80 scale, a Constructo but it's on the small side at 26" and I'll probably go static model with that one. So-- there seems to be lots of sources for Navy and merchant marine plans. Do any of you on this marvelous mail list know of anyplace I can find plans for these older paddlewheeler steamboats? Thanks to all -- Tom Detweiler in Grass Valley CA (Gold Rush country) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: United Britain?? HI All, Couldn't resist picking up on this one..........John Rule wrote: >> The term United Kingdom also refers to the same collection of nations << The term Great Britain refers to England, Scotland and Wales. The term United Kingdom refers to England, Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland ...still what can you expect from a Scots-Cannuck? Right John? Take care and God Bless! Regards Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "John Rule" Subject: "Other" carriers, et al >> O. K., William Shuey, I can see a use for a floating helicopter facility, but why do they need the highly sophisticated Harriers? << I guess to bomb and shoot up people they don't like, just like the other users of military hardware. John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Peter Russell" Subject: USS Holland AS-3 I would like to know what the USS Holland AS-3 is? Underneath it says 22 May 1943. I have a 2 A3 sheet plans. No idea who drew them. Anyone have any ideas? Peter Russell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Hornet Conversion >> This is a question for the more knowledgeable. I have heard of the 1/350 conversion by Nautilus for the Hornet to Enterprise. But where do I find this little gem? It seems to be a guarded secret, or I am just showing off my lack of computer skills at hunting. << He hides under his pseudonym James Corley See: http://www.nautilusmodels.com/ Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SANDLE Hobbies Subject: Re: Nautilas 1/350 Hornet conversion >> This is a question for the more knowledgeable. I have heard of the 1/350 conversion by Nautilus for the Hornet to Enterprise. But where do I find this little gem? It seems to be a guarded secret, or I am just showing off my lack of computer skills at hunting. << Hi Jim, SANDLE Hobbies carries Nautilus products. You'll find them in the Resin Details section of the SANDLE Hobbies website (http://sandlehobbies.com). Cheers Lorna Jenkins SANDLE Hobbies http://sandlehobbies.com Where Modelling Matters ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: David Wells Subject: Issue 6.1 of Rajen's List Fellow SMMLlies: At long last, Joe Poutre and I have issued version 6.1 of the "List of Ship Kits", AKA Rajen's List. For those who are unfamiliar, this is our ongoing attempt to list and review every plastic and resin ship kit ever made. The idea is to givethe ship modeler some idea of what is in the box before he/she buys it. This list is available on the web at: http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html Since the list is now up to 850 KB, you may find it easiest to save a copy to your own computer. As always, Rajen's List is free of charge, and free of advertising. It works on the honor system. If you like and use the Rajen's List, we ask you to contribute to the List. We don't want your money, we want your reviews! All you have to do is build a model ship, and tell us about it. Send your new reviews to Joe Poutre at joseph.poutre@verizon.net. Your review doesn't have to be long, in fact, we prefer them to be short. A few lines will do. You'll find that many well known SMMLlies have already contributed reviews. Enjoy the new version. "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ConnellyTG Subject: S-Boat article on prinzeugen.com Hello All, www.prinzeugen.com is proud to announce a new article on that site. It has to do with the S-Boats that were used by the Spanish Navy from 1938 to 1977. The article has several photos of interest. Garth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SteveWiper Subject: Warship Pictorial #18 - USS New Mexico BB40 Just received WP #18 from my printer today and will start shipping out to distributors by tomorrow, so the books will get to the hobby shops and mail order companies in the next one to two weeks. For those attending the IPMS National Convention in Oklahoma City this 4th of July weekend, there will be a supply available at that show. Warship Pictorial #18 - USS New Mexico BB40 Color with color photos of the Battleship New Mexico. 70 pages B&W, 2 pages Color. 95 B&W Photos. Centerspread color plan and profile illustration of BB40 in Ms. 12 modified camo. 3 B&W illustrations, and 17 sets of line drawings of the ship in 1936 & '44, weapons, boats, etc. Chronological history and extensive captions. Price $15.95 Thanks, Steve @ www.classicwarships.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume