Subject: SMML VOL 2275 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:53:52 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Constitution 2: Sunken wreck found -S.S. Tennessee 3: Re: G-5 MTB book 4: Re: Naval Video Time Capsules 5: Re: Photo of Ark Royal 6: USS Constitution colors in 1812 7: Re: Onslow and 'Y' Gun 8: Re: Rule Britannia 9: Shershen Class Torpedo Boat 10: Re: camouflage 11: Heller Lafayette Frigate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Videos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Leonard, Michael W" Subject: Re: USS Constitution David Garrett asked - >> This has probably passed by the bulletin board in the past, but would like to ask a few questions conering the painting on "Old Ironsides" ca. 1812. << You might check out a new Osprey/New Vanguard book called "American Heavy Frigates 1794-1826". Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Kutina Subject: Sunken wreck found -S.S. Tennessee http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.asp?category=1110&slug=Shipwreck%20Discovery http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3158629.stm Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ALROSS2 Subject: Re: G-5 MTB book Just received a copy of a 48-page softcover monograph on the Soviet G-5 MTB. I can't comment on the accuracy of the text as it is almost entirely in Russian and I lack the ability to competently translate it. The photo captions do have an English translation, however, so that helps a bit. The monograph is printed on quality coated stock, so the photos reproduce well. Quite a few of the photos are close-ups and provide a lot of detail of the various series of G-5s. Also included are a number of color renderings and some very detailed and well-drawn 1/72 scale plans, the latter including outboard plans and profiles for several different boats, an inboard profile, lines and sections, and details. The nature and detail of the drawings suggests that the drafter had access to official plans. The back cover has two recent color photos of TK-52 mounted as a memorial in a park. I bought this book from a company specializing in Russian and Soviet books - Atlantic Crossroads (www.collectrussia.com) - and am very pleased to have it in my collection. Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: Naval Video Time Capsules Hi, The Naval Video Time Capsules were put together by Roland Smith (may he rest in peace), not Roland Carter. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: Photo of Ark Royal Hi SMML, WR's photo of the Ark Royal was published in the article "Aircraft to Malta" in Warship 1990, where the photo is credited to MoD (Ministry of Defence); I think that means it would now be at the Imperial War Museum photograph archive. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: billkaja Subject: USS Constitution colors in 1812 This information was posted on the Seaways Ships in Scale group a few years ago, by Ray Morton. Ray has done a lot of research using primary source documents, as part of a book project. Quoting Ray: "The question often arises, *How was **Constitution** painted?* The answers seem to be varied and they seldom seem to match primary documentation. Here is what is known at this writing to me to be the best color information for *Constitution* for only some of her configurations and time periods: In her early years, *Constitution* was always tarred below the four gun strakes, probably until the 1906 overhaul. As-built in 1797 through 1811, she had yellow ochre (50:50 with white lead -- still a brownish-yellow but not as dull) gun strakes, gun tompions, gallery trim, bowsprit, and lower masts as well as two pin stripes leading aft along the hull from the head rails. The stern had a lampblack ground with white lead, vermilion, medium-light blue, and light yellow ochre trim. The ship-s name is not on the stern in 1812 (see Captain Hull-s model of September 1812 at the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem, Massachusetts). The weather rails were lampblack for all periods. ONLY the four one-inch recessed gun strakes received the contrasting color -- NEVER a broad band of color that I have ever been able to document. The gun strakes were white lead from 1811 through 1815 off and on with yellow ochre (to include a change in the color of the quarter gallery trim and, likely, the gun tompions) and were yellow ochre again from 1815 until the 1817 overhaul when the US Navy was changing to uniform white lead gun strakes in almost all its ships, to include white lead inner bulwarks and waterways from about 1817 as well." Ray has a lot more to say: You can read it for yourself in the Seaways archives: http://www.seaways.com/subarc99/constitution.htm Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Onslow and 'Y' Gun I almost hate to say this, but the other photos in the set taken at the same time show 'Y' gun very clearly. I have the photos in front of me as I write this. FOUR guns my boy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Tom Tom Subject: Re: Rule Britannia >> Rule Britannia a song by Thomas Augustine Arne, 1740 When Britain first at Heav'n's command Arose from out the azure main; This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sang this strain; Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves: Britons never will be slaves. << All I can say is that those are none of the verses I learned playing rugby... the rugby version also has interesting hand gestures and body motions that go with the words. Tom K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "dengar" Subject: Shershen Class Torpedo Boat I have a set of Russian Plans and am looking for reference photographs of this class of boat. Any help would be very appreciated. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "bert" Subject: Re: camouflage G'day Roger, I cannot find the address in the English "Navy News" I know that roland died in march of this year, and I did get a "buzz" that maritime books of lodge hill.liskeard cornwall PL14 4EL. had taken over the distribution of them. try www.navybooks.com see what comes up. Yours Aye (TaT) I now live in OZ and it's remarkable how the "buzzes" still arrive here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Heller Lafayette Frigate I saw this new model at AAA Hobbies (Stevens International) in Magnolia, NJ this past weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Videos Hi Roger, >> Many thanks for your detailed and informative reply......do you know where I can get hold of Roland Carter's videos? << Right here at White Ensign Models. It's the Naval Video Time Capsule series. Be sure to specify whether you want PAL or NTSC format. 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