Subject: SMML VOL 2256 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:01:50 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Color scheme and helo for USS NEW JERSEY 2: Re: green Indiana 3: Re: air and sea models com 4: green battleships 5: Looking for LCVP help 6: Incat's aircraft carrier plans 7: Re: demise of navismagazine 8: Re: painting ship 9: Re: Painting Ship 10: Re: Photo of Ark Royal 11: Ark Royal 12: Friedrich's question - S-Boot 13: Re: Green WW II Ships 14: USN WW2 vehicle colours 15: Carrier Airwing Web Site 16: Navis Model 17: Yamato 1/200 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Color scheme and helo for USS NEW JERSEY >> I'm in the process of "re-habbing" a model of the USS MISSOURI, a Sterling kit my uncle built in 1957. I'd like to update it to the configuration of the USS NEW JERSEY during Desert Storm. Could one of you knowledgeable SMMLies indicate : the proper color scheme of the hull, superstructure and decks. As I have access to Model Master paint, an approximation of the Navy colors used on the real ship would be a big help. Also are H-60 helicopters available in this models scale, as well as photo etch railings? (See, this is what happens when all you build are Coast Guard cutters and try to venture out in another field!) << Mike, The color scheme would have been overall haze grey, peeling with rust streaks. Decks would have been fading teak with weeds in some cracks, and non-skid with water puddles. A helo would not have been present, nor would most of the radars, any of the missiles, or any crew except a few birds. The guns would have their tampions in place, and the ship would be tied up to a dock. BB 62 was out of commission by Desert Storm. Only Big Mo and Wisky were still in service, and both were there. They would not have had a helo, but instead carried Predator UAVs, with a big, vertical net to catch it. You might be able to scratch build a Predator in 1/192 - they're rather simply shaped. If you still want to do NJ, she did not carry an H-60 but an SH-2F, of HSL-33. The main deck and 01 level were mostly teak, except the helo deck, and an extensive, oddly-shaped section of the main deck just forward of the helo pad. The teak in this area was in bad shape, and it was cheaper to replace it with non-skid. Hazy Grey is _not_ the purple-blue tinted grey of WW2, but more of a light ghost grey. Teak is also pretty grey, even when holystoned daily. Non-skid is dark, dark grey. Come visit our website for photos of Big J over the years. Joe Poutre Co-Webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: green Indiana Of course, even after all this, you can build your Indiana with a "green Ms 21/22" and call it a proposed alternative camo scheme, putting one of those photos next to the model. It'll drive the paint Nazis nuts! It's _your_ model, build it however _you_ want. Joe Poutre Who wants to build an OHP in modern dazzle... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "GRAHAM WALKER" Subject: Re: air and sea models com Just been on the site and found no mention of it shutting, Not April 1st is it ;) graham @ the cruiser sig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: andrew jones Subject: green battleships no this is not about the debate of the US battleship (bet Shane thought not another post on that still!,lol), but the box art on i recall on some of the 1/700 IJN battleships... i cant recall exactly but i remember some show the BB's in green ...... is this true...as i said i cant recall the box arts ..Haruna i think was one .. regards AJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: billkaja Subject: Looking for LCVP help I'm looking for some help with an LCVP project: What does the interior of the gunner's stations look like on an LCVP? I've looked at the LCVP project webpage (they built a new LCVP at Higgins using original plans, in 1999, for the D-Day museum.) There's lot s of in progress photos posted, but no shot that shows what the interior of the gunner position looks like. My best guess at this point is that the gun stations were round holes in the aft deck, giving access to the interior of the boat. I would assume there was some sort of seat at the bottom-- the gunner's legs would need to go somewhere, and the position is too shallow for the gunner to be standing. Can anyone help? TIA! Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Kutina Subject: Incat's aircraft carrier plans http://www.examiner.com.au/print.asp?id=188186 Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Phil Stewart Subject: Re: demise of navismagazine >> Anyway, Paulo, Gerd, [et alia]. Here's to you. I'll raise a glass of Glenmorangie when I get home from work tonight! << Aye. And from the inspiration of my recent trip to Ireland, I will raise up my next pint of "Guinness for strength" (gotta love those funky Guinness ads) to the redoubtable crew of the Navismag. balefully, Phil Stewart, Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "William H. Shuey" Subject: Re: painting ship >> I have read with interest the debate on the colour of the "Ark" when sunk. I have a friend here in Melbourne that was about to stand his watch on the wheel of her when the "fish" hit He is still alive and kicking at over 90 years of age and can tell the exact time she was hit, he can move twice as fast as I (at 78) still,, and has all his faculties. I say this in order to forestall the inevitable comment of "too old to know". I made a model of the "Ark" for him and a copy of the badge about 15 years ago and he said when I asked about the colours, "She was never painted in a camoflage scheme and was one colour from the waterline to the flight deck". << bert: Referencing the above: Would your friend from the Ark Royal care to expound on why a single torpedo ended up sinking a big ship like the Ark Royal? I have always wondered what went wrong in the damage control department. Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Painting Ship As I write these words, I have in front of me a broadside view of the Ark Royal, the date of which, according to Mr Gazeley is some time in 1941. It shows without ANY doubt, a dark lower hull, a light upper hull and a dark island. On the fore part of the hull, the paint division line does NOT run along the line of the knuckle, but runs about eight feet above it! I need a malt, a large one!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Photo of Ark Royal Mr S Jenkins has kindly agreed to post the photo in question, which will be sent to him by airmail. This will take a few days. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject: Ark Royal Hi Bert I am afraid we cannot rely on your friend's account even though he does have all his faculties. Memory plays too many tricks and it has been demonstrated before on this website that a veteran can forget that his ship was camouflaged. There are too many photographs of the Ark Royal in this state for there to be any doubt and unfortunately your suggestion is not valid. The photos after the torpedoing the National Maritime Museum are too clear for any dispute - the problem is how did the Ark Royal get into this state. I put forward the repaint theory only as a theory to explain a very unusual colour scheme. I have my doubts about it mainly for the reasons you mentioned but it is a very possible explanation especially if she was being repainted in dry dock. It is also possible that she was camouflaged but for this we do need photographic evidence. If WRPRESS could follow up on his kind offer this may help and clear up the question. Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Friedrich's question - S-Boot The picture displayed on the website appears to be from the S-30/S-54 class. The up-sloped bridge wings indicate this. The additional armament midships implies a mid-war modification. If you check Dave Krakow's website he has underwater photographs of S-57 in the Adriatic. It has a twin 2cm mount that was non-standard for the original build. So I would guess that your picture was a modification in the Med. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: aandmblevins Subject: Re: Green WW II Ships I believe that some PT boats in addition to DE's that were used as fast troop carriers were painted olive or dark green. Al Blevins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: USN WW2 vehicle colours Hi A question has come up recently on one of the military vehicle sites about the colours of USN vehicles during WW2. This includes both softskins and the early amphibious tracks used in the Pacific, before they were painted OD. I have an idea that 5-O Ocean Gray was used but does anyone have reliable information? Robert Lockie Swindon UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: AAA Hobby Supply Subject: Carrier Airwing Web Site I found this link to a really neat USN page run by a guy living near Atsugi http://www.ne.jp/asahi/gonavy/atsugi/gonavy6.html Might help with the recent requests for CVW info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Wjp18086 Subject: Navis Model I agree with the earlier letter regarding Navis. I was surprised when I clicked on the site and saw that publication had been canceled. My subscription was up next month and I was wondering whether to renew or not, since I only received one new issue this year. Sad to see it go, that along with Plastic Ship Modeler. Is model shipbuilding on the decline? Jeff P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Islandkoka Subject: Yamato 1/200 BTW, I Built the 1/350 but have held back on the 1/200, mainly because of the lack of detail. Do you know if anyone is making tooled parts, such as guns? Would do the Gold Medal etchings. I admire Dave Turner for his work on his Yamato. Regards, Scott Mitchell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume