Subject: SMML VOL 2265 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 02:30:45 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 88s on E-Boats: Not 2: Challenge 3: Re: 1:48 scale model of Queen Mary 4: Re: Yamato 5: Re: No Beer and No Wine make Steve Wiper... 6: Folding wings on "Pete" 7: Re: O Class Minelayers 8: Re: G and I class 9: Re: new Mirage 1/400 Soviet naval releases 10: Prinz Eugen 11: Re: R. Chesneaus book on Pocket Battleships ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Lou Meszaros" Subject: Re: 88s on E-Boats: Not Steve, there is a show that deals with Urban Legends where they found a car of the same make and strapped a rocket to the top that was equal or more in force to a jato. They then r/c'd the car and flew along side in a helicopter. The end result was tires firmly on the ground. The same segment also dealt with "pop rocks" and drinking cola at the same time, they used a pig's stomach for the experiment. The end result is put an 88 on your e-boat, it can be done. Now, what is left of the boat after firing is another matter. Makes me think of the saying "What are the last words a redneck says?...."Hey ya'll, watch this!" Lou "just a little bit of levity" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Kelvin Mok Subject: Challenge >> My mother called me the other day and told me she wanted to remove an old dead tree from the back yard of her house. << Now that you started it, this reminds me of a story thus: Young Tom just started his tree surgeon business and was contracted to remove a large tree stump by a farmer. One look and Tom decided it was a dynamite job. Being new to the trade he wasn't quite sure how much dynamite to use so he made a great show of measuring the stump while he figured what to do. Finally he couldn't stall any longer and went ahead. Boom. He must have put in a bit too much. The stump left a neat hole in the ground and arched gracefully into the air to land on Tom truck's cab. The farmer was impressed. "Hey, with a bit more practice you will get that to land on the truck bed the next time." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: 1:48 scale model of Queen Mary The Los Angeles Maritime Museum in San Pedro (http://www.lamaritimemuseum.org/) has a 1:48 scale model of the RMS Queen Mary -- actually the 20th Century Fox S.S. Poseidon "miniature" for the 1972 movie "The Poseidon Adventure". Here's some photos of the model: http://www.theposeidonadventure.com/chris1.htm http://www.theposeidonadventure.com/pa_scenes1.htm At 21.5 feet in length, the minimum turning distance will be larger than most park lakes! You might want to add bow thrusters or have a tug on standby (maybe even that salvage tug from the forgettable sequel "Beyond the Poseidon Adventure"? The museum also has half-models of the Titanic and Lusitania, both in 1:48 scale and with full interior detail. The builder is supposingly working on the Normandie, but frankly I don't know where they will find room for it. By the way, David N. Lombard mentioned about the Los Alamitos golf course warship. I believe that's the cruiser USS Los Angeles, and it also might be in 1:48 scale. Unfortunately, I can't get close enough to examine it. David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: pnwa1 Subject: Re: Yamato Hello all and thanks for your replies in regards to my Yamato Class question. It would appear that I have much research to conduct and you have been most helpful. I am still open to suggestions and input that you may have. These 3 will be deplicted as they were on their final sorties in 1/350 scale. One other question.....I know it has been posted but I am unable to find the link or ref notes on applying wood decking to the New Jersey I am working on....I am usiing HO scale 1X3's but don't know what the length should be. Also, what are the actual dimensions for the the real teak? Also, have there ever been aftermarket parts such as turned gun barrels produced in 1/350 scale and who has produced them? Thanks again... Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sab1156 Subject: Re: No Beer and No Wine make Steve Wiper... Dear Joseph, You do not need to suffer from not-beer-drinking syndrom! Just go for the imported german beers,because this chemicals are banned by law in german beers! Believe me,I know how you are feeling,I had a hernia und had to stay away from the beer too, but what is life without beer??? Best Regards Detlef ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mike C" Subject: Folding wings on "Pete" The Pete did have folding wings and there are good drawings in Maru Mexhanic #20 (if you can find one). Rectangular panels at the wing roots folded up and the wings folded back at the aft main spar. The wing floats also folded outward. Exposed areas were solid on the lower wing and the trellis framwork of the ribs were visible on the upper wing. I hope that helps make sense of the sources you have. Mike C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Re: O Class Minelayers In Vol 2259 MRCSCARDON asked >> Does anyone know of plans showing the upper and side views of the stern of the four ships? I have the O to Z book that solves all my problems except that. I want to build an O minelayer from the Skywave/Tamiya kit. << Apologies for late response - I don't see any other responses to this. I don't have plans but do have a photo of Opportune which shows what I think you are after. Whilst four were capable, they weren't used in that role until March 1945 - very last minute. In all cases with the cruiser minelayer Apollo, Opportune and Orwell laid minefields in the Shetland-Faeroe gap in March 1945, and multiple loads along the "east coast" (location unspecified) between 7 and 13 April inclusive. They were joined by Obedient to lay a minefield off Kola Inlet on 22 April (not overly appreciated by the Russians). To perform the minelaying role the three ships had to visit a dockyard to have the torpedo tubes (both sets) removed. The rails were always in place. First to in March, Obedient in April. These were not replaced until after the war. Obdurate was not used in this role (she was repairing self inflicted damage at the time - tossed a large pattern of depth charges whilst proceeding at only half the recommended minimum speed). They form an interesting comparison with the E and I class minelayer destroyers who had the whalers moved up abaft the bridge to make more deck space for the rails (permentant feature) and when minelaying lost not only the torpedo tubes but also A and Y turrets for stability reasons. One of each was lost in this configuration. All three classes carried the same load - 60 mines. I have accumulated some scans of photos of the O Class. I have made the Opportune in Dec 43 fit (Battle of North Cape). The Tamiya kit needs a heap of work and I have extensive notes on this that others have found useful. Contact me on john.sutherland[@]amcom.co.nz if I can assist further. Regards John Sutherland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Re: G and I class My thanks to those that responded on this subject. I now know more about the G s in particular, and the early and mid-war appearances of the Is. There seems to be a void of info on the mid 44 to war end camo for the older destroyers. I am leaning to the theory that many destroyers carried Admiratly Standard scheme A - I have seen Hotspur, Onslow and J, K & Ns and even a corvette in that scheme - Hotspur was a WA ship like the surviving Is - but also dark hull light upper works schemes (eg Obdurate and a pile of ships in Warship perspectives Vol 3). Others like Starling and others in 2SG seem to have gone to an overall light grey (B55?) scheme. Still others seem to have retained the Admiralty disruptive scheme (eg Marne). The most common seems to be the G20/G45 Admiratly Standard scheme A which seems to have been applied regardless of theatre or function - a distinct change from previous theatre specific schemes - anyone know the thinking behind this? Comments appreciated from a frustrated modeller who doesn't want to do ALL his models in 39-43 fits. Regards John Sutherland Porirua, New Zealand ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Harold Stockton" Subject: Re: new Mirage 1/400 Soviet naval releases I noticed these new Mirage 1/400 Soviet naval releases on the Hannants' website at: http://www.hannants.co.uk MIRAGE Ship kits (not waterline) MIR40420 1:400 Tarantul II Missile Corvette £5.99 £5.10 MIR40421 1:400 RKA-72 Tarantul IV Corvette with Kortik system £5.99 £5.10 MIR40422 1:400 Project 1241.8 Missile Corvette with AA URAN system £5.99 £5.10 MIR40423 1:400 PSKR-219 Pauk I KGB Guardship £5.99 £5.10 MIR40424 1:400 MPK254 PAUK I small ASW ship £5.99 £5.10 MIR40425 1:400 BG-50 Grigoriy Kuropatnikov PAUK I Ukrainian Navy £5.99 £5.10 There is a complete listing of all of Mirage's 1/400 ship models from their WW-I torpedo boat subjects, to their WW-II German (almost all versions produced during the war) and Japanese submarines, and British destroyers, to some interesting diorama subjects. You should be able to order these from Hannants or some of the other on-line hobby shops. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Perry Tolliver" Subject: Prinz Eugen I heard about some gentleman trying to get enough money to raise and restore the Prinz Eugen. Is this true? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Re: R. Chesneaus book on Pocket Battleships Dave Thanks for the update on Roger Chesneaus' book on pocket battleships. I hope it gets published someday soon Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume