Subject: SMML VOL 2264 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:19:49 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: No Beer and No Wine make Steve Wiper... 2: Re: Cyclone class 3: Re: Yamato Resources 4: 1/350th scale navy figures 5: Jean Bart references again................ 6: Alsace designs as well......... 7: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model 8: Re: 350 scale round figures 9: Re: Yamato Class 10: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model 11: Misc 12: Re: 88s on E-Boats: Not 13: Re: a challenge 14: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model 15: Re: F1M2 Japanese Floatplane 16: Re: 88s and E-Boats 17: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model 18: Tauro & Trumpeter Italian Cruisers 19: Re: 1:48 scale model of Queen Mary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Sovremennyy Photo CD now available ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: No Beer and No Wine make Steve Wiper... >> I know this is going to sound like I am a real P***Y and cannot stand up to the Honorable Joe, but I, a renowned beer drinker, have been stricken with a terrible affliction. I have developed an allergic reaction to sulfites. These are often used as a preservative in beer. I have not had the pleasure for three months now, and let me tell you, it sucks! At least two bars in my area have closed their doors for lack of business. On a side note, I have learned that Preservatives are known as a rubber (condom) in Denmark, so imagine my dismay upon learning this! << Steve, My deepest sympathies and condolences. The thought of not being able to enjoy beer and wine send shivers up and down my spine. Perhaps you can find some quality local brew pub or microbrewery that eschews the use of such preservatives? When you recover, and we meet, I shall help you catch up. In the meantime, I will make up for the lost business. And consider the gantlet taken back - it would be unfair and dishonourable to challenge such a suffering fellow. An interesting choice, that Danish name - what are they preserving in such things? Joe Poutre PS: Keep up the good work on the Warship Pictorials. If you're considering new subjects, I'd love one on the Princetons - CVL, CV/LPH, and/or CG. Hey, how about a tripartite publication about all three vessels? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Cyclone class >> http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/aug_03_14.php << The USN always gets rid of these vessel types in peacetime, then finds itself scrambling to acquire new ones in wartime. Even after they proved their usefulness, and despite all their proclamations about future warfare in the littorals, the brass is still looking to dump them on the Coast Guard or other countries. A 1/700 or 1/350 version of one of them would find its way into my model pile. One or two of them next to a tramp freighter or tugboat. JoeP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Yamato Resources Hi Bob, How much information do you want? There are several books out on the ships but the best in English is J. Skulski's "Anatomy of the Ship: Battleship Yamato" published by Conway and Naval Institute Press. It was recently reprinted but is now out of print again. You can find several copies at www.bookfinder.com. There is also "Battleships: Axis and Neutral Battleships in WWII" by Robert Dulin and William Garzke also from the Naval Institute Press. Gakken (a Japanese publisher) puts out several books with photos of 1/100 scale models of the Yamato. In their WWII softback series there is #11 IJN Battleship Yamato and #20 IJN Battleship Yamato #2. Then there is #22 CV Taiho and Shinano. The Super Illustrated #2 is a hardbacked boock with photos of a different 1/100 scale model of the Yamato and includes fold out images resized to be 1/350 scale. If you really want to get into it, you can get the books "Design and Construction of the Battleship Yamato," "Design and Construction of the Battleship Musashi" and "Super Battleship Yamato" but they are completely in Japanese. They are loaded with construction illustrations and blueprints but are not much good for modelers. They are also a bit expensive at over US$200 each (US$70 for the Super Battleship). One interesting note is that they do show just how the bow of the Musashi was modified and quite different from the Yamato. Hope that helps. Best regards, Duane Fowler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: 1/350th scale navy figures Hi Val, L'Arsenal is busy working on a set of 3-dimensional 1/350 figures. We will be stocking them when they are available. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Terence Wong-Lane" Subject: Jean Bart references again................ Dear Kevin Woodruff, Thanks, yes I already have the Garzke, Dulin & Webb book; well the 1st edition anyway. I am not totally convinced by this title's coverage of the Richelieu class. For example, the small sketches of the class show the incorrect model 100mm gun mountings on the Richelieu, Clémenceau and Gascogne. Once again, thanks. Regards, Terry, London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Terence Wong-Lane" Subject: Alsace designs as well......... Dear SMML, would any of you be able to recommend good or definitive references for the projected Alsace class French Battleship design please? I know this is firmly in the realm of "neverweres", but they hold my interest anyway. The Robert Dumas book on the Jean Bart states that Admiral Darlan selected the 9 x 15" version, type 1, apparently because it represented a relatively small departure from the size of the Richelieu. However Garzke, Dulin & Webb seem to prefer the 12 x 15" version, type 3. In their view it was a more logical development of the Richelieu/Gascogne type. I would be interested to hear about any other information on the Alsace class; it would give me something to build with the leftovers from my current batch of Richelieu/Jean Bart kits! Many thanks, Terry Wong. London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SolidStump Subject: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model >> I'm planning on building a 1/48 radio controlled model of the Queen Mary and was wondering if anyone on the group has made a similar size model. If so, I could use a few tips and ideas. My main worry is in keeping the fiberglass mould rigid when it's taken off the plug and while I'm making the actual hull. Since it's going to be almost 19 feet long, with straight and quite high sides I'm really worried about the mould twisting or sagging. << After laying up the mould, you need to make a rigid frame around the mould halves. Plywood "bulkheads" arranged to support the sides of the mould with aluminum rails along the length of the hull should work. (One shipbuilder used an aluminum ladder as his building jig.) Imagine you draw the hull crossections on a nice oversize square piece of plywood then cut out the bulkheads for the hull - what is left minus the thickness of the mould walls more or less, is what you need to use to support the sides. These bulkheads need to be tied together with appropriately sized aluminum rails. You actually need to have two halves to complement the mould halves with means to fasten them together for casting the hull. Why would you cast a hull this size? Typically you only make moulds if you intend to do more than one hull. Typical building techniques with a covering of fiberglass should yield a fine hull. My $.02. Good luck Simon Scheuer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "KLW" Subject: Re: 350 scale round figures There are some 6mm Army figures available from CinC as well as a couple British companies. They are used for wargaming WWII. Scales out to 6'8", but by sanding the feet a bit, will work just fine. I used them until I switched over to the photoetch people. At this scale and with some good paint it is hard to tell the difference. Kevin Wenker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "William H. Shuey" Subject: Re: Yamato Class >> I am attempting to locate plans and info on these IJN vessels in order to create 1/350 replicas for my educational programs. I believe that Tamiya produces the Yamato and Musashi in 1/350 while the Shinano will have to be scratch built on a Tamiya hull. Suggestions are appreciated. << Bob: For reference on the Yamato class get a copy of: "The Battleship Yamato" from The Anatomy of the Ship series, bu Janusz Skulski. It was first published in the U.K. by Conway Maritime press in 1988 and then reprinted in 1990 and 1995. The American Edition was published in the U.S. by The Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, Maryland, 21402-5035. ISBN 0-87021-019-X r.e. the Shinano; There was a 1/450 scale model released some years ago, I believe by Hasegawa. Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SeaPhoto Subject: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model At that size, you are almost beyond a model and into a full size boat. You would not go wrong by investigating full size practices therefore - in other words, find a book on full size fiberglass boat manufacture, read it, and make sure you understand it before making such a great investment in time and materials. See if there are any videos out on the subject - I think Ship Shape TV out of the US had a visit to one of the pleasure boat makers, and watching this would be a good idea too. If you have not made a fiberglass mold before, I would strongly urge you to start with something smaller, to get an idea of how the materials will work for you. I have seen many projects like this started, but few are brought to completion. Learn how to work with plugs, molds, gel coats and there other components before spending hundreds of dollars or more. You will need a very strong mold in order to withstand the stress of parting. Even with proper release and wax coats, those critters just don't want to leave the mold easily. Wooden wedges help, as does shooting compressed air between part and mold, but even in the best production model some damage is possible or even inevitable after enough pulls. I suspect you are not undertaking mass production with this project, but you will still need a mold massive enough not to be destroyed during the process of master removal. I have seen many materials embedded in molds, from wood to metal, strengthening stress areas. Strengthening the hull once it is removed from the mold is relatively easy, and can be accomplished with internal frames of plywood. You can also glass in strips in the flat areas to add rigidity where needed, and deck edge strips can contribute to this as well. Good luck with this ambitious project! Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography - onboard details and overhead views of modern warships www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway - learn about large scale radio control warship models. www.warshipmodelsunderway.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: andrew jones Subject: Misc * Army 37mm guns on PT Boats , yep there sure were..also cannons from the P-39's ..they also added rockets amongst others * 1/48 Queen Mary ...if you dont get get a response, you should try taskforce 72 as im sure they would have knowledge with that stuff regards Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: 88s on E-Boats: Not >> Sure Steve, but it would look kinda cool. << Gene, I was referring to a "Darwin Award" recipient, who was found as a spot on a rock face when his '74 Chevy Nova with a JATO affixed to the roof reached "Warp 9" and was unable to negotiate the curve in the road. In other words, "His inertia was not able to exceed the mass of the mountain". Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: a challenge >> No sulfites, hmmmmm? Then both combatants are hereby invited to the South Farm Field of Honour, to use Caroline's home brew as the weapon of choice--no sulfites. OTOH Steve, think of the weight you're gonna lose.... << "Having fun with Mass" My mother called me the other day and told me she wanted to remove an old dead tree from the back yard of her house. So, I drove over, went into the back yard, observed said dead tree, about 15ft. tall, took a run, leap and tackle. Down comes the tree. That's when I get the use the chain saw! Cut it up into nice pieces of fire wood and me mums happy! Still 6'-5'' and 235lbs 'aint bad for 40 year old kid, Steve Wiper P.S. Do not challenge me to "Fear Factor". I could probably pass the physical parts, but no way am I going to eat live grub worms in raw 12 day old fish mush, or what ever gross out they are trying to do this week! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model Regarding Colm O'Leary's projected 1:48 Queen Mary RC model: Although I have not built anything that size myself, I strongly recommend he buy a copy of William Mowll's BUILDING A WORKING MODEL WARSHIP - HMS WARRIOR 1860 or/and S.S. GREAT BRITAIN - THE MODEL SHIP by the same author. All is made clear in those pages. Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SteveWiper Subject: Re: F1M2 Japanese Floatplane >> Does anyone knows were can I find drawings of the folding wing system of the Mitsubishi F1M2 'PETE' floatplane? The drawing in Skulski is not elucidative. << Ah, there ya go again, Nuno! Use'n 'dem big words. I actually had to look that one up. Please, just use the simple words, like "The drawing just is not good enough". Now, I do not believe the "Pete" had folding wings, but the "Jake" did. There is a recent book out by Model Art Publishers of Japan with excellent drawings of many of the IJN floatplanes titled "Imperial Japanese Navy Seaplanes". I looked in this, but again there are no details of the folding mechanism in that book. I would post this request on the www.combinedfleet.com "J-ship" message board. Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: 88s and E-Boats From: Ricjus001 >>> That would be like mounting a JATO to the roof of your Chevy Nova. << Have you tried it, Steve? "Wow" doesnt describe the kickback adequately. <<< Actually, it was done for a show on TLC, Discovery, or one of those channels to debunk the "jato/rato boosted car plastered to a hillside 'somewhere' in Arizona" urban myth. That car did go pretty fast... David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: 1/48 Queen Mary model cjoleary >> I'm planning on building a 1/48 radio controlled model of the Queen Mary and was wondering if anyone on the group has made a similar size model....... Since it's going to be almost 19 feet long, with straight and quite high sides I'm really worried about the mould twisting or sagging. << Criminy, that's a big model! BTW, there's a fairly large naval vessel moored in a water hazard near me at the Navy Golf Course in Los Alamitos. David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Bill Weckel Subject: Tauro & Trumpeter Italian Cruisers Anyone know if these are the same kits? TIA, Bill Weckel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "James Baumann" Subject: Re: 1:48 scale model of Queen Mary You did not state which country you live in, but here in the UK there is a very highquality large scale model about 20 feet long housed in the Southampton Maritime museum on the south coast which has been an inspiration for me for many years.... If you ARE UK based then I reccomend a visit( while you are at it you can visit me and my models with a cup of tea!!) JIM BAUMANN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SeaPhoto Subject: Sovremennyy Photo CD now available Hello Everyone, I am happy to announce another new product from SeaPhoto Photography, a detailed look at a Russian Sovremennyy class destroyer. The disk includes 86 photos for the Nastoychivyy (Pennant number 610). This includes a few overall views, and lots and lots of details, including the major weapon systems and radars. This disk is a superdetailers delight! And to sweeten the deal a bit, I am including 36 shots of another Russian ship, the Smol'nyy, and 59 shots of a new Krivak class Frigate built for the Indian Navy,the Talwar, which features a new stealthy superstructure. All photos are high resolution, 2500 pixels across or better, and are of excellent quality. Cost is $ 14.99 + 2.00 s/h in the US, $ 3.00 anywhere else in the world. For more information, and some lower resolution samples, please follow this link: http://wmunderway.8m.com/seaphoto/catalog/CDsales/sovremennyy.html Be sure to check out the other CD's I offer too. I accept Paypal, check or money order. Cordially, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography - onboard details and overhead views of modern warships www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway - learn about large scale radio control warship models. www.warshipmodelsunderway.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume