Subject: SMML VOL 2284 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:43:53 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Atenesobo Yamato 2: Re: HP Models 3: Russian sub under tow sinks 4: Origin 5: HP Models 6: Boot tops 7: Re: Boot Topping 8: Re: Gladstone pictures 9: Re: Boot topping on WWII SCs 10: An old book 11: CSS ALABAMA book ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Re: Atenesobo Yamato Thank you, Evangelos Aragiannis, you were most helpful. N.Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Sab1156 Subject: Re: HP Models Dear Iain Wyllie, HP models habe a webside with catalog: www.hp-models.com Best Regards Detlef Hartwig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Kutina Subject: Russian sub under tow sinks http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=VHS5MZ4KIM2DICRBAELCFEY?type=topNews&storyID=3362443 Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Origin American aircraft carriers have been known as "Flat tops" for a long time, although the term is not heard very much lately. O.K., SMML people, can anyone identify the origin of the term "flat top"? Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "RUSSELL SMITH" Subject: HP Models Iain, Here's the url: www.hp-models.com I have a large number of their models; HMS Eagle, Hermes, Queen Elizabeth, Valiant, Malaya, Renown, Furious, Glorious, Courageous, Dragon, Royal Oak. The German: Blucher, Emden, Schleswig-Holstein and the US ships New Mexico, Penascola, Salt Lake City. Only the HMS Hermes is completed as I have about a two year back log of ships to put together. The New Mexico and Royal Oak are about half done at this time. Regards; Russ Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Stephen Bolton" Subject: Boot tops Hi all From looking at modern RN ships and references in Japanese books recently, I would say the boot tops aren't straight, or have to appear to be straight, when viewed from the waterline. There is a distintive rise at the bow on the top edge of the black and a slight one at the stern to. Many of my Japanese books even give definate guidelines as to the height of the red (Japanese ships did not use the black) at the bow and stern for their boottops. I certainly never do mine straight but thats more to do with shakey hands I think. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Arthur Taylor" Subject: Re: Boot Topping In SMML 2282, Bradford Chaucer responded to the question: when did the USN begin to apply the black boot topping to the waterline of their ships? He said, in effect, that he could see no evidence of boot toppings in the ships from the Spanish- American War through the 19teens. Franklyn Brown followed up in SMML 2283 to say that the 110 ft subcasers in WW1 had black b/t paint. This question pops up periodically, not only concerning the USN, apparently without resolution. I posted such on SMML in Aug 19 '02, without response. In the Nautical Research Journal of Summer 2002, Bradley Foster posed a series of questions on the bottom paint color of late Victorian British and American ships as well as "when did black boot topping become fashionable". He thought that photos prior to WW1 usually did not show b/t, but by 1915 or so it began to be seen. I have not discovered any reply to Foster's question in subsequent NRJ's. In correspondence on this subject with some luminaries in the UK, really focused on b/t for a Victorian RN cruiser which had the lower part of the hull sheathed in copper, there seems to be evidence from some artist's impressions of the time of b/t paint. For example, I have color illustrations done around 1901 of HMS "Highflyer" (black at the water-line), "Pomone" (red), and "Marathon" (black); all of these had the white (tropical) hulls, and were coppered below, I believe. During my exchange, there did emerge an opinion that the white stripe near the water-line that was commonly used on Victorian warships of the "black hull" style to separate that color from the red bottom paint was in fact the boot topping. This is not so. B/t paint is defined as the special paint applied to the hull between light and load w/l's, over the anti-corrosive coating. The purpose is that "anti-fouling paints are short-lived when alternatively wet and dry, and also because ordinary topside paint does not resist the erosive action of the waves" (Maritime Dictionary. de Kerchove, 1947). The white stripe as shown in photos would have inadequate width to fulfill this function, and so must have been purely decorative. Please could some other experts help us mortals? Brian Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Diodor Subject: Re: Gladstone pictures To Clive Oz -- Many thanks for the link, looks like just what I needed. Ted Treadwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Diodor Subject: Re: Boot topping on WWII SCs Franklyn, This is not a definitive answer because I have not taken the time to be absolutely sure, but none of the SCs that I know about had boot topping. They had only the two colors, the red lead on bottom and the "battleship grey" above, starting at the waterline. Ted Treadwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: An old book I just finished an old book and noticed some references that just might interest some SMML people. The title is SIMSADUS;LONDON, The American Navy in Europe, by John Langdon Leighton, published in New York by Henry Holt and Company in 1920. Among other things is a short chapter about U-boat activities off the Northeast Coast of the U. S. in 1917 and 1918. There is a good picture of a British K Class oil-fired steam driven submarine of WW 1 as well. Incidentally, SIMSADUS:LONDON was the cable address of the headquarters of Admiral Sims, coded as SIMS ADmiral US:LONDON. This gave my small-town librarian the heebie jeebies. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: ALROSS2 Subject: CSS ALABAMA book Just picked up a copy of CSS ALABAMA - ANATOMY OF A CONFEDERATE RAIDER by Andrew Bowcock. If you like American Civil War (or the War of Northern Aggression if you're from below the Mason/Dixon Line... :-} ) vessels, you might want to take a look at this book. Done in a style somewhat akin to the AOS series, it contains a large number of drawings covering general arrangements, sails, armament, machinery, etc. While I don't know a great deal about this era, the author seems to have competently researched the vessel and provided the scratch-builder with enough material to do a well-detailed model. Now, if I could get BlueJacket to reissue their old kit of KEARSARGE.... Al Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume