Subject: SMML VOL 2274 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:24:51 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Question about USS Constitution 2: Sunken wreck found -S.S. Tennessee 3: Re: Rule Britannia 4: Dixielexia 5: Re: Yamato: Another Question 6: O class destroyers and Tamiya kit 7: Rule Britannia 8: Re: Camouflage 9: Re: photo of Ark Royal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: QE camouflage ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Garrett Subject: Question about USS Constitution This has probably passed by the bulletin board in the past, but would like to ask a few questions conering the painting on "Old Ironsides" ca. 1812. Was the hull gun line painted white (as today) or yellow ochre? Likewise the applicable portions of the masts? What were the color of her boats. I understand that if a ship had more than one boat of the same type (gig, cutter, etc.) that they would be painted a different color (white, green, blue) to allow them to be distinguished at a distance. Was the Constitution's so painted and, if so, what color(s)? What was the color of the gun carriages? Any help would be appreciated... thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Kutina Subject: Sunken wreck found -S.S. Tennessee http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.asp?category=1110&slug=Shipwreck%20Discovery Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Rule Britannia http://www.britannia.com/rulebrit.html Rule Britannia a song by Thomas Augustine Arne, 1740 When Britain first at Heav'n's command Arose from out the azure main; This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sang this strain; Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. The nations not so blest as thee, Shall in their turns to tyrants fall; While thou shalt flourish great and free, The dread and envy of them all. Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. Still mor majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke; As the loud blast that tears the skies, Serves but to root thy native oak. Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame, All their attempts to bend thee down Will but arouse thy generous flame; But work their woe, and thy renown. Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. To thee belongs the rural reign; They cities shall with commerce shine; All thine shall be the subject main, And every shore it circles thine. Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. The Muses, still with freedom found, Shall to thy happy coast repair; Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crowned, And manly hearts to juide the fair. Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. Composed by Thomas Augustine Arne in 1740 for his masque Alfred, 'RuIe, Britannia!' was first heard at a performance given at Cliefden House, Maidenhead - then the residence of Frederick, Prince of Wales - when the masque was given to celebrate the accession of George I and the birthday of the Princess Augusta. This most popular of all English national airs was first heard in London in 1745 and achieved instant popularity. So well known was it that Handel even quoted it in his Occasional Oratorio in the following year when it was sung to the words, 'War shall cease, welcome peace!'. Predictably 'Rule, Britannia!' was seized upon by the Jacobites and James Thomson's words were altered accordingly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: mnob Subject: Dixielexia Rule what???? Spell it proper like and the words will appear as part of the first hit of your google search. OK so try http://www.britannia.com/rulebrit.html Maurice ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Yamato: Another Question >> What about the 127 mm? Beeing their main purpose AA fire, and considering their intrinsic firing dispersion rate, I guess that both barrels always fired at the same elevation, wich simplified, among other technical problems, the charging procedures. << Yes, the 127mm AA and the 25mm AA weapons had their barrels tied together just like the multiple barreled 40mm allied AA. Regards, Duane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: O class destroyers and Tamiya kit Resonding to a recent posting on this thread may I submit that it would be unwise to include the Q's ans R's in the O & P group. They would seem to be more closely related to the JKN family than the OP's, though visually not dissimilar. The OP's had low fuel bunkerage and when the Fleet Cruising Speed was raised to 20 kts were found to have inadequate range to keep up. Thus the Q's and R's were lengthened by 13 ft with added fuel tanks at 'A' magazine to fulfill this role, The O's and P's were very wet for'd [ Petard, Fighting Destroyer. Connell] The S's onwards introduced the 'Tribal' bow with greater rake, greater flare, concave stem, to deflect sea added to the transom stern alrady brought in with the R's. Individual ships completed with updated radar, differing internal arrangements and increased A/A armament. Quilliam ,the Q leader, was externally similar to her flotilla mates. Re photo of Quilliam and Quickmatch covering Indomitable 4th May 1945 during kamikaze attack. Onslow is without 'Y' gun 10th Dec 1942 Re photo p72 RN in Focus WWII. In conclusion the Tamiya kit is still limited to represent as boxed Onslow or Packenham. Yours in Hawaii. Darshan "Pour encourager les autres" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Tony Mattson" Subject: Rule Britannia >> WOULD ONE OF YOU KIND FOLKS PLEASE LEAD ME TO A WEB SITE WHERE I CAN FIND THE LYRICS TO THE ABOVE? << Howdy Duckman, try this address. The site index lists a heap of other Napoleonic era 'pop' songs as well http://www.napoleonguide.com/music_rulebrit.htm cheers Tony Mattson Editor- Mailship Scale Marine Modellers Inc. Auckland, NZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: roger.antrobus Subject: Re: Camouflage Hello Bert Many thanks for your detailed and informative reply......do you know where I can get hold of Roland Carter's videos? Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: photo of Ark Royal Wow! I have to confess that it bears a striking resembalance to Measure 12 camouflage. This states that the lower colour be taken up to the first sheer line or in the case of carriers the level of the hanger deck. I'm wondering about the irregular shaped marks at the stern and the rectangular patches at the bow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: QE camouflage You need the camouflage books in the Warship Perspective series. See your dealer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume