Subject: SMML VOL 2242 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:25:21 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Battleship New Jersey Press Release 2: Re: Mysterious goings on by the QE2 3: Re: Where to go in London? 4: Re: S. Francisco Hobby shops etc 5: London 6: Warships suggest discarded pacifism 7: Re: USS Ronald Reagan 8: Re: Stones 9: Re: Where to go in London? 10: Re: The Stones 11: Sable 12: Re: Where to go in London? 13: Re: USS WOLVERINE 14: USS Ronald Reagan 15: Places to Visit in London 16: USS WOLVERINE 17: HMS CORNWALL ASSOCATION 18: HMS Queen Elizabeth 1941 19: Re: Where to go in London 20: Re: HMS Glorious 21: Sights in london 22: Where to go in London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Naval Modeling Exhibit 2: Palace Revolt, Ship Types take Over! 3: APMA site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: For sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Battleship New Jersey Press Release Just got this off a news list - since it's a press release from the museum I don't think there would be any problem with posting it for the SMML. Robert A. Mosher Press Release Source: Battleship New Jersey Museum and Memorial Battleship New Jersey Announces the Appointment of Six New Trustees Tuesday July 15, 10:30 am ET CAMDEN, N.J., July 15 /PRNewswire/ -- The Home Port Alliance for the USS New Jersey, America's most decorated battleship, together with Troy Collins, CEO of the Battleship New Jersey Museum & Memorial, announce the appointment of six new members to the Board of Trustees. Co-chaired by John Matheussen, CEO of the Delaware River Port Authority and Patricia Egan Jones, Camden County Surrogate, the Board, established in 1998 to facilitate the Battleship's return to its permanent berth on the Delaware River's Camden Waterfront across from Center City Philadelphia, has spearheaded the ship's massive restoration and new life as a living, breathing history classroom and signature waterfront attraction for veterans, patriots, families and students from around the world. "As part of our mission to generate support across the region for the continued restoration and preservation of one of the nation's greatest naval treasures," said Matheussen, "we need to ensure that our Board keeps evolving. This extraordinary military vessel creates a unique bridge between Camden and Philadelphia, and just as we were able to bring Mayor Street and Commerce Chairman Vernon Hill together as Co-Chairs for our first fundraiser this summer, we're delighted to welcome these noted leaders from all areas of our community to the Battleship New Jersey family, and value the wisdom and expertise they bring to the organization." The new members of the board are: Nilsa Cruz-Perez Assemblywoman NJ, 5th District Jay Hadley VP, Development - Cooper University Hospital David Kessler President, Sterling Medical Peter Luukko President, Comcast-Spectacor Ventures; Chairman, Global Spectrum Sal Paolantonio National Correspondent, ESPN Rodney Sadler Founder, Pyne Poynt Marine Services Stated Co-Chair Pat Jones, "To this point, our primary goal has been focused on the renovation of the Battleship and letting people know we're here. Now, thanks to our growing foundation of support, and with the incredible success of the Battleship Blast! fundraiser on July 5, we can begin to focus on expanding outreach, and broadening our donor base throughout the community." Commented Battleship Museum & Memorial CEO Troy Collins, "As with any non-profit cultural institution, fundraising is key, and Board development is a continual process. We're incredibly proud that in only 2 years we've managed to build a dynamic group of Trustees that is fully committed to the vitality and growth of this organization -- and the ship as a monument to military valor as well as a great attraction -- and these new board members will help to enhance that process." While the new Trustees hail from various parts of the region and bring a diversity of experience and expertise, they all have a common link -- a strong dedication to the importance of the Battleship New Jersey, both as an historical memorial and cultural attraction. The first Hispanic Assemblywoman in the State of New Jersey, Nilsa Cruz-Perez, is a native of Puerto Rico, whose career began when she enlisted in the US Army and served in active duty first in Mainz, Germany and then Texas. Upon her honorable discharge from the army, Ms. Cruz-Perez re-located to Camden, N.J., where she worked closely with the city's development, first, as Executive Assistant to the Vice President of Cooper's Ferry Development Association for the development of the waterfront, and then as a liaison between the Mayor and surrounding community, and served on the Camden City Zoning Board of Adjustment. In February 1995 she was appointed to fill an Assembly seat vacancy, followed by an overwhelming election victory to the General Assembly that November, where she currently serves as Assistant Majority Leader Chairwoman of the Consumer Affairs Committee, and member of the Housing and Local Government and Regulatory Oversight Committees. A native of Philadelphia's western suburbs, Jay Hadley spent 18 years as a professional development officer with United Way, including President and CEO of the Chester, PA, Rockford, IL, and Grand Rapids, MI, chapters, before going on to direct the $153 million Capital Campaign to build the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. The success of the campaign led Mr. Hadley to becoming the Vice President of Marketing and Development for Make-A-Wish Foundation of America, before returning to this region as Vice President of Development for Cooper University Hospital. David Kessler is the founder of Sterling Medical Services and has served as President since its inception in 1992. Credited with developing and defining the healthcare supply benefit in home care, his expertise in marketing, operational development, and rules management has allowed Sterling Medical to grow over 40% each year. Since selling his interest in the company in October 2000, Mr. Kessler remained as President and a member of Sterling's Board of Directors. Prior to founding Sterling Medical Services, Mr. Kessler served as Partner and Executive Vice President at Transact Property Company where he was responsible for the evaluation and development of commercial real estate in the Philadelphia and suburban market. An area native and graduate of Temple University, Mr. Kessler is a Cherry Hill resident. The President of Comcast-Spectacor Ventures and Chairman of Global Spectrum, Peter A. Luukko, oversees both major Philadelphia arena facilities -- the First Union Center and First Union Spectrum -- as well as the advertising and sales departments for the Philadelphia Flyers, the Philadelphia 76ers, the Philadelphia Phantoms, Comcast SportsNet and Flyers Skate Zone, community rinks designed to promote hockey and skating in the region. Responsible for creating new business opportunities in the fields of facility management, sports ownership and operation, food and concessions, as well as consulting in those areas, Luukko has helped Philadelphia garner national attention by attracting the 2002 NBA All-Star Weekend, 2001 NCAA Men's East Regionals, the X Games, the 2000 NCAA Women's Final Four and the 2000 Republican National Convention, as well as numerous other sports and entertainment events. Previously, he served as vice president of SMG's Western Region and facility manager for SMG's Los Angeles Coliseum and Sports Arena. He and his family reside in West Chester. A national correspondent for ESPN covering the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, professional tennis and special projects, Haddonfield resident Sal Paolantonio is an award-winning journalist and author of "Frank Rizzo: The Last Big Man in Big City America." A regular contributor to such ESPN shows as Sunday NFL Countdown, SportsCenter, Monday NFL Countdown, ESPNEWS, ESPN radio's GameDay, the Sunday morning show The Sports Reporters and more, Paolantonio also appears as a special correspondent on ABC News' Good Morning America and World News Tonight, Comcast SportsNet and WIP Radio, and is a contributing writer to Philadelphia Magazine. Prior to joining ESPN in 1995, Paolantonio was a political reporter and beat reporter covering the Philadelphia Eagles for the Philadelphia Inquirer. He also served as a reporter for WPHL's Inquirer News Tonight and hosted Saturday Morning Sports Page on WIP. A graduate of the State University of New York with a Master's degree in Journalism from NYU, Paolantonio served in the US Navy where he was awarded the United Nations Meritorius Service Medal in 1983. He has been honored with the Associated Press Sports Editors Award for Reporting, the AP Managing Editor's Award for Enterprise Reporting and multiple Emmy awards for work on SportsCenter and Sunday NFL Countdown. A Philadelphia native and resident of Camden since 1976, Rodney Sadler, began his career as an educator and assisted with the establishment of the first alternative high school in Camden. As the founder of Pyne Poynt Marine Services, Mr. Sadler grew his business in one of the most depressed areas of North Camden, helping to bolster the area, and in 1992 was hired by Camden County to open and operate Wiggins Park Marina and become the harbormaster, where he currently introduces area residents to the new waterfront. He spends much of his time actively volunteering for Camden organizations to improve the neighborhoods and community. In addition to these newly appointed members and the Board Co-Chairs, the Battleship New Jersey Board of Trustees also includes: Officers Donald Norcross, Treasurer Joseph A. Balzano, Secretary Preston M. Taylor, Jr., and Trustees Michael Carbone, Thomas P. Corcoran, Philip A. Norcross and William J. Walsh, as well as David R. Garrison, Ex-Officio, and Trustee Designees Norm Sooy, Cristina Lado, Mayor of Camden Christine J. Tucker, Brigadier General Kenneth L. Rieth (retired), and David Murphy, and Recording Secretary Jay Jones. Among the most notable warships in the Navy's history, the Battleship New Jersey has been awarded 19 battle or campaigns stars, more than any other surviving U.S. battleship, and has served in virtually every major conflict of the 20th century, including World War II, two tours in Korea, a Vietnam combat tour from September 1968 to March 1969, El Salvador in Central America in 1982, and then in the Mediterranean in 1983 in embattled Beirut, Lebanon. Decommissioned in February 1991, the USS New Jersey completed her Final Voyage home to the former Philadelphia Naval Ship Yard, arriving there appropriately enough, on Veteran's Day 1999. Opened to the public as a floating museum in October, 2001, on the Delaware River, along the southern end of the Camden Waterfront across from Center City Philadelphia, the Battleship New Jersey has undergone extensive restoration efforts, bringing history to life for visitors during daily guided tours through the Iowa-class ship, one of the largest battleships ever built - throughout the ship's massive nine decks. A living testament to all of the brave men and women who have fought, and still fight for American freedom, The Battleship New Jersey has become an integral part of the revitalization of the Camden Waterfront, as well as the newly-formed Independence Harbor District, and inspires civic pride and appreciation for all who visit. The Battleship New Jersey Museum and Memorial is open to the public seven days a week from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. General admission for adults is $12.50, $8 for children 12 and under, and senior citizens and veterans with I.D. There is no charge for children under 6, active military in uniform or former crewmembers with I.D. For information about group tours, special events capabilities or the encampment program please call 856.966.1652 or visit www.battleshipnewjersey.org. Source: Battleship New Jersey Museum and Memorial ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Re: Mysterious goings on by the QE2 Hi Concerning the QE2 activities. I don't know much about the Bermunda Triangle but I figured it could be it might be a case of human error on navigation. Or perhaps she came close to naval excerises and asked to leave. All I know is what my friend Steve Maguire told me about his cruise on the QE2. Perhaps they were trying to CYA and look good to the passengers. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Roger Chesneau Subject: Re: Where to go in London? Kevin No doubt you'll get an avalanche of replies to your message, so I'll restrict myself to four essentials: 1. HMS Belfast, right next to the Tower of London; 2. The National Maritime Museum, downstream from there (you can go by bus etc, but there is also river transport, from Tower Pier) - and, as a bonus, the Cutty Sark is a couple of hundred yards away from the Museum; 3. Since you're in Kensington, the world-famous South Kensington Museum complex should not be missed, especially the Science Museum; 3. Hannant's model shop, in north London, right next to Colindale underground (tube) station (Hannant's is arguably the best model shop in the British Isles; their main depot is in Norfolk, but their London outlet is still pretty good). Contact me off-list if you want any extra info. Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: enrico_villa Subject: Re: S. Francisco Hobby shops etc Thanks to all those who gave me suggestions!...Now I have a pretty filled up agenda... Ciao Enrico ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Fraser Subject: London If you're staying in Kensington the Science museum is just there and is well worth a visit and has a good section on ships. See http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/ What's more it's free except for special exhibitions. The Maririme museum in Greenwich is also a must but will probably take the most part of a day and it is on the other side of London. www.nmm.ac.uk A trip on the river from westminster, waterloo or tower bridge to Greenwich can be a nice way to start or end a visit there if the weather is good but it will take about an hour if not more. See http://www.citycruises.com/rrrinfo.php If you have time HMS Belfast could be worth a visit if that's your thing. http://www.iwm.org.uk/belfast/ For models I'm not sure since the excellent shop in Greenwich closed down. The only one I know of in London is Euro Models 35 Crown Road St Margarets, Twickenham TW1 3EJ England 020 81-891-0342 but I've never been to it and it seems too out of the way to me to go to. Maybe best to check on a map website to see if you want to go there. Have fun John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Kutina Subject: Warships suggest discarded pacifism http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030712-104212-6831r.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: USS Ronald Reagan How would you go about getting a commissioning booklet? Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Tony Mattson" Subject: Re: Stones >> I seem to recall that Sir Mick and the boys hail from the industrial midlands of England...Manchester I think, or Birmingham perhaps? << Mick & Keith came from Dartford in Kent (MJ b 26th July 1943; KR b 18th dec 1943) Ronnie Wood was born in Hillingdon, Middlesex 1st June 1947 Charlie Watts was born at Wembley, Middlesex 2nd June 1941 In 1960 Mick used to practise with Charlie In 1961 Mick, 'Keef', and Brian Jones moved into a flat in Edith Grove Chelsea and decided to form their own group. They invited Dick Taylor, Tony Chapman and Ian Stewart to join. Brian suggested calling themselves the Rolling Stones after Muddy Waters' "Rollin' Stone Blues". Chapman was replaced by Charlie in 1963. Dick Taylor was replaced by Bill Wyman soon after. Brian died, Ronnie Wood practised with the Stones but didn't officially join until their 1975 US tour, and the rest as they say is history. See what happens when you mix wholesome interests in scale modelling and genealogy with such unwholesome interests in the seedier side of Brit music. Beatles? Try some bug spray! cheers Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Joseph Low" Subject: Re: Where to go in London? Yes, the IWM is a good one but you MUST not missed the two major associated sites. This would be the HMS Belfast which is moored on the Thames River downtown (fantastic) and last but never the least the IWM at Duxford. There you will see what might be the best aircraft museum around. Also included are a few naval items plus an armor museum - tanks. To get to Duxford, you will need to take the tube on the circle line to King's Cross Station. Purchase a return ticket to Cambridge. When you get to Cambridge, look for the IWM Duxford free bus to the airfield. It will take you there and back. My suggestion is to go EARLY as you will struggle to get through this in one day Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: M Brown Subject: Re: The Stones I don't know about the rest of the Stones but Mick Jagger wasn't a Londoner. He was born & brought up in Dartford, Kent. Went to the London School of Economics later in life. Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: Sable HOWDY, HERZ A LINK FOR SOME INFO ON THE WOLVERINE. http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/sable_f.htm DAVID IN DIXIE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SeaPhoto Subject: Re: Where to go in London? In addition to the Imperial War Museum, I would take in the London Science Museum (1/48 scale Vanguard Model, among others), National Maritime Museum (a short and enjoyable trip via water taxi to Greenwich) and of course a tour of HMS Belfast. There were some great used bookstores in London when I went there last (1991) that had a lot of naval books. There was one great hobby shop, but it has since closed; others seemed to have a normal mix of things you would find in the US. If you are going to be there for some time, a day trip to Portsmouth would be a great idea - not too far by train, and once there you have a wealth of history to explore; the museum, HMS Victory, Warrior and a lot more. Have a great time, it is a wonderful country to visit. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography - onboard details and overhead views of modern warships www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway - learn about large scale radio control warship models. www.warshipmodelsunderway.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Re: USS WOLVERINE Harry, It's also been found lurking at O'Hare. A model of the SS Seeandbee can be found at the Lake Erie Historical Society at Put-in-Bay. Their website (currently undergoing a rebuild and not available) features photos of all their models (a great historical overview of ships on the Great Lakes from sail to today). Be warned that Bill's model has some errors in it. Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: USS Ronald Reagan Gary, Mike & Darren, "I" am so envious of the three of you!!!!!!!! Lord only knows how badly I would love to see such an event!!! Being landlocked here in Colorado, it is a little difficult to make it that far. So, I am praying you three gents can assist me in my quest. . .I am looking for pictures of the island tower and mast, the RAM units and the new boat cranes. Objective is to try and convert the Italeri Nimitz to a Reagan. For all you "purist", NO it will NOT be an exact model!!! But it will do for now, or until someone makes a kit of the Reagan. Thank you all in advance!! Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Places to Visit in London I was there in 2000. I went to Hannants in Carindale, which is just down the road from the RAF museum at Hendon. This was a great trip for a modeller. To get to Hannants you get the train from Euston Station to Carindale. As you come out of the station turn right and there's Hannants. They've got a great collection of kits and accessories to keep any modeller happy. The guys there were really friendly, me being an Aussie tourist and all. I was finally able to explain to them why we Aussies call the English "Pommies" a.k.a. "Pommy Bastards". It comes from when the convicts used to arrive in Australia with POHM printed on their clothes (Prisoner of His Majesty). Well they did ask. Walk out of Hannants and turn left. Keep walking for about 600 metres and you're at RAF Museum Hendon. They've got a great collection of warbirds, including most of the WWI and WWII types. I was particularly impressed by the Battle of Britain wing and the Sunderland flying boat. It's worth taking a guided tour as most of the guides are ex RAF themselves. When you get back to London you've got to visit the pub opposite Euston station. The "Bangers and Mash" washed down with a good pint were fantastic. Especially after the hotel food, which was decidedly average. The Cutty Sark at Greenwich is also worth a visit and I think you can also tour a WWII cruiser. I think it's HMS Glasgow or Belfast, not sure. I think it was one of the ships involved in the Scharnhorst action anyway. I only saw it passing by on a Thames cruise. Nice camouflage job though. These are some ideas but as usual there are tourist offices which can give you much more info. Unfortunately I didn't have that much time, as the missus wanted to do other things like look at craft shops etc. Didn't even get to visit the Reichs Museum in Munich, DAMN IT. Maybe next time. Bon Voyage Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: USS WOLVERINE There is a large scale model that fits that description in the museum at the Buffalo Naval Park. At least it was there the last time I visited a few years back. Not sure if is the one you are seeking. They have a web site you might be able to contact. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: GAZWE Subject: HMS CORNWALL ASSOCATION Hello guys can any of you help i am trying to contact the Cornwall assocation can somone point me in the right direction cheers Gary r ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: roger.antrobus Subject: HMS Queen Elizabeth 1941 Can anyone help with the colour of the upper decks and walkways for the battleship QE in 1941.....I know the forecastle and quarter deck were planked but what about the rest? Roger Antrobus Sussex, England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Re: Where to go in London Hi Kevin, A couple of suggestions for where to go in London: National Maritime Museum, Greenwich. A must go fo anyone on this list. Take a District & Circle line underground train to Charing Cross mainline station and look for a train heading towards Woolwich, get off at Greenwich. On the way there or back, get off at London Bridge station and follow signs to HMS Belfast, a WWII Cruiser moored on the Thames nearby. The Imperial War Museum website will have information on this. Good model shops are a little thin on the ground in Kensington. Two options, both require a bit of travel on the underground: The Model Shop, Harrow. Catch a Metropolitan line train from Baker Street to Harrow-on-the-Hill. Station Road will take you right there. Option two is Hannants at Colindale. This might be useful if you like those things with wings as it is very close to the RAF Museum, Hendon. This time take the Northern Line to Colindale. If memory serves, you should head towards the RAF Museum and you should tumble across the shop. Hope this is helpful and enjoy your trip. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Mitsuaki Kubota Subject: Re: HMS Glorious Hi Steve, Brian King had built 1/192 HMS Glorious, and his articles appear in "Model Shipwright" No. 103 and No. 104. Also he lists NMM plans as followed. All are 1/96 "As Fitted" drawings. As Chris says, I recommend to ask NMM. MCD 20350/1 profile, starboard side 20350/2 upper gallery, flight and bridge deck 20350/3 upper hanger and lower gallery deck 20350/4 lower hanger and upper deck 20350/5 main and lower deck 20350/6 platform deck and holds 20350/7 sections MCD 20374 docking plan MCD 20832 sketch of rig Hope these helps. Best regards, Mitsuaki Kubota ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Phil Collins" Subject: Sights in london Hi Kevin. There is a replica of Drakes Golden Hinde along the Thames. To get there, you can either take the tube to London Bridge Station, cross over and follow Montague Close. Or, if visiting HMS Belfast. Just follow on past her for a bit and you will find her tide up in St Mary Ovarie Dock. There are also some ship models in the Science Museum. And of course, the National Maritime Museum. Bye. Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: JOHNEME Subject: Where to go in London In no particular order. HMS Belfast Greenwich Day trip to Portsmouth/Gosport Foyles Book Store and Motor Books-both on Charing Cross Road. Hannant's Hobby Shop-I forget the address Hope this helps, and all the above will probably be repeated by others. John Emery ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rui Francisco Matos" Subject: Naval Modeling Exhibit Naval Modeling Exhibit until 31st of July Location: Museu Naval do Olho de Boi - Almada - Portugal Organization: Camara Municipal de Almada (CMA) e Associacao de Modelismo de Almada (AMA) Opening Hours: Tuesday to Friday 09:30-12:30 14:00-17:00 On weekend days 10:00-12:30 14:00-18:30 with modeler's from AMA working and helping visitors The exhibit comprises some models from the Museum itself, mainly typical Tagus River boats and ferrys, and from our club, all the variety of models, from caravels to nuclear subs! There are models in wood, plastic, resin for your delight! If any of you (I know that there are SMML'ies from the Lisbon area) are willing to take a different look of Lisbon and enjoy a bit of modeling, you are welcome :) Rui Matos (aka Skipper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "William B Luther" Subject: Palace Revolt, Ship Types take Over! At the last meeting of the North (San Diego) County Modelers, a number of the Tread Heads, Wing Nuts and Car Guys didn't show up. It shortly became apparent, the Ship Types had the advantage by 3 to 2. Even though this situation was new to us, we soon rallied to the cause and proclaimed the next meeting to be "Ship Night". To that end, all ship modelers within steaming range of North San Diego County, are invited to our next meeting. The North County Modelers, meet on the 3rd Sunday of the month (July 20, this month), 5:00 PM, at the Hobbytown in the CompUSA center, in San Marcos. The address is 2085 Montrel Rd., San Marcos CA, 92069. Run a Mapquest search for a map. Bring a model completed or one in progress or even just an unbuilt kit or just yourself. We are an informal group, with no dues, no official affiliations and no officers. We've been meeting for 5 years now so we must be doing something right. Hope to see you Sunday, Bill Luther ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shane Subject: APMA site update Hi all, The APMA site has been updated with the pics from last weekends Ship Display day. Plus a stack of other stuff. Now to work on the long overdue SMML site update. Check out the Update Page on the site. Regards, Shane APMA Webmaster http://apma.org.au Having FUN Making Models Now with Secure On-line Ordering ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: For sale Hello all, I have a large sum hard to find books and some nice kits for sale. Please take a look. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=shaship&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 Regards, Sami Arim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume