Subject: SMML VOL 2277 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:41:51 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Leighton Model Club 2: Re: Flying Boat Loire 130 3: Loire 130 colours 4: Re: British flags 5: Lafayette Frigate Kit 6: DIXIELEXIC 7: Some CSS Hunley trivia 8: Re: USS Constitution 9: Yamato: Two more questions 10: USS Atlanta (CL-51) Camo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GAZWE Subject: Leighton Model Club Hi all would any one of you uk readers know where i can contact LEIGHTON MODEL BOAT CLUB cheers Gary r uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Flying Boat Loire 130 Take a look at the Azur 1/72 model at: http://www.elleemmeshop.com/model1/Hann_a/azur/AZUR7204.jpg The HS2 designation appears to be right for surveillance planes aboard Dunkerque. "Some of the French Navy ships carried observation and fighter sea-planes. Those aircraft as well as their crews belonged to the ship's companies and were under the orders of the captains. They were not organized in squadrons but for administrative and identification purposes only, they carried markings similar to those carried in squadrons. Those markings were as follows: - HS2: 1st Battleships squadron (observation). - HC2: 1st Battleships squadron (fighters). - HS3: Light cruisers (Mediterranean). - HS4: Light cruisers (Atlantic). - HS5: Heavy cruisers. - HS6: Far East Fleet. -HS7:Independant ships." copied from: http://aerostories.free.fr/odb/page3.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "L'Arsenal" Subject: Loire 130 colours Hello, The loire 130 found onboard Dunkerque in early 1942 had the following color scheme: Overall fuselage, wings, engine: silver Propeller blades: black Underside of hull and side floats: black Horizontal and vertical tailplane: red and orange yellow stripes Rudder: French colors, blue always front Dunkerque insignia was a white triangle just aft the observer's station with a drawing of Dunkerque as seen from the bow. On the drawing, main guns were prominent. But at the date you mention the insignia was probably no longer painted on the aircraft. Aircraft code was HS in black followed by the number of the aircraft in white on a black square. Hope this helps! Best regards from Normandie, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal www.larsenal.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: British flags >> OH YEAH, ONE MORE THING: WHERE CAN I GET A UNION JACK AND A WHITE ENSIGN IN 3" X 5"? << Hey David, Most decent flag shops should carry them, but if you can't find any in the good old south, I can send some down from Canada. BUT, only if you promise to start using small case letters mixed in with your caps! ; ) DaRrEn ScAnNeLl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Lafayette Frigate Kit Regarding Mr. Katz's posting in 2275, I got samples for review on the new Heller 1/400 scale Lafayette (F-710) kit (#81035). Actually, I have two, one a standard kit and the other is the version including paints in small poly cannisters, a tube of glue and a brush for new and/or younger modelers (#71021). Thanks, Heller, for supporting kids in the hobby! This is a full hull model molded in light gray. Nice job on the hull and one-piece superstructure/deck moldings. The propellers are neat units showing the scimitar shape to the blades and the fittings are what you would expect from Heller's latest kits--very nice. Can't vouch for the hull's accuracy as I don't have general arrangement/lines plans for these ships, but the pattern maker did a nice job in making the master hull. The decals include names and hull numbers for five ships in the class and the usual deck markings and signal flags on one sheet. It's a very good rendition of the ship's markings as you would expect from a company committed to quality. You also get a small fold-out product catalog with the kit showing all the goodies from Heller for 2003. Now for the bonus. If you are a modeler of U.S. Coast Guard subjects you might want to get a Lafayette kit or two for your stash. It includes a Dauphin helicopter molded in two halves. This of course is the original French version of the HH-65 Dolphin chopper used by the USCG on their large cutters and icebreakers. I'm seriously contemplating making a 1/400 scale 378 footer just to add one of these babies on the flight deck. Thanks to Heller, we have yet another modern warship to add to our collections and it's a good one. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: mnob Subject: DIXIELEXIC >> OH YEAH, ONE MORE THING: WHERE CAN I GET A UNION JACK AND A WHITE ENSIGN IN 3" X 5"? << David Can't help with fabric or decals, but if you want to print your own, visit http://www.papershipwright.freeserve.co.uk/ and pinch David Hathaway's freebie http://www.papershipwright.freeserve.co.uk/m33/flags.pdf these are vector graphics and can be scaled as needed. Then if you want to present them as flying flags on a model go to http://www.thestuarts.freeserve.co.uk/page4e.htm for how to print onto tissue. Maurice ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Some CSS Hunley trivia Shane A bit of ship trivia from a fellow IPMS/USA Region coordinator. I plan to also send this out to my chapters here in So California. Sounds interesting!! v/r Henry >> WHO'S REALLY BEING BURIED AT THE LAST CONFEDERATE BURIAL? By Dave Harvey Who is really being buried at the "last Confederate Funeral?" That is a great question, and one that The Heritage Motorcycle Rally Committee in Charleston is attempting to help solve. You see, the last official burial of the Civil war is being held on the 17th of April 2004 during the second annual Heritage Motorcycle Rally in Charleston, SC. The remains of these eight brave Confederate sailors are being buried in a ceremony that could very well match the burial of John F. Kennedy. The mood will be somber as the eight white horse drawn carriages, each with a casket aboard, lead a four-mile procession down some of the oldest and most beautiful streets in America. As many as 35,000 re-enactors, and God only knows how many other people, are going to make the walk with them to a final resting place at Magnolia Cemetery. Magnolia is one of the oldest and most prestigious cemeteries in the South, with 5 of the Confederate Generals and thousands of their men buried along side some of the leading forefathers of the American Revolution. Lt. Dixon and his crew will be placed next to the remains of Horace L. Hunley, (one of three Captains and namesake of the history-making submarine) and the twelve other sailors who perished when CSS Hunley sank first in August of 1863 and then sunk again in October of the same year. Here lies the problem...we still do not know all the names of these heroes. Who is the eighth person? Just who are we burying on April 17, 2004? Is it White, Miller, or Hayes? These are a few of the names listed as the eighth sailor. For 140 years history has eluded the answer. Some months ago, the Heritage Motorcycle Rally Committee set out on a mission to locate any living descendants of the third crew of the Hunley. We were looking for one that rode a motorcycle. But this search has altered when it became apparent to us that there were discrepancies as to the identities of some of the crew. And no one knows the identity of the eighth person on board the submarine.. Our search began with referencing printed material both on the Internet and in text, then on to our own Charleston County Library for research in the "South Carolina Room". We branched out further into some churches on Sullivan's Island outside of Charleston. Our task had us travel to the National Archives in Washington, D.C. to spend countless hours pouring over records on microfilm and original documents. And we aren't done yet. But the long hours, not to mention crossed eyeballs, paid off. Armed with lots of Charleston info, some names of people, ships and the date of the second sinking (October 15th, 1863) and with Dave Harvey (Coordinator of the Heritage Motorcycle Rally and former US Navy Submarine Chief Torpedo man) knowing that all ships had to be assigned to a land location and support group somewhere, we searched other records in the Charleston Area. Looking for a clue as to who was available in the Charleston area to fill the places of the sailors who perished. There had to be a Miller, Hayes or White somewhere! BINGO! We found the pay record for Charleston Naval Station for the third Quarter, July 1st - October 31st, 1863. On this record are four of the known right names listed as crew on the Hunley; Boatswain's Mate James A Wicks, Joseph Ridgeway, Seaman Frank G. Collins, and C. Simpkins. The only known sailor missing from that pay record was Arnold Becker. Commander of the Hunley, Lt. Dixon and Corporal Carlson, who were in the Army, would not have been listed or paid by Charleston Naval Station. One name out of al the sailors listed on this pay record jumped out at us - Seaman Patrick White. Wait a minute....did we just find a Seaman...with the last name of White...being paid by Charleston Naval Station the last Quarter of 1863? And wasn't the name White one of the names listed as possibly the eighth sailor? Here's where it gets really exciting! It has been written that Arnold Becker transferred from the CSS Chicora, to the Indian Chief and then volunteered for CSS Hunley. We took that information, looked a step further and we found "Seaman Patrick White" listed on a Muster Roll from the CSS Chicora. Now a connection has been uncovered! Were White and Becker friends? They appear to have been shipmates. With further investigating we found that Lt. Dixon went to Commodore Tucker for his men on the Hunley. And then we found that Tucker was the commanding officer of the CSS Chicora before becoming the Commander of Charleston Naval Station. The connection between the Hunley, Becker, White just got bigger. We believe that Seaman Patrick White may very well be the eighth sailor. We have gladly passed these findings over the Friends of the Hunley, and the Genealogist to help them in their search for the living descendants. Our endeavor has been fascinating. We look forward to our return to the National Archives in our search for more "pieces of the puzzle." Our next trip to DC is scheduled for August. We have found four living descendants so far, and they will be in Charleston for the burial. As for the motorcycle riding one. We will keep that one a secret....... The sailors who volunteered for service aboard the CSS Hunley, did so with the thought in the back of their minds that they may lose their lives just as the thirteen before then., But they proudly went anyway. As we hop on a bike for a leisurely Sunday ride, don't we have the same thing in the back of our minds? How many friends have we buried that ride. Yet we proudly go anyway. The burial of the final crew of the H. L. Hunley is scheduled for Saturday, April 17th, 2004 starting at 10:00 a.m. at White Point Gardens, followed by a funeral procession and ending at Magnolia Cemetery for the burial. Tours of the Hunley will NOT be available the day of the Burial, but during the week of the Burial will have special extended hours on Monday April 12 through Friday April 16 and will be open as normal on Sunday April 18. Tickets are now available for these special tours. << ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Dave L." Subject: Re: USS Constitution In regards to the color of the USS Consitution, check out this website, it has some interesting comments. http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html#RevellLgConst Dave Lockhart ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Yamato: Two more questions Duane Fowler wrote: >> Yes, the 127mm AA and the 25mm AA weapons had their barrels tied together just like the multiple barreled 40mm allied AA. << Thanks for the reply. Two more questions on the Yamato: - A photo taken at Truk, Jun 1943, shows the weather canvas awnings displayed. Are there any scale drawings showing their shape? - According to one information there is an illustrated book dealing with the Yamato, in japanese language, published by Ateneshobo, Japan (date ?). Does anyone has more information on it ? Thanks N.Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Vincent.Mccullough Subject: USS Atlanta (CL-51) Camo All, I'm in the process of painting a 1:350 Atlanta in the disruptive camo pattern that she wore when she was sunk. All horizontal surfaces are SUPPOSED to be deck blue according to my references (e.g., Glen Arnold's book on the class). However, when I study the photographs of her in Arnold's book (and there are VERY few after the initial sea trials), it appears to me that while the decks are all blue, the tops of the turrets are not. This seems to be true of several of this class in '42. For example, there is an overhead shot of (I believe) San Diego, which shows that the decks (including those above the 01 level) are all dark (presumably) blue, but the turret tops are much lighter. This includes one turret that is in shadow behind the superstructure. This leads me to conclude that, for some reason, the tops of the turrets were either haze or ocean gray. Does this make sense? It strikes me as odd because the lighter turrets REALLY stand out in the photos. Vince McCullough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume