Subject: SMML VOL 2232 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 05:50:28 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: TEXACO OKLAHOMA 2: Re: YAMATO 3: Re: a frustrated modeler 4: Yamato Dock yard 5: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN SUBMARINES 6: Re: Sub chaser bibliography 7: Re: Russian warship colours 8: Russian Pauk Type 1241P FAS Plans 9: Deck planking in 1/350 - yes or no? 10: Re: Oldest ship 11: Nautical Research Journal 12: Lex and Sara 13: Trident Hobbies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jerry Slagle" Subject: TEXACO OKLAHOMA I was wondering if anyone had any resources on the TEXACO OKLAHOMA, a tanker which went down off Cape Hatteras in the early 70's? I've checked with Bethlehem Steel and Texaco, but was unsuccessful in getting any specific information about her. She was built in 1956 or thereabouts. Does anyone have any information about a kit that would be appropriate for her, conversion or otherwise? Thanks for the assistance, Jerry Slagle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: YAMATO YAMATO was in Kure Grey. Cheers, John Snyder The Paint Guy White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: Re: a frustrated modeler Well, I do not know about the rest of you but this thread has really been good for me. I too lost the will to do modeling because of my insane desire to make it perfect the way many of you post yours in the gallery. I also do wingy things and armor and have reached the same problem with them. It is about time I got back to the basic and the thrill as a child putting as many models together as I could spend my allowance on (including a few advance loans from my parents). There were not perfect but they were my Navy and my Air Force. However, to the rest of you that do take on that great challenge of getting as close to the perfect model as possible I will still stand in awe of your work and recognize you for the true artist that you are. . . . Realizing I have several hundred kits . . . I am still heading to the hobby shop . . . I mean this is a special occasion. . . . ya know a break through for me. . . right? Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: Yamato Dock yard http://highcool.ca/ To The Person that is looking for Japans battleships and other information. Note this has been a very good web sigth for information on those ships as well as others, It may help ya in looking up information on that class of ships, It has help me well as well. I also have my own RC model of the Yamato that if fully detailed. with a lot of extra's (NOTE__ ON my DDG note I ment to say I am not sure on anything on that model that is why I am asking for helpI may pick it up for doing it as a rc but could use some information in advance. thanks agin) Have a nice weeken to everbody!!! Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Phil Lord" Subject: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN SUBMARINES Hello Morris: Facts on File is a reference book publishing house, with products generally aimed at the library market. The quality of their work is usually very high, BUT somewhat generic since their materials are intended for the student or lay person. That's not bad if you are trying to find a quick definition of the "Christmas Tree" or a short paragraph on a sub disaster, etc.but it's not the sort of detailed coverage you'll find in a Norman Friedman book on subs and their development either. Buying it depends on what level of information you want from the book. Please note--I have not seen this particular book, but I have used other handbooks from Facts on File covering disasters, politics and history, and more, and their works are generally very well done, especially if you are a reference librarian looking for quick information! There is a publisher description of the book on their website at-- http://factsonfile.com/ Just search on the term "submarine" to find it. They cite three positive reviews there and I pasted the text of one below. Hope this helps in making a determination. You are welcome to contact me if you wish at lordp@hclibrary.org Phil Lord >> Booklist, June 1, 2003 p1826(2) Encyclopedia of American Submarines. (Book Review)_(book review) By Wilbur Cross and George W. Feise Jr. 2002. 304p. appendixes. bibliog. glossary. illus. index. Facts On File, $65 (0-8160-4460-0). 359.9 This A-Z work brings together the technical and human side of dangerous and sometimes deadly undersea missions and explorations. Most of the more than 300 entries provide information on individual submarines, such as the H. L. Hunley, a Confederate submarine and the first to sink a ship in wartime in 1864, and the Tang, a World War 11 submarine that sank itself with its own torpedo, all the way up to the Greeneville, the submarine that collided with a Japanese vessel off the coast of Hawaii in 2001, killing several Japanese crew members. Biographical information about significant individuals ranges from David Bushnell, who in 1776 created the first operational submarine, to Hyman George Rickover, the "father" of the navy's, nuclear program. Other entries cover submarine weaponry like Trident and Polaris missiles, terms such as Subsafe and Wolf pack, and general topics such as Logistics, Lost boats, and World War I. The heart of the work is the attention paid to individual submarines and their missions, failures, and successes. For security reasons, less detail is provided regarding the missions of submarines currently in use. A selected bibliography has material published from the World War II era to the present, which is appropriate for the historical coverage the authors strived to achieve. Other back matter includes a chronology of significant events, Navy submarines listed by commission date, a list of submarine museums in the U.S., a listing of related Web sites, definitions of acronyms, and a glossary. This very accessible work provides an interesting and informative overview and is recommended for most libraries. << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Sub chaser bibliography To: Craig Bennet, et al, It is indeed gratifying to hear from, and to help, people interested in the 110 Ft. wooden hulled sub chasers of WW 1. In response to requests for reference material, I can help to prevent you from "reinventing the wheel" by passing on an unannotated bibliography I have assembled. PUBLISHED TEXT BOOKS (exclusively about chasers) Chambers, Hilary C. United States Submarine Chasers. New York, New York: The Knickerbocker Press 1920 Millholland, Ray The Splinter Fleet Of The Otranto Barrage. New York, New York: Bobbs-Merrill Company 1936 Moffat, Alexander W. Maverick Navy. Middletown, Connecticut: Wesleyan University Press 1976 Nutting, Williiam W. The Cinderellas Of The Fleet. Jersey City, New Jersey: The Standard Motor Construction Company 1920 110 Foot U.S. Submarine Chaser. Instructions, Care And Operation Of Machinery Plant. Jersey City, New Jersey: The Standard Motor Construction Company 1917 UNPUBLISHED MANUSCRIPT Cobb, Charles K. Experiences Of Charles K. Cobb Jr. In The World War. Unpublished. For excerpts see "The American Neptune" magazine, Volume 60, Number 2, Page 177 2000 PUBLISHED TEXT BOOKS (containing information about chasers and operations) Friedman, Norman U.S. Small Combatants. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Press 1987 Halpern, Paul G. The Naval War In The Mediterranean, 1914--1918. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Press 1987 Halpern, Paul G. A Naval History Of World War I. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Press 1994 Messimer, D.W. Find And Destroy. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Press 2001 Sims, William S. The Victory At Sea. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Press 1984 Dictionary Of American Fighting Ships, Volume VI. Washington, DC: Naval History Division, Department Of The Navy 1976 U.S. NAVY REPORTS Clephane, Lewis History Of The Submarine Chasers In The World War. Washington, DC: Navy Department, Office of Naval Records And Library, Historical Section. 1920 McBride, L.B. War History, Submarine Chasers. Washington, DC: Navy Department, Bureau Of Construction And Repair, Special Collection 1920 ARTICLES IN USNI PROCEEDINGS Davidonis, A.C. American Naval Mission In The Adriatic. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings January, 1945 Doughty, L. Mistaken Attacks In The World War. Annapolis. Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings December 1934 Furer, J.A. The 119 Foot Submarine Chasers And Eagle Boats. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings May, 1919 Gosnell, H.A. World War Losses Of The United States Navy. Annapolis, Maryland: May, 1937 Raguet, Edward C. United States Submarine Chasers At Gibraltar, November, 1918. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings December 1936 Sweetman, J. Aboard Subchaser 206. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings September 1976 Miscellaneous Professional Notes; To Build 345 Patrol Boats For The Navy. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings June 1917 Lessons Of The War. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings September 1917 Submarine Chasers Unsatisfactory. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings October 1917 Proceeding Construction. Annapolis, Maryland: United States Naval Institute Proceedings October 1917 OTHERS Loomis A.F. Sub Chasers Of The Last World War. Magazine "Yachting", October 1941 Sales Of Vessels By The Navy At Minimum Prices And On Deferred Payment Basis. Washington, DC: Navy Department, Bureau Of Supplies And Accounts 1921 In addition, I have copies of several articles which have appeared in various unrefereed and unreliable journals and magazines over the years. They contain too many errors and contradictions, and too few credible source references for me to recommend them. I have some the original books etc., or copies of pertinent pages where the procuring of originals was not practicable. I will forever be indebted to the generosity of people such as (alphabetically) Art Herrick, John Hudock, Mike Leonard, James Paquill, Dan Treadwell, Ted Treadwell, etc. for their absolutely unselfish contributions to this list. And the list is still growing. It is my pleasure to share it with others, in the same spirit of collegiality with which it was generated. I welcome future contributions as they may be discovered by enthusiasts willing to share them with us. I will respond to specific inquiries. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Russian warship colours John, as you might already be aware there isn't a single or even a multiple source dealing specifically with a painting schemes of RIN warship's. What can be found are numerous photographs, an occasional piece of written reference and a lot of non referenced information which might, or might not, be accurate. Since you are mostly interested in green and brown as overall or hull colours let me jump straight to the heart of the matter: the apparent green/brown confusion starts and ends with the so called "Port Arthur scheme". I call it "apparent" because IMPO there is no confussion at all ! At least as far as the early "Port Arthur scheme" is concerned. All Russian sources consistently call either "olive green" or "olive gray" and it is only McCully's single report which has it as "dark gray or cinnamon color". I have personnaly always treated McCully's report as unreliable and when in the !st volume on his book about "Tsesarevich" R.M. Mielnikov included a page from mischman Shishko's diary (page 45) with the basic pigments necessary for the Port Arthur's "warpaint" scheme the whole topic was settled once and for all (at last as far as I am concerned). The "first" Port Arthur colour was a mixture of 4 parts olive, 2 parts ochre and one part soot (black). What exact shade of olive or ochre was used I can't really say but I have no doubt that the overall effect was that of dark olive green colour. Where did the idea of brown hulls come from I have no idea but might be the ambiguity of McCully's report with its "...dark gray or cinnamon color...". Does he mean that some ships were painted dark gray and some cinnamon or does he mean dark gray = cinnamon??? Since cinnamon is of brown colour it become videly assumed that McCully did mean exactly that but it is worth pointing out that he does not use word "brown" anywhere in his report. Maybe where he come from cinnamon was dark gray??? :-) The "second" Port Arthur scheme is much more confusing... In some ships the hulls are left in the original dark olive green colour but superstructures were painted with colour variously described as "khaki" or "sand brown" or "sand/gray/brown". It remains unclear as to which ships were re-painted in this way and what were the pigments used to achieve this particular shade. If I were to speculate I would say that the colour used to paint superstructures used the same ingredients as the previous "warpaint": olive green, ochre amd soot but this time with 4parts ochre, 2 parts olive and one part soot. Just a speculation of course.... Best wishes Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "dengar" Subject: Russian Pauk Type 1241P FAS Plans I have a set of plans that I have downloaded but they are in an ACDSeeRAR format. Does anyone have the software that can open these? Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chris" Subject: Deck planking in 1/350 - yes or no? Hi All, I am looking at my 1/350 Tamiya Missouri (soon to be Iowa!!). I was toying with the idea of replacing the deck with Evergreen railroad siding sheet to minimize the joins and correct the misplaced superstructure. I then got to thinking maybe it would be easier to just sand the planking off. This includes of course the other deck levels as well as the main deck. My thinking is that in 1/350 the planking wouldn't be visible anyway - but then, is it good to leave it there as a representation anyway? Therefore what are your opinions on planking in 1/350? Yes or no? Thanks, Chris Evenden Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Hans Christensen" Subject: Re: Oldest ship >> If you don't mind that the ship is used as both museum and working ship, the paddlesteamer Skibladner is over 140 years old. Built 1856 in Motala, Sweden. Transported to Lake Mjosa, Norway in pieces and assembled there. Oldest paddlesteamer in operation (summer only) in the world. << I will mention the danish build ship Hjejlen built in 1861, which should be the oldest ship with original length and engine, still going strong on its original route. http://www.silkeborg.com/dansk/beskrivelser/attraktioner/hjejlen/Hjejlen.html Hans Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: BSteinIPMS Subject: Nautical Research Journal >> The Nautical Research Guild's Nautical Research Journal Fall issue, due out in mid-August, will contain an article about these vessels (subchasers). My natural restraint, shyness, and overwhelming modesty prevent me from mentioning the author's name. << Franklyn: I also hear that a well-illustrated Shop Note article on scratch-building (lathing out) an iron Stoddart steering wheel for a fishing schooner, circa 1877, will also be included in the Fall issue of the Nautical Research Journal. The author's name escapes me, but I'm told he's devilishly handsome.... Bob Steinbrunn Stillwater, MN Nautical Research Guild ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "RUSSELL SMITH" Subject: Lex and Sara Bikini is right Nat. Thats what I meant but I as usual I was thinking or rather trying to think of too many things at once. Andrew, I don't have the url anymore are you talking about the 5" 25 cal on the sponsons? My Lexington model dates from 1974 so I too hope the new one coming is much better. Although at that time I was very happy to get a model of her. Regards; Russ Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Rob and Rose Brown Subject: Trident Hobbies I am having trouble contacting Mr. Decker at Trident Hobbies about an order. Has anyone out there had any problems with Trident Hobbies? 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