Subject: SMML VOL 2279 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:32:49 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: SMMLie author achieves fame! 2: Re: Hull model of the Constitution 3: SS Ohio 4: Atenosobo Yamato 5: flags 6: Re: Brown Water Navy 7: Y gun - what it means in the Royal and associated navies 8: Yamato: Aircraft and BoatTrolleys 9: Hornet Thoughts... 10: Deck colours for RN capital ships c.May 1941 11: Re: Atenosobo Yamato ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Small Warships SIG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books FS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BSteinIPMS Subject: SMMLie author achieves fame! Congratulations to SMMLie Franklyn Brown for his excellent article (Part One) entitled "SC-1 Class 110-Foot Submarine Chasers (1917-1918)" which has just appeared in the new Fall 2003 issue of the Nautical Research Journal. Well done, Franklyn! Bob Steinbrunn Stillwater, Minnesota Nautical Research Guild http://www.naut-res-guild.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Re: Hull model of the Constitution >> The only known "official" model of her 1812 configuration is the Isaac Hull model on display in Boston (you can see some black and white photo's here: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-h/i-hull-x.htm; << This model is in the collection of the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem MA. not in Boston. It is no longer just on a stand such as the photo's show but in a display case. Rich Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "denvella" Subject: SS Ohio a) I urgently need the body lines and any other available external details related to the famous WW2 tanker OHIO considered the saviour of Malta b) I am trying to obtain the e-mail address of an amercian photo etching company called Fotocut of NY and if I am not mistaken the proprietar was a mr Hultberg. I dealt with him years ago and was so impressed that i would like to deal with him. c) if you are unable to trace him can you please give me the e-mail addresses of other companies that do this sort of work. Many thanks Dennis Vella ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Atenosobo Yamato I'm thanking Evangelos Aragiannis for his help in this matter. I will try Amazon co.jp (english version...) Nuno Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: flags howdy ya'll, very sorry if anyone's eyes are watering from reading my last post. (just a joke) darren, if you can help me with the little flags, please contact me off list. thanks, david in dixie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mike Potter Subject: Re: Brown Water Navy The Naval Amphibious Base has several craft: http://www.riverinesailor.com/images/CCB.Swi.PBR.JPG http://www.mrfa.org/ccbphot3.htm If particular details interest you, let me know (potter4 at att dot net). I'll check about a museum. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Reid, John (AFIT)" Subject: Y gun - what it means in the Royal and associated navies Ships in Royal and associated navies since about WW I have had major gun mountings (singles or turrets) designated from the bow as A, B (superfiring over A), P (optional) and Q (amidships - e.g. WW I battlecruisers), X (superfiring at stern), Y (on quarterdeck). e.g. 3rd 16" turret on Nelson/Rodney was Q, but 3rd 14" turret on KG V (1936) was Y; Onslow carried A, B, X and (except for one photo!) Y guns. (Question: was she fitted for minelaying and had this mount removable, like HMS Express and the 4" armed O-class?) 3rd 5.25" turret of Dido class was Q even though superfiring over A and B and one might have thought C a more logical designator. I don't know what names were applied where main turrets/mounts were directly abreast, e.g. on HMS Dreadnought and successors, or HMAS Sydney etc with two single 6" abreast on fx. Secondary guns, e.g. 5.25" turrets on KGV, were numbered P1-4 (port) and S1-4 (stbd). By contrast, US Navy uses mount numbers 1-n as required; Kriegsmarine named turrets from the bow Anton, Bruno, Caesar, D? (I don't know what word was used to designate "D" - Luftwaffe used "Dora"); don't know turret-naming practice in Kaiserliche Marine. John Reid ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Yamato: Aircraft and BoatTrolleys I finally got a Nichimo's 1/200 kit of Yamato. Studying it carefully I came across some inaccuracies (?... ) in it. Today I'm inquiring about the trolleys, the first question which I had to consider, since they have to do with the modifications I must have to perform in the hangars in order to stow the boats and the aircraft. It seems that, forcibly, there were two kinds of them. The aircraft ones, used on the quarterdeck rails and catapult, perfectly drawn in Skulski's book, and the hangar's ones (Boats and Aircraft), which are not shown in the book. It is apparent that the Boats (12m Motor Launch, 9m Cutter and, possibly, the 6m Dinghy) stored in the upper hangar boats, must had some sort of trolley to move them. But the height of the 12m Motor Launch doesn't allow it to be stored on the Nichimo's hangar. Some sort of work must be done, I understand that and I'm not criticising the kit. Now, the aircraft hangar's trolley. The same problem. Having reduced the Skulski's drawing A3 to 1:200, it became evident that the height tolerances in the aircraft hangar were minimal as to considering the height of the Aichi E13A 'Jake' floatplane. So the trolleys must have been very low in height. Does anyone came across this question? Are there any drawings on those trolleys? Thanks N.Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andy Jones" Subject: Hornet Thoughts... Hi All I'm currently building a 1/350th Trumpeter USS Hornet. So far I'm just about up to flight deck level and despite the hull inaccuracies I'm enjoying the build very much. I'm using WEM brass for detailing purposes and I'm extremely pleased with that also. Later I also intend to build a USS Yorktown using Nautilus Models conversion and WEM brass again. This has started me thinking about the differences between the two ships. Obviously there are many but two concern me here. 1) The forward LSO's platform (Starboard side). Is it the same on both ships (and on Enterprise for that matter)? On page 178 of 'That Gallant Ship' Robert Cressman states that the bow LSO platform was a unique feature of Yorktown. Pictures I have of Hornet seem to show one also. 2) WEM provide a number of .50" calibre watercooled Brownings on their Hornet fret. Has anyone got any photographs of Hornet carrying anywhere about her person .50's? I've searched my references (and the net) and haven't seen any from the Doolittle raid through to her sinking. Yorktown seemed to be covered in them especially after Coral Sea. Did Hornet get any at any time? I'd appreciate any opinions on the above from fellow SMMLie's. Many Thanks Andy Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Deck colours for RN capital ships c.May 1941 Hey guys I've managed to build up a collection of 1:700 capital ships involved in the Bismarck action. So far I've got Bismarck, Prinz Eugen, POW, Hood, KGV and Rodney. I know this has been asked before but does anyone have anything definitive on deck colours? I've heard that some decks were unpainted whilst others were painted AP507a. Also, does anyone make a 1:700 Ark Royal or Victorious? Thanks Steve in Sydney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Re: Atenosobo Yamato Evangelos Aragiannis, I tried Amazon co. jp and, as you said, it was not difficult entering it. However, even using the english version, when I found the book I was unable to find the translation of its title, nor the author's name or any other reference in english language. Knowing that it is a japanese written book, can you give me some information about it? Like photos, drawings, etc...? Thanks N.Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Small Warships SIG I have just updated our website (www.brown.abelgratis.co.uk) with the contents of Escort issue 32. Do visit the site if you are interested in the smaller warships and contact me (les@brown.abelgratis.co.uk) if you would like a copy (pdf format) of this or any of the earlier issues. Regards Les Brown IPMS(UK) Small Warships SIG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jtennier@aol.com Subject: Books FS Time to get somewhat realistic about what I will be building......so a few bits and pieces that don't fit (just like many of my parts). Postage at cost: 1. A Japanese publication, "Super Illustration The Heavy Cruiser TAKAO". That's pretty much all the English in this publication. Very few photos (not good at that), but a ton of drawings and isometrics. Skulski's AOS is better, not sure if this is his earlier version or not. Soft cover. $25US 2. German Publication "Die Tegetthoff Klass" Lots of excellent quality photos. Anyone not in love with this class? Paperback. $25US 3. Koop & Schmolke's "Battleship Scharnhorst". Military book club edition. The faults of this publication are well known. Hardcover. $10. 4. For those with a more broader interest in things, I also have a real variety of issues of the Model Engineer, about 90 or so, from the 60-80's. Contact me for details. Thanks Shane! John Tennier ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume