Subject: SMML VOL 2246 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:24:42 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Conversion set for 1/350 Hornet to Enterprise? 2: Re: Gneisenau 3: Re: USS Indiana colors late 1942 4: Where to visit in London (future) 5: Arado 196 aboard Scharnhorst 6: Re: Arado ID's for Scharnhorst 7: Re: Yamato deck problem 8: Tabloid book titling 9: Ensigns and jacks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Flags ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Sepos Subject: Conversion set for 1/350 Hornet to Enterprise? Greetings: Do I recall hearing the rumor of a conversion kit to modify the 1/350 Trumpeter Hornet to the Enterprise? Fact or Fiction? If so, when? Thanks, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Gneisenau The pronunciations of some German warship names and types are sound-recorded for replay at as a .WAV file at: http://www.bismarck-class.dk/miscellaneous/german_pronunciation/german_pronunciation.html The digital sound reproduction is occasionally a little off. Gneisenau seems to end with an "oh" and it should really be more of an "au" like in "out" (pronounced in American, not Canadian). Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: USS Indiana colors late 1942 Ah, the great green battleship controversy rears it's ugly head yet again! This is the equivalent of a modern day Urban Legend. There are no official records or any photographs at all that show Indiana or any other battleship painted in greens at any time during their careers. There are some people that report remembering it, or knowing someone who saw a green battleship, but that's it. Of course, it's your model and you can paint it however you want, but just don't expect to back up your color scheme with any proof - because you just won't find it. Devin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: Where to visit in London (future) Well, if you look a bit further afield there is Chatham Historic Dockyard (a train from Victoria, then a bus). At present, there is HMS Cavalier and an O-class submarine (both of which you can go aboard and HMS Gannet (Victorian gunboat/sloop) which has been externally restored and is having the scaffolding removed (should be finished by September). In addition there are all the covered slips (including an extensive collection of RNLI Lifeboats), the various Georgian buildings and especially the ropewalk. The "Building the Wooden Walls" exhibit and the dockyard museum are also fascinating (the museum has a huge collection of ships crests) UNFORTUNATELY, you are about two years too early as English Heritage have just arranged to donated a couple of million to upgrade the Brunel buildings into a home for (some ? / all ?) of the National Maritime Museum's ship model collection. The idea is that this will be ready in about 2005, but it is early days yet and I have yet to hear of any specifics, but I'll be there the first weekend I can!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Denis" Subject: Arado 196 aboard Scharnhorst 'Luftwaffe Codes & Markings etc'(B C Rosch) shows a photo of the A/C allegedly aboard the Scharnhorst and ID's it as Arado Ar 196-3 coded T3-NH of 1/BFGr.196. (Bordfliegergruppe=Shipboard Reconnaissance Group) 'German Maritime Aircraft' (B Philpott) has the same picture on its cover and the codes are clearly T3-NH but the auther says operated by 4/BFGr-196. For information the colours are given as the standard 72-73-65 maritime splinter scheme.The emblem for 1/BFGr & 2/BFGr 196 was a seahorse on a blue shield. My references don't give me any unit emblem for 4/BFGr196 but you can't assume it would be the same as 5/BFGr 196 used a Hansa cog (looks more like a 'clog' to me) sailing vessel on a white shield. As matter of interest another reference has a photo ans 3 view of a Ar196 of 1 Staffel with the codes T3-KH..The K not the H is repeated under both lower wings rgds denis james ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Andrew Barton" Subject: Re: Arado ID's for Scharnhorst Thanks for the responses. Based on information received, I am opting for T3 + GH Cheers Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Yamato deck problem >> I plan to build the Tamiya 1/350 Yamato and as you probably now there is the split deck problem. << Aaaahhh! The Infamous Tamiya Yamato Deck! Other than delicately working in the putty, you could do two things: 1. Make an entirely new deck, preferably from already scored plasticard. This requires removal of all deckhouses and moulded on detail from the kits deck, and exactly rplacing it on the new deck... 2. Sand off all the raised planking detail, build, putty and rescribe or use the alternate masking technique to simulate te different planks. That was the technique I opted to use. Problem is: Yamato used rather narrow planking (I believe 1 to 1.5mm scale width), so the attempt of taping 1mm strips of masking tape, perfectly parrallel with the longitudinal axis, randomly across the deck was given up before long... I'm now in the process of drawing the deck on the computer, in the hope of printing it on decal paper... An even more foolish idea, I'm afraid. I've seen a model on the net where the builder (I believe a SMMLie too) glued a plastic strip over the joint, wasn't to bad... Recently there has been a thread on another Tamiya kit with the same problem, so a back search may be of help. a technique I've seen from plane builders and I have used also is to put masking tape some 1-2 mm from the joint along the deck, smear in some Mr. Surfacer, and wipe the residue while it's still wet off with a Q-tip or a cloth moistened with nail varnish remover. As the Surfacer shrinks while drying, a repeated application may be neccesary... (Why didn't I knew this earlier, sigh....) HTH Wienne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Morris D Shirley Subject: Tabloid book titling Heads up, Re book titled USS NEW JERSEY: WORLD WAR II TO THE PERSIAN GULF. Ignore the title, book contains no pics from WWII, Korea or Persian Gulf duty. On page 12 the authors clearly state that subject of their photo essay is "1967-68 resurrection of NEW JERSEY for the Vietnam war." That said, re New Jersey's Vietnam activation, book is a useful modeling ref. Guess the reason I'm reacting to overblown title is that not too long ago I bought (on-line) Spencer Dunmore's book, with introduction by Dr. Robert D. Ballard, LOST SUBS: FROM THE HUNLEY TO THE KURSK, THE GREATEST SUBMARINES EVER LOST--AND FOUND. It arrives in mail and I flip thru...a full page photo of SSBN USS Maryland (a sunk and found boomer?!)...then come across 4 pages of photos, drawings and text dedicated to USS Nautilus (lost and found?). I start reading. The book ignores its own title, takes stab at being history of submarine, but is too superficial to be of value there. The cover touts amazing underwater images, but contains numerous full page paintings, most having nothing to do with individual subs LOST--AND FOUND... It's hard not to conclude that book is quicky job designed to generate some easy money? The lascivious, tabloid-like exploitation of the Hunley and Kursk names, and then bring Doctor Ballard on board to complete the con? Ballard's name hooked me. I read and loved his DISCOVERING THE TITANIC (1983). And found his DISCOVERY OF THE BISMARCK (1990) and EXPLORING THE LUSITANIA (1995) to be interesting reads and useful modeling refs (tho both had co-authors, lacked the heart/emotion of his Titanic book). Then I read Ballard's GRAVEYARDS OF THE PACIFIC (1991--a copy borrowed from library, not purchased, thank goodness), a big disappointment. The established author/authority coasting on reputation? Well, enough. I apologize for this note of discordance. Yes, I am old enough, should to be used to being lied to, but still haven't learned to like it. Anybody out there wants LOST SUBS, $6 for postage and handling gets you a book and me my shelf space back. Cheers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Michael London" Subject: Ensigns and jacks Some time ago there was a discussion on these and I recently made enquiries about flag etiquette from a former senior RN officer. In the Royal Navy ships in harbor fly the ensign at the ensign staff and the jack at the jackstaff. At sea in peacetime the ensign flies from the ensign staff on the quarterdeck and no jack is worn. In wartime the ensign shifts to the gaff. No ensigns or jacks are worn if the ship is not in commission or in dockyard hands. Perhaps someone could comment if the same procedures are followed in the USN and other navies. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: LHDockyard Subject: Re: Flags >> Can anyone give me a lead on a source for flags? I need a US ensign and Jack (WWII vintage) in a fairly large scale (1/125). << We have cloth flags that have been silk screen on both sides and are waterproof available in this scale as well as many others. You can check out our website for further details on pricing and flag styles/sizes or contact us 7 days a week. 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