Subject: SMML VOL 2230 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:54:09 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: A frustrated modeler! 2: Re: Oldest ship still in service 3: Re: WW 1 Subchasers 4: Re: Oldest ship still in service 5: Re: Lady Lex and Saratoga 1/700 6: Re: Subchasers 7: Walrus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: A frustrated modeler! >> I have been doing models for a lost 20 year and as of late I have been very frustrated and overly hastate to start any new projects. I mainly I fear that any thing that I start I am going to mess up on which has happen more than I would like to say. Has anybody else ever thought of just throwing it all in, if so how does one over come it or does one grow out of doing models (which really suck big time, sorry) Thanks ;-{ << Go forth to thine local hobby store, purchase thee an inexpensive ship model, and put it together. No PE, no research, no upgrading, just follow the directions until you're done. Don't fill gaps, clean up only the obvious flash, and don't worry about the colors - if you don't have the exact match, use whatever you have that's close. Or not even! Paint that ship bright green or aluminum or brown. Place said completed model on thine shelf/mantle/counter/table, admire, and realize that this hobby is only as hard as you make it, and that it is fun! Joe Poutre, fellow sufferer of creeping can't-ism ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Oldest ship still in service >> Can anyone tell me which the oldest ship is that still is in use not as a museum, but for transportation. The best which I can offer is the Liemba, which was built in 1914 as the Graf Goetzen and which still serves as a combined passenger and cargo ship on the lake Tanganjika. I saw a documentary on TV some time ago and found it very interesting that such an old ship was still in normal use. Any other ideas of older ships? << If you don't mind that the ship is used as both museum and working ship, the paddlesteamer Skibladner is over 140 years old. Built 1856 in Motala, Sweden. Transported to Lake Mjosa, Norway in pieces and assembled there. Oldest paddlesteamer in operation (summer only) in the world. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: WW 1 Subchasers To: Phil Lord Subject: Bibliography for the SC-1 Class of warship. Yup, been there, done that. Contact me off-post at fkbrown90@aol.com for more scuttlebut. To: Craig Bennett Subject: Reference to SC60 Thanks for the reference to U.S. WARSHIPS OF WW 1. I do not have the book, but before I request it from Interlibrary Loan, can you please tell me if it gives any details, such as the coordinates of the disaster site. the results of the Court Martial, etc.? Can you please advise the name of the publisher? Rather than clutter up SMML, please contact me off-post at fkbrown90@aol.com as I don't want get the book if the reference is only a line item entry. That's All, Folks!!!!! Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Oldest ship still in service >> Can anyone tell me which the oldest ship is that still is in use not as a museum, but for transportation. The best which I can offer is the Liemba, which was built in 1914 as the Graf Goetzen and which still serves as a combined passenger and cargo ship on the lake Tanganjika. I saw a documentary on TV some time ago and found it very interesting that such an old ship was still in normal use. Any other ideas of older ships? << I noticed no one picked up on this thread, I thought it was interesting, so here's my late contribution. RMS SEGWUN, passenger ship in Ontario, Canada. Built 1887 and still in service. http://www.segwun.com/inside/fleet.html Cheers, Darren Scannell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "RUSSELL SMITH" Subject: Re: Lady Lex and Saratoga 1/700 Andrew, If they are making a model of the Lexington with 5" guns it will be just as wrong or worse as the older models were. The Lexington had 1.1"quads at the time of her sinking. She never was fitted with 5" guns. The Saratoga was fitted with them as she survived the war only to be sunk by us at Bimmi Atoll. Regards; Russ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Subchasers Franklyn, Has anybody mentioned "The Splinter Fleet", by Ray Millholland, 1936, as a subchaser reference book? It is subtitled The Splinter Fleet of the Otranto Barrage, referring to the WWI barrier of ships across the Adriatic to defend against Austrian and German submarines. The 307 page book has a dozen or so on-board and portrait-type photos of subchasers, and is a nice little chatty narrative by the Chief Engineer of one of them which spent lots of time at sea in the Med. Not an essential reference, but fun if you are interested in the class of vessel. And, Franklyn, you've certainly got a bunch of us paying more attention to 110' subchasers than proper vessels like Flower class corvettes. Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: roger.antrobus Subject: Walrus Message for George Peat George, Thanks for the info on the Walrus. Do you have any pictures of your Rodney on the web that I could see?? 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