Subject: SMML VOL 2255 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:17:56 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: New Schnellboote books 2: Phil & others interested 3: Re: green Indiana 4: Green Color in Old Color Photos 5: USN Commissioning pennant 6: Ilex 7: Re: painting ship 8: Re: Demise of Navismagazine 9: Re: Reichsmarine colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Two new items from Gold Medal Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Re: New Schnellboote books http://picpage7.tripod.com/s-boot.html shows neither S-7 nor S-14, I compared this drawing to the Groener books, where I found drawings of these to types, I already linked from http://picpage7.tripod.com/s-boot.html Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "lamkeel" Subject: Phil & others interested Hi Phil (and others). Re your question on the 2" Rocket Flare Launches, I'm sure these were included in one of the earlier volumes. (To lazy to go upstairs to my library/Office to look, as this machine is on the ground floor). Off the top of my head I WILL include, the twin 0.5" Vickers machine guns on the Mark IV Manual Mounting, the 6 pounder 7 cwt Mark IIA Gun on the power operated Mark VII mounting. The 6 pounder QF Gun on the Mark VI (Manual) Mounting of 1942 (As carried by some Fairmile "D" and the Fairmile B gun boats operating in the Far East) The 20mm Oerlikon Gun, construction (Exploded view). It would appear that I have NOT included the 2" R F L so I will endevour to add that to my list of things to do.(Ive just had a look)! The designs covered will be British Power Boat, Camper & Nicholson, Whites and Thorneycroft and many will be designs that were considered, designed but only confined to the drawing board. It makes interesting viewing. I have a sheet of full power trials figures for the British Power Boat 71' 6" units and this is to be transposed soon as at present its in graph form. (Boat Nos MGB 74 - MTB 490 which managed 39.5 knots on her trials on 28th August 1944). (All secret stuff but from the horses mouth)!. At my last count I have (about) 10 more drawings to complete. (I hope to start another, tomorrow on Camper & Nicholson engine beds). I'm getting there! Yours "Aye" John Lambert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: green Indiana Hi SMMLies, Just got back from my cruise to Bermuda on the M/V Nordic Empress. Great time but I did have model building with-draw the first two days out. Anyway I just gathered up a weeks worth of SMMLies. I too am building a 1:350 Indiana right now along with a million other things. She was NOT green. If you can get your hands on the video "The Fighting Lady" USS Yorktown CV 10 you will see the Indiana in a pretty good close up in color. It is taken from a plane flying past her bow. It was not long after her collision with BB 56 because the aft stb. side in the collision area is plated over and rusty. However one can make out her colors and pattern pretty good at least on the stb side. Guess what? No green on her. Now on the other hand It would be different to see a green BB but forget about it, at least in the US Navy. KTB PS, the seas were dead calm but I was wishing for rough weather just to see if I still had my sea-legs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Green Color in Old Color Photos The idea of old color film showing a color shift, either manmade in the lab or by natural degradation over time, really revealed itself the other day. With all the crosstalk about the green Indiana, I saw several color photos in a book (browsing in Borders) showing a WW2 DD in a nice deep greenish-hue, close to a PT boat deep green or a Luftwaffe darkest green (not quite black green). The US flag in the photo was red, white, and blue; however, upon really close inspection I could see the white was almost "creamy, off-white" and the red sort of an orangey-red tint. But if I were a betting man and not a shiplover, I would put money on the fact that I saw a photo of a greeen tincan, but I know better than to do that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Darren Scannell Subject: USN Commissioning pennant I've been catching up again since I fell behind, again!, and there was some discussion of Commissioning Pennants. I thought I'd offer a little first hand info. I've attended both the commissioning of the USS WINSTON CHURCHILL DDG81 and the USS RONALD REAGAN CVN76. During the ceremony for both ships, the Pennant was raised on a main forward mast halyard and then the Ensign was raised on the next halyard to outboard. I've also been told by the CO that Pennants, since they are flown 24/7, have to be replaced periodically. I have pictures, so I can prove this to anyone who wishes. No little pikes on modern ships. As a side note, during decommissioning, at least in the case of HMCS BONAVENTURE CVL22, a Pennant was flown that is a meter long for every year of service. The Bonnies pennant is in the Shearwater Aviation museum, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia and it goes around the upper walls with many loops. There is a great photo in the Bonnie book. Cheers! Darren Scannell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Frank Stile" Subject: Ilex >> Ilex in '42 / early '43 was in light disruptive after refit in USA and became CTL in Jan 44 in the Med. Was she still in light disruptive? And out of curiosity how did she become a constructive total loss (no reference I've seen says what happened)? << The Ilex was scrapped in Italy in 1948 Frank Stile, (on a hot South Texas day) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "bert" Subject: Re: painting ship I have read with interest the debate on the colour of the "Ark" when sunk. I have a friend here in Melbourne that was about to stand his watch on the wheel of her when the "fish" hit He is still alive and kicking at over 90 years of age and can tell the exact time she was hit, he can move twice as fast as I (at 78) still,, and has all his faculties. I say this in order to forestall the inevitable comment of "too old to know". I made a model of the "Ark" for him and a copy of the badge about 15 years ago and he said when I asked about the colours, "She was never painted in a camoflage scheme and was one colour from the waterline to the flight deck". As one that has been over the side painting ship On 3 carriers I can say that I never once saw the painting of the ships side begin at the waterline and Go UP also the lighter colour would be painted first.I know us poms are stupid but we did know it is easier to put a dark colour over a light one than vice versa, if you think about it, it would mean that you would be hauled up over the part you had just painted, with the marks of your footprints over the part you had just covered in paint as you fended yourself from the side with your feet, hands being occupied with paint pot and brush. Most certainly this would not please the Commander. "Paint ship" at that time in the R.N. was with a brush, and all the ratings including FAA, not required to run the essential services would be over the side or manning the bosuns chairs or stages. I am not entering the debate on colours as all grey paint of whatever shade was called crabfat by those applying it! (Happy days) Yours Aye Afterthought, I believe the anti fouling went darker after it was immersed,also red and black are not easily distinguished on non colour film add 6 to 10 feet of black boot topping to that as the ship heels over, take the angle of the photo to the heel and you get a foreshortened view, would that make it appear as a two shades of gray/grey. run that up the flagpole and see who salutes! Have a colourful day! (TaT). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Demise of Navismagazine Dear all, I'd like to echo Phil Stewart's sentiments about the passing of Navismagazine. It is a "publication" (is that the correct term for a web magazine?) that I always enjoyed browsing thoroughly and will miss greatly. Its particular value was that it was predominantly about history, guidance, ideas and inspiration for modellers, rather than just kit reviews. And I must say that it was Paulo's article on the USS Croatan that inspired me to get into ship modelling and broaden my interests from just aircraft. I know that it's appearance on the web was somewhat irregular, but bearing in mind the enormous amount of content in each edition, I am amazed that the small group of people behind found the time to do it at all. I, for one, never begrudged the small amount I was expected to pay for Navismagazine. What was it? About six dollars a year. That's only about four quid! Well, there are plenty of magazines on the shelves that cost almost that each month, and for less useful content. To expect something for nothing all the time is unfair on the people who put the time into producing these resources. If I was expected to pay a small sum for using websites such as Steel Navy, modelwarships.com, or even (ducks below the parapet to avoid flak) SMML, then I would happily pay up and continue to subscribe. I hope that it does not mean that Paulo and colleagues are going to stop writing, and that we may continue to enjoy articles from them on some other source. Perhaps, if they subscribe to SMML, they can let us know? Anyway, Paulo, Gerd, etc. Here's to you. I'll raise a glass of Glenmorangie when I get home from work tonight! Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Reichsmarine colors Some of the cruisers of this period (1919-1935) such as K Class and Leipzig, appear in b/w photos to have white funnels. Is this actually white or some other light color? If so what was this intended to signify? My guess is that they were in a training role but would be glad to have this confirmed or otherwise. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: Two new items from Gold Medal Models Gold Medal Models has just released a new photoetched detail set for Hasegawa's 1/450 scale IJN aircraft carrier Akagi. It includes the usual drooped-chain rails, regular rails, ladders, and aircraft parts as well as mast and antenna details, elaborate structural girders for the flight deck, safety nets, detailed windbreaks for the flight deck, and over 100 relief etched figures including replicas of Admirals Yamamoto and Nagumo. Numerous other fittings are also included. GMM has also released a two-sheet decal set of flight deck numbers for World War Two USN fleet carriers including the Hornet and Essex-class ships by Trumpeter. The set provides all necessary numbers as well as ships' names printed in flat black and featuring no visible clear carrier film on the numbers which eliminates the problem of "silvering". For more information, look up GMM Nos. 450-8 (1/450 Akagi) and 350-7D (1/350 WW2 USN Carrier Decals) at the GMM website: www.goldmm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume