Subject: SMML VOL 2236 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:13:23 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMCS Quebec Info needed 2: Re: S/C pictures 3: Re: Oldest ship 4: Re: Winmac tanker 5: Deck coverings 6: B-17F-110 7: Fujimi 1/700 USN Tico Kits 8: Re: WENMAC Model Tanker 9: Re: RN Post War deck colours and anti slip treads 10: USS Essex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: RN Camouflage Vol 4 by Alan Raven 2: RN Camo IV now in stock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: rolie muise Subject: HMCS Quebec Info needed I need help identifying two structures on HMCS Quebec. On the foc'sle deck,aft of the hanger but just above the bows of the 27' whalers below the foc'sle deck is a round,raised platform. One port and one stbd. What were they for and what was on top of them? Also foward of these platforms are what appear to be 40mm single Bofors? Is that what they were? Thanks for any help. rolie in Cape Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: S/C pictures To: Roy Millen Waddayameen IF there is an interest? Sheesh!!! I don't expect to be down your way, but thanks for the invitation. I agree that you should not ship the book you describe. I can just picture it now (no pun intended), as there was one in the family shortly after WW 1, and I can still recall, as a little kid, ruining the pictures which featured enemy (German) aircraft etc. At that time there was still a lot of residual hatred and mistrust of the "Hun" amongst American adults, and I had picked up on it. Even as I mention this, I am curious as to whether the remnants of the book are still out in my barn. If you saw my barn you would know what I am saying. That's where the drawings and the unfinished hull of my 1:48 model of a chaser languished for some 65 years until I resurrected and finished it. I wanted to make sure the paint was dry. Be that as it may (or may not), I suggest that if you cannot find any SMML people in your area who would be kind enough to scan the Chaser photos for you, could you please make Xerox copies of the several Chaser pictures and send them via the U.S. Mail. Recompense of expenses is assured (to me that should be assumed, yet some of the people for whom I have generated histories of certain Chasers on which they had a serving relative haven't even said "Thanks", C'est le vie ). It will be appreciated if any SMML people in the Philadelphia are will contact Roy Millen about scanning. I will personally see to it that you get a check mark in the "Good Guy" column of St. Peter's Security Checklist Book. Now that's an offer you can't refuse!! Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Oldest ship Perhaps a member could clarify what has been termed "the oldest ship still in commission". When I visited the Constitution at Boston some years ago I was told that she fitted that description. This puzzled me as I know that HMS Victory at Portsmouth was built in 1765 long before "Old Ironsides" was laid down. Perhaps the truth lies in "still in commission". Were either of these old warriors ever decommissioned, if only for a brief period? If so when? Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ken.p.lemaster Subject: Re: Winmac tanker The Winmac tanker is the same one as the Texaco tanker from the late 1950's early 60's. It has different markings, but from photos, it looks the same as the Texaco tanker that was a gas premium for the Texaco stations ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Deck coverings Hi Ed JKNs started the war with a material called Wundergrip (manufactured by Dunlop). This was coloured to look like 507A on the weather decks. Unlike Semtex it was resistant to oil but ironically slippery when wet. This lead to it being replaced around the gun decks firstly by cocunut matting and then Semtex which was of course also grey coloured. Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Doug Marrel Subject: B-17F-110 Aynone have a suggestion on the closest version of a B-17 F 110 series in any scale? My uncle was shot down over Schweinfurt on "Black Thursday" and I was thinking about building one if I can get close to that version. Will be back to the list later if I can find out what version B-24 another uncle was wounded over Ploesti on. Third uncle shot down unit/aircraft unknown, need more data on him, hope he's a fighter pilot, too many bombers :). Thank God the fourth uncle was a ground pounder captured on the Bataan Death March, otherwise the list of A/C would be too long. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: WILLIAM ORETO Subject: Fujimi 1/700 USN Tico Kits Can anybody tell me which of the Fujimi 1/700 USN Tico cruiser kits depicts a late 90s fits with the new radar domes fore and aft. I purchased the Cowpens kit and was disappointed the kit does not have the latest domes, though the box art shows them. What's strange is their Perry Class Vandegrift frigate is a late 90s fit with all the goodies. They are excellent kits and are of better quality than Skywave or DML but they are pricey- at least here in the States. Any help would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks, Bill Oreto ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: WENMAC Model Tanker >> In my wanderings around town I occasionaly frequent second hand shops and about two weeks ago I came across a model of a tanker that was about two feet in length fully assembled in black, red, white, green plastic with some chrome plated fittings here and there about the deck. I was unable to discern the scale of the model but it was sitting on top of the original box which said it was a WENMAC kit and the price was no where near my interest range. Could any of you all here in SMML shed some light on this kit? I had always thought that WENMAC made gasoline powered flying model airplanes so this kit was a bit of a surprise. It sounds like you found a Texaco North Dakota toy tanker, made around 1960 by Wen-Mac. It's about 2' long, red and black hull. This was loosely based on the T2 by the same name, and was sold through local Texaco stations in the U.S. for $3.98 (when you bought 8 gallons of gas). They said "Texaco" in white letters on the side. This toy goes for anywhere from $35 to over $400 (last I checked) on eBay. Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: M Brown Subject: Re: RN Post War deck colours and anti slip treads The RN’s anti slip paint from the late 50s to 1978 was BS4800 14C39. This colour did not have a name and was a GLOSS green paint. Yes gloss, according to those that served then it was OK in the dry but not exactly anti slip when wet. Hence the anti slip treads & welded strips. The ships also had the self adhesive green tread patches which were 24” x 6”. A slightly greener/yellower colour than the deck colour. How do I know? I have one. I also have some dockyard plans that state the deck colours and placement of “green tread” on the decks. Mind you the guy I got mine from was in the dockyard and said they didn’t follow the plans “just spread them wherever we felt like it, a bit like throwing confetti”. Just to be different there are also colour photos and plans showing the forecastle of ships in the 50s & 60s as red lead. I’ve got one showing a County with green decks & a red forecastle. One guy I spoke to who was a Number One on a Battle in Singapore in the 60s said his ship had all red lead decks. The Captain D had half the flotilla as green decked and those under the half leader as red lead decked. The red decked ships had red boats & the green decked had sky blue boats. He had no idea why. You didn’t ask Captain D questions about such things. WGD Blundell wrote a book whilst serving in Singapore circa 1967 with the assistance of the Navy’s PR department. His drawings & photo comments show many ships as red lead decked. I assume as he was there and taking some of the photos, he would know. The Kiwis also used the green decks and even some Australian ships which were in Singapore. They used to be up there for several months at a time and operated with the Brits & Kiwis. The story goes that they painted their decks green for two reasons. First, free paint from the Poms. Second and more likely, they used to exercise with the Yanks who had grey decks. Fly boys being very knowledgeable about ships had a simple attitude to friend & foe. Why worry what they look like. Green decks mean friend, grey decks mean foe. Attack as appropriate! If you want to see a relatively current colour photo of a ship with green decks (other than Cavalier who is now that colour) have a look for the Bangladesh Navy’s old Leopard Class frigate, they still had green decks in 2001. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: USS Essex I've got a simple question , which I'm sure I could get the answer to easily enough , but I'll try here first! I see where the names of the Essex class carriers came from , battles etc, but where did the name ESSEX come from, the only Essex I know is the country to the SE of London... Just a thought as I work on my Trumpeter Essex, (Wonderful PE sheet from WEM BTW!) Colin Ritchie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SANDLE Hobbies Subject: RN Camouflage Vol 4 by Alan Raven Hi all, Just a quick note to say that Vol 4 of the RN Camo series by Alan Raven is now in stock at SANDLE Hobbies. Check under Reference on the site. Regards, Shane SANDLE Hobbies http://sandlehobbies.com Where Modelling Matters ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Keith Butterley Subject: RN Camo IV now in stock Hi, The newest book from WR Press, Royal Navy Camouflage Volume IV is now in stock. Canada $30Cdn + shipping US/Intl $19US + shipping Regards Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com Vancouver site of the 2010 winter Olympics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume