Subject: SMML VOL 2266 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:20:44 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hobby Stores in the Columbia SC area 2: Synder & Short Paint Chip Series 3: Re: R. Chesneaus book on Pocket Battleships 4: Re: Prinz Eugen 5: Re: Prinz Eugen 6: 'O' class Minelayers 7: Re: 88 on E-Boat 8: Re: Challenge 9: Coaling at sea 10: Folding wings on "Pete" 11: Re: New Mirage kits 12: Lindberg Fletcher PE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John McNutt Subject: Hobby Stores in the Columbia SC area I just moved to Columbia SC and was wondering if anyone knew of a good hobby store in the area. John McNutt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Synder & Short Paint Chip Series Hi I have a question concerning Synder and Shorts Paint chip series. Currently there are at least 3 companies basing a paint series for naval or commercial ships. They are White Ensign Models, Badger, and Model Master. My question is directed at the choice of 1937 Standard Navy Gray #5. The book USN CAMOUFLAGE OF THE WW2 era by the Floating Drydock Co. lists there were 3 shades :Standard Navy Gray A, B, and C. A is light gray, B is called Ocean Gray or Medium Gray and C is called Dark Gray. Which shade was selected to be the color chosen for the paint chip. Because Model Master issues a light gray color and Badger issues a neutral Gray color paint. Model Master comes very close to the S&S chip. I don't have the White Ensign colour coat bottle of this for comparison at the moment. Because while watching a video of the movie Dive Bomber it has scenes of a peace time Enterprise CV-6 sailing in almost light whitish gray. While an escorting destroyer in the back ground appears to match the chip selected in the series. My reason for asking is that in the winter maybe I'll do a diaorama of peace time Navy 1940 at a dock. Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: RDChesneau Subject: Re: R. Chesneaus book on Pocket Battleships Just seen this thread. Hey, if anyone gets to know what's happening, I'd like to know too! Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Tom Tom Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen >> I heard about some gentleman trying to get enough money to raise and restore the Prinz Eugen. Is this true? << Yes, he has a web site... seems feasible except it would probably be cheaper to build a new one from scratch see Tom K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen Yes, there has been a webpage by Mr. Brandes about raising the PRINZ EUGEN and making her into a floating center and symbol for world peace and understanding. Mr. Brandes' proposal has been around for many years. Mr. Brandes has even written a book about it, I think. I have tried to contact him many times, but I got no response. The whole thing sounds like a wild dream, although it has a great deal of very interesting points of merits. The whole project is described in great detail http://www.brandes.de/pg/PG/Pg_home.htm. I think Mr. Brandes owns an environmental protection company (www.brandes.de). Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: 'O' class Minelayers In reply to M. Scardon and any other SMMLies who may be interested. The writer asked concerning the conversion of the Tamiya 'O' class desroyer 700 kit to a minelaying sister ship. I recently had the pleasure of researching and building this kit adding the excellent WEM P.E. and if I may share the conclusions that I reached it would be that; it would be a considerable and difficult task to convert or build this kit to any other ship than the Onslow or Pakenham. Information and rumour that this kit may form the basis for any of the emergency war classes is in my opinion entirly misleading. Leaving open the possibility of a huge class and variety of ships that are unrepresented by the model manufacturers. In evidence may I present the fact that the kit already scales out at some 16ft short. All subsequent classes were lengthened by increasing increments. In trying to find some area or the hull where a suitable splice could be made I could find none and decided that the hull as a whole was foreshortened. Overwhelming this by far is the detail of the bridge and fo'c'sle. The kit represents a unique long fo'c'sle design of 'Onslow' and "Pakenham' exclusively. Built as flotilla leaders pre war style with the added accomadation and communications in the bridge structure enlarging and lengthening the whole. The differeces are readily obvious by a simple photographic comparison. To shorten the foredeck and rebuild the bridge as a sister ship would be somewhat tricky. The external bridge details of the kit also leave something to be desired but may be corrected by straightforeward scrape and scratchbuild techniques. The armaments are 'Onslow' [ex pakenham] 4 x 4.7'', 1 x 4", 4 tt. 'Pakenham' [ex onslow] 4 x 4", 8 tt with Y gun unshielded. Build this kit as any other ship at your peril, but good luck anyway. May i reccomend The Encyclopaedia of Sea Warfare ; Leisure Books 1975; various authors. containing a useful double page plan and elevation of 'Onslow'. Shane, may I respectfully suggest an addition to your very handy build up and review to this effect! Keep on modelling. Yours in Hawaii , Darshan "Pour encourager les autres"!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Richa5011 Subject: Re: 88 on E-Boat Lou wrote with tongue in cheek: >> Makes me think of the saying "What are the last words a redneck says?...."Hey ya'll, watch this!" << Or as poet Robert Browning stated it: "Man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or in other words, what's a heaven for!". Actually, I think the real issue of mounting a 88 on an E-Boat would be weight (from gun, extra crew and ammuntion) and this extra weight would inturn effect trim. That being said...it's only a model, so give it a try. The Germans were fond of mounting big guns on both tanks and aircraft (Hs 129 with 75mm AT Gun)...why not see what it looks like. Nat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Re: Challenge Kelvin Mok's story brings to mind dynamiting the whale in Oregon. You can download a copy of the news report video from here: http://perp.com/whale/video.html Oh yeah. Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Coaling at sea The coal-fired battleship question brought to mind two interesting papers I read. "Coaling Warships from Colliers in Harbor" by Spencer Miller Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers (SNAME) Transactions 18:125-142 (1910) This includes 15 illustrations, photographs and drawings of the US Collier Vestal coaling the USS Michigan. They show details of the equipment, rigging, and men. Holy stretched sprue, Batman, that's a lot of rigging. The second paper is much more interesting: "The Coaling of the U.S.S. Massachusetts at Sea" by Spencer Miller SNAME Trans. 8:155-166 (1900) It describes the equipment used and trail coaling of the USS Massachusetts while steaming along at 6 knots. Again, there are 15 illustrations, including many drawings of the equipment involved and rigging, as well as a few photographs. Basically the battleship tows the collier 300-400 feet astern, with a tramway between the two that shuttles the bags of coal from one to the other. It takes only 20 seconds to make a one-way trip. I scanned a few images and you may access them as below: http://dbwilde.home.comcast.net/NavalScans//CoalMASS1.jpg 250K shows the U.S.S. Collier Marcellus delivering coal at sea to the U.S.S. Massachusetts. This shows the general arrangement of the two ships. There is a main cable that goes from Massachusetts to the collier and a sea anchor it is dragging astern http://dbwilde.home.comcast.net/NavalScans//CoalMASS2.jpg 159K is a side view of the ships underway. http://dbwilde.home.comcast.net/NavalScans//CoalMASS3.jpg 160K are photographs from the USS Massachusetts as the bags of coal come across. Onboard the MASS is a chute that guides the bags to the deck. http://dbwilde.home.comcast.net/NavalScans//CoalMASS4.jpg 74K is the carriage with load of 840 lbs. in transit. The upper rope is the sea anchor line or main cable; the two lower ropes are the conveyor line. Apparently the main cable is not necessary, the conveyor lines can support the shuttle while carrying coal. Much of the discussion in the paper refers to the recent conflict with Spain! SNAME Transactions are a gold mine of photographs and drawings. And what a source of ideas for dioramas! Raising sunken Holland type submarines...launching subs from the decks of ships...torpedo boats forming a flying wedge on their run to Cuba...and many, many photos and detailed drawings of the launching of battleships. With the increased interest in ships of this era, get to a good university library with some serious pocket change and photocopy. They also have a 75 page (101 figure) article by the Salvage Superintendent of the USS Oklahoma "The Salvage of U.S.S. Oklahoma" by Capt. F. H. Whitaker SNAME Trans. 52:133-209 (1944) Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Folding wings on "Pete" Mike C wrote: >> The Pete did have folding wings and there are good drawings in Maru Mexhanic #20 (if you can find one). Rectangular panels at the wing roots folded up and the wings folded back at the aft main spar. The wing floats also folded outward. Exposed areas were solid on the lower wing and the trellis framwork of the ribs were visible on the upper wing. I hope that helps make sense of the sources you have. << Thanks for your help. N.Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: EDWARD GRUNE Subject: Re: New Mirage kits Harold Stockton wrote about the new Russian/Former Soviet Union ships from Mirage available from Hannants. I bought several of them from Squadron back in May. The Tarantula III and the Hiddensee appear to be based on the old INNEX kits. I'm waiting for Mirage to release the brass sets for them. They look nice and do not have a lot of parts, but they suffer from some "1:400 scale clunkiness" What should be lattice-work masts are solid with some engraved lines and antennas are big as tree trunks. With some replacement etched masts & yardarms, and some other detail items (missile hatches, radar dishes, props and rails) like Mirage did with their subs and torpedo boats - these kits can be very nicely turned out. BTW - Glen at Squadron said that they are expecting Mirage's 4-pipe destroyer kit later this fall -- perhaps timed to coincide with Squadron's next In-Action book on 4-pipers [IIRC it is due in November]. There is another kit which will need brass. Mirage, are you listening? Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: gail mcleish Subject: Lindberg Fletcher PE I'm looking for etched brass fittings 1-125 scale for the lindberg fletcher class destroyer & prices. thankyou ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume