Subject: SMML VOL 2224 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:00:16 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Holland AS-3 2: Depth charge colors 3: Yellowing Hulls 4: Trouble Applying washes 5: Re: Question for Group 6: Re: RN Deck colours...May'41, Also thinning WEM paints 7: Re: USS Holland AS-3 8: Heaven and Hell 9: Great Britain - Yet More Confusion 10: Re: Question for Group 11: Re: USS Holland AS-3 12: Re: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? 13: Re: Question for Group 14: Re: Interwar Cargo Ships 15: Soviet Scoop Pair Radar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: IPMS/USA Nationals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Think Tank back on line ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: USS Holland AS-3 >> I would like to know what the USS Holland AS-3 is? Underneath it says 22 May 1943. I have a 2 A3 sheet plans. No idea who drew them. Anyone have any ideas? << A sub tender http://www.mississippi.net/~comcents/tendertale.com/tenders/103/103.html Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Depth charge colors What color would USN depth charges in stern and K-gun racks be painted in the POA, ca. February 1944? Thanks, Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Rob and Rose Brown Subject: Yellowing Hulls Hi Doug: I've used all sorts of products for matt finish, both enamel and acrylic, and the only model that ever yellowed was left in the sunshine at a hobby show for a couple of hours. Make sure your models aren't in sunlight. As far as taking the yellowed coat off, try a really thin blue wash over the yellow instead. Blue is the opposite of yellow in colour photography and it should tend to cancel out the yellow effect. Just add a tiny drop of blue to your matt finish of choice, and experiment on a small piece of your model first. Cheers Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Martin Lamb" Subject: Trouble Applying washes Dear SMMLers, I am seeking advice regarding applying a wash to a model having finished the base coat. When I apply the wash it either runs everywhere or comes off when I try to clean up any excess. Should I apply a gloss coat after the base coat but before applying the wash? Any help would be appreciated. Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "dennis irwin" Subject: Re: Question for Group Hello, I found a site that has history of the Columbia River and it has a nice picture of a sternwheeler steam boat in service on the river. Below is the link. http://www.clatsop.com/RiverTour/history.html The article mentions two steam boats. The first steam boat to operate on the river was the Beaver of 1840 and the first seam boat built on the Columbia was named the the Columbia and was built in 1856. It might be a good idea to contact the Smithsonian Institution and ask if they have plans. You could also ask about the type in general because they may have other plans. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Re: RN Deck colours...May'41, Also thinning WEM paints Thanks for the info. However I'm a little confused. I've come across an aerial photograph supposedly taken of KGV on her way to New Foundland after the Bismarck action. The decking timbers appear clearly visible, some darker than others. Could it be this shot is from another time in her career. The tops of both main and secondary armament appear to be a dark colour. Does this give any clue? What references are available for the ships in question during May'41. I bought some WEM paints. I haven't used them yet. Supposedly they are enamel. What thinning medium can be used with these. The paint doesn't seem to be like humbrol, so is Humbrol enamel thinner suitable? Thanks in anticipation. Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: PaulShip37 Subject: Re: USS Holland AS-3 As you will soon hear from a number of list members, the Holland was a submarine tender built prewar. Is there enough information on those plans to build a model from them? I'd love to see a copy of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Heaven and Hell Your discussion about "Great Britain" reminded me of a story this Italian friend told me. Heaven is where: -All the policemen are English ( no guns for bobbies) -All the cars are German -All the cooks are French -All the lovers are Italian and it's all run by the Swiss Hell is where: -All the policemen are German -All the cars are French -All the cooks are English -All the lovers are Swiss and it's all run by the Italians I don't know about the Swiss being poor lovers, but I think it has something to do with lack of sponteneity / a businesslike approach to the job I guess. One would have thought that all the mountain air and gluvine would be very positive for the libido. I think it must be an old joke because the recent peugeot and renault cars are pretty nice. I think it must refer to those funny lookin' old things they had back in the fifties and sixties. If you ever had a Fiat or Alfa you'd probably say the worst cars were Italian. FIAT stands for "Fix It Again Toni". If you really want to know which race has contributed the most to the world, out of all proportion to it's size, check out this website http://hipcat.hungary.org/users/hipcat/famous.htm Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Clive Lawford" Subject: Great Britain - Yet More Confusion Yes, there is a lot of confusion over the meaning of Great Britain and the United Kingdom, but then you have the flag!!! A lot of people out side the UK and Ireland believe the Union Jack is the England Flag. The Union Jack which was previously known as the Union Flag, is in fact a combination of the following flags: the St. George's Cross (England), the St. Andrew's Cross (Scotland) and the St. Patrick's Cross (Ireland). The Welsh flag (the Welsh Dragon) is not incorporated into the Union Flag, because Wales had already been united to England when the first version of the Union Flag was designed in 1606. There is a very good page here which no doubt explains it better that I http://www.goldenjubilee.info/StaticPage.jsp?StaticPageId=78 The Union Jack also appears on a number of other national and state flags of countries which had some connection to the British Empire. Regards, Clive. Model 44ft Lifeboats (Waveney Class) http://home.online.no/~lawford/xrl/model-lifeboats-photos.htm 44ft Motor Lifeboats (Waveney Class) http://home.online.no/~lawford/xrl/xrl.htm Ramsgate Lifeboat http://home.online.no/~lawford/rl/rl.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: Question for Group >> OK, this is not exactly Blue Water Navy stuff but here goes: I want to build a live steam radio controlled sternwheel paddleboat to run on my farm pond. I want to build one that reflects the typical 1850-1900 shallow draft riverboats that provided transport and supplies up and down the American West Coast inland delta and rivers, also called Inland Steamers sometimes -- they were smaller, lighter and shallower draft than the big steamers that coursed the Great Lakes and Mississippi/Ohio Rivers, and usually sternwheel for maneuverability. I have three books on it already to research from. There are kits out there and I already have one in 1:80 scale, a Constructo but it's on the small side at 26" and I'll probably go static model with that one. So-- there seems to be lots of sources for Navy and merchant marine plans. Do any of you on this marvelous mail list know of anyplace I can find plans for these older paddlewheeler steamboats? << Hi, Tom! I know of several folks who offer steamboat plans. Hartmann Fiberglas offers a Delta Queen hull for R/C, and I believe it comes with superstructure drawings for the boat. John Fryant offers a number of plans. I believe his company is "Paddlewheels and Props". A Lawrence Bates, of Louisville, offers a number of steamboat plans, including the Belle of Louisville. Although the DQ and Belle are 20th Century boats, John and Alan have plans of 19th Century boats, as well. If you need contact info, I can probably track down all three. Randy (brown water modeler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Kevin Woodruff Subject: Re: USS Holland AS-3 The USS Holland was a submarine tender (AS-3) A ship's history is at: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/3603.htm Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Kevin Woodruff Subject: Re: Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? Well as a theological seminary professor who teaches the book of Exodus, I can assure you that the term "Reed Sea" (Hebrew-"Yam Suph") covers the area of what is today called the Red Sea. It covers both the Gulf of Sinai (Exodus 13:18)as well as the Gulf of Aqaba (Exodus 23:31; Numbers 14:25; and 1 Kings 9:26) Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Clem Jensen Subject: Re: Question for Group Regarding riverboats. I suggest you contact Joe Brown. He has plans etc for towboats, not exactly what you are looking for but he might give you some direction. His web site is http://www.dragg.net/jbrown/ Clem Jensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Interwar Cargo Ships There were a number of shipbuilding publications from the interwar period that included ship plans. If you're near a good library, hit their catalogue and search under such subjects as "shipbuilding", "shipbuilders", "merchant ships", etc. One of the best is "Shipbuilding Cyclopedia", published in the US about 1920. It includes loads of plans, many of which were of standard-type ships and WW1 emergency ships, and lots of these were still soldiering on in WW2; there are cargo ships, tankers, passenger ships, Great Lakers, and many more. I first ran across this at the California State Library Reference Section, and later acquired my own copy. Many of the plans that Dan Jones ran in PSM were from copies I sent him from this book. If you go looking for your own copy, expect to pay a pretty hefty chunk of change. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels (Where we're STILL waiting for restoration of phone service!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "dengar" Subject: Soviet Scoop Pair Radar Hi Guys, Can anyone help me with details, drawings or pics of this fire control radar? As carried by the Kynda Class cruisers. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: hwimmer Subject: IPMS/USA Nationals Greetings all: The IPMS/USA National Convention will be held next week in Oklahoma City, OK. Will any SMML mates be there? I will be there at my usual post with Victory Models. I look forward to seeing some of you there. John Collins Franklin, TN, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Think Tank back on line I know there are some tankies lurking among the naval modelling types here and some of you were also subscribers to the similar but military vehicle-based Think Tank, which I have been running for a couple of years. In case you were wondering why the posts suddenly ceased last August, I can report that it was due to a 'simple' PC upgrade which finally evolved into me building a new one from scratch last week. Unfortunately, although I was still able to view incoming messages sent to the forum's address, my ISP unilaterally decided to delete everything that was more than six months old and so any messages sent to it between 12th August and 29th December 2002 disappeared before I realised what was happening, by which time it was too late. Hence even though I may have told you that your posts were safe, that is no longer the case if they were sent between those dates. Hopefully you are all so well-organised that you can locate the items in your 'Sent items' boxes and resend them. Everything else is still here so if you did post in that period and the content is still relevant, please send it again. At least all the downtime has given me the opportunity to do some more toy tank building and I even finished something this year. Note that this included any messages notifying me of changes of email address - I had dozens of delivery failures on the update message I sent out to the listmembers yesterday so if you didn't get it, let me know your new address. If I had an old one for you, please say so and what it was so that I can remove it. Address as before is think.tank@tesco.net - to subscribe (you may notice the striking and not entirely coincidental similarity to SMML procedures), send a message to this address with 'Subscribe' in the 'Subject' field. One minor change to the house rules is that you now need to provide your real name, so that I am not plagued with 235 'Saddam Husseins' and the like and I can find you more easily in the address book when you do change address. 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