Subject: SMML VOL 2292 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:08:21 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Commandant Teste 2: Re: Commandante Teste 3: Ohio mounts 4: Paddle to the Sea. 5: Re: Commandant Teste 6: Re: Commandante Teste 7: Re: Commandant Teste Drawings 8: Color Photo from National Archives 9: Commandant Teste 10: Re: 1/600 scale flat tops? 11: USS Arizona 12: Reference to Obsessive-Compulsive Ship modeling 13: model mountings 14: Re: Navy shore vehicles 15: Color of a Specific Navy Vehicle 16: Re: 1/600 scale flat tops? 17: commandante teste in 1/1200 18: Re: Commandant Teste 19: Re: US Navy Vehicles 20: Royal Sovereign 21: HMS FURIOUS 1918 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bruno Gire" Subject: Re: Commandant Teste Don, I've got some profile, decks & hull form drawings at 1/500, 1/600 and 1/1000 scale. These would be suitable for a 1200 scale ship. Please contact me off forum for more. bgire@club-internet.fr Bruno Gire, Bordeaux, France ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peter Chant" Subject: Re: Commandante Teste The new edition of Warship 2002-2003 has an article on the Commandante Teste by John Jordan, complete with plans based on the official drawings. Peter Chant Plymouth UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David L. Fisher" Subject: Ohio mounts I have made several models of merchant vessels which have hulls with bottoms that are flat. I have found that brass cylinders turned and drilled make excellent and appropriate pedestals. On a 1/8" scale model of a C1MAV1 I used 1" cylinders and smaller ones for 1/16" scale models. Dave Fisher ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Paddle to the Sea. My dad started me on Model ships early, "my" (OUR) first was the Revell "Queen Mary" But Holling Clancy Holling was definitely a favorite author of mine. "Paddle to the Sea" is great but I've always loved his "Seabird" which traces the "adventures of a seagull carved out of Ivory by one boy and how it travelled with him and then his son and grandson as Shipping went from Whaling to Steamships. A great story and the illustrations are beyond belief. just my two cents worth. Rich Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Commandant Teste There are two models of this ship at the scale of 1:1250: One made by Neptun (model #1420, available new) and one made by Trident (model # 1030, obtainable second hand; I sold mine this spring). These may help in making a 1:1200 model. See photos: www.Navis-Neptun.de and http://rasputin.physics.uiuc.edu/~wiringa/Ships/Period3/France/AircraftCarriers/CommandantTeste.html Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: Re: Commandante Teste In Warship 2002-2003 contains an article about Commandante Teste by John Jordan. There are 3 photos and a drawing (profile and plan view). The drawing is certainly more detailed, than in Jane's. Perhaps Warship is available at your local library. In the same issue is also an article about the Armstrong cruisers of the Italian Navy (Giovanni Bausan, Etna, Stromboli, Vesuvio, Ettore Fieramosca, Dogali, Piemonte). There are drawings contained, but they are not very detailed (e.g. compared to the drawings of Commandante Teste). Does somebody know a source of drawings for the early Italian cruisers? I have 'Gli Incrocatori Italiani', but the drawings are of similar quality to Warship's drawings (they probably the base for the drawings in Warship). Best regards Lars Scharff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Sanartjam Subject: Re: Commandant Teste Drawings Hi Don, There is a Marines Editions book on the Commandant Teste and the Bearn (I think), which I don't have, but the latest volume of Warship (2002-2003), which I do have, has an article on the Commandant Teste with profile and overhead views. Give me a call or shoot me an e-mail and I'll be happy to help out. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Sanartjam Subject: Color Photo from National Archives Hi SMML, Jeff Herne recently put up a feature on color photographs of U.S. warships in WWII on modelwarships.com that included a beautiful broadside photo of USS Buchanan in Ms. 12 mod., which I recognized as the one I saw in Sea Classics over 30 years ago and have wanted to find ever since. I think Sea Classics had it mislabeled as the Lansdowne. Anyway, thanks, Jeff! My question is, how do I obtain an 8 X 10 glossy of this photo from the National Archives? It's been a while since I've bought any photos from them and I haven't kept up with the drill. Thanks, Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "L'Arsenal" Subject: Commandant Teste Don, The best reference is " Le Béarn et le Commandant Teste " by Jean Moulin, Lucien Morareau and Claude Picard published some years ago by Marines Editions. Unfortunately this book is long out of print now. Here are the references in case a second hand seller have it. ISBN 2-909675-22-X If your search is unsuccessful, drop me a line. Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Robert Salmon" Subject: Re: 1/600 scale flat tops? >> Googling around re Revell's 1/600 SS United States (waterline kit, bummer), found that Hobbysurplus lists in 1/600 scale the aircraft carriers Enterprise, by Kangman Plastic, and Charles DeGaule, by Zhengdefu Models. A couple of questions to the list about the carrier kits: are they 1/600 scale (i.e., not a typo), and of what quality are they? << I purchased the Kangnam 1/600 scale Enterprise recently during one of Hobby Lobby's 50% off sales. The kit is a pretty-good scaled-down version of the Tamiya 1/350 kit. Like the Tamiya kit, it has the seperate bow section, but the flight deck is one piece, instead of the 3-piece approach Tamiya used. In fact, they even attempt to recreate the aircraft tie-down points on the flight deck. I was not overly impressed with the aircraft, but for the $20 I put into the kit, I thought it was a good buy. I have heard that this kit was an Arii kit at one time, but I don't know for sure. Robert Salmon Norman, OK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: NAVYDAZE Subject: USS Arizona Can anyone tell me if the USS ARIZONA was able to return fire from any of her batteries before she blew up, considering that event occurred within 10 minutes of the commencement of the attack. And if so which ones. thanks, Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Norbert.Onaitis Subject: Reference to Obsessive-Compulsive Ship modeling Ir re: Bob Steinbrunn's message...see this month's "Wooden Boat" magazine. The article is entitled: "And All I Ask Is a Small Ship...: The models of Rob Napier". This stuff is a lot of fun-why else would we do it? Even if we aren't nearly as good at it as Bob Steinbrunn, Gary Kingzett and Rob Napier...it's still fun! Nick Onaitis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: model mountings Another useful source for brass pedestals for ship models are pulls for kitchen or bathroom drawers, such as those you can find at Home Depot or Lowe's. Some of these have beautiful brass elements which are adaptable for use as ship stands. I recently used a set that originally came attached to little plastic soccer ball handgrabs; I just removed the balls and the pedestals were ready to go! Tim Reynaga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Steve Singlar Subject: Re: Navy shore vehicles >> What color were vehicles such as jeeps and Deuce & a halfs used by the US navy painted?? Were they gray, blue or OD green. << Bradford, In my 28 years, two months and 24 days in the navy I saw a hand full of gray navy jeeps, many gray pick up trucks, stake trucks, sedans (later all the sedans were dark blue or black) oil trucks, tractor trailors and the like. All the duece & a halfs and construction equipment I ever saw were OD green. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: aandmblevins Subject: Color of a Specific Navy Vehicle When I was a kid during WW II an upstairs neighbor was a lieutenant in the Navy. He was attached to a bomb disposal unit based in Boston, Massachusetts. He got to bring the Navy vehicle home at night, a grey jeep with bright red front fenders and windshield with BOMB DISPOSAL painted in white below the windshield. The fact that it had a big chrome siren with a red light in it made it a favorite of all the neighborhood kids. Al Blevins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: 1/600 scale flat tops? >> A couple of questions to the list about the carrier kits: are they 1/600 scale (i.e., not a typo), and of what quality are they? << I have both kits waiting for building, the USS Enterprise is smaller copy of the Tamiya kit. The ship looks pretty good but the airplanes are bad, just not good. Perhaps when the kit will be more on the market some PE sets will come. Than the only other problem is that there are now, as far as I no, aftermarket planes, so there is a lot of work at the planes. The Charles DeGaule, I think is also is smaller copy but than from the Heller kit. This kit looks more toy like than the Enterprise. On the other hand the sell that thing for 6 euro. Lucky thing is that I can use the Heller kit as a guide from a friend of my. I hope this help. Greetings, Michiel Woort ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: ED LARYEH Subject: commandante teste in 1/1200 I believe I had 1:1250 simple plans for this this ship but they are presently hidden away in the attic somewhere and not easily retrieved. Comet/Superior used to make this model as a single casting and there may be some still around. ALNAVCO now handles Superior, but I doubt that the model is currently in production. It is possible to contact Pete Paschall at Alnavco regarding special production runs. If you are intent upon scratch building, I would suggest going to the Steel Navy site and posting your request on the 1:1250 message board. Aryeh Wetherhorn Elazar, Israel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Re: Commandant Teste Don Morgan wrote: >> I would like to build a 1/1200 scale model of this WW II French seaplane carrier. The only top and side view diagrams I can find are in the 1942 volume of Jane's Fighting Ships, and I question their accuracy. Can anyone provide an accurate set of top and side view diagrams, or at least point me to a source from which I can obtain same for a reasonable price? << The best detailed source, I think, is the Marines Édition book , ISBN 2-909675-22-X "Le Bearn et le Commandant Teste", by Jean Moulin (not the famous WW II French Resistance leader..., of course), Lucien Morareau et Claude Picard. In that book we can find very good photos and plans. Nuno Rubim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: andrew jones Subject: Re: US Navy Vehicles You can check a few spots 1) Internet modeller, either this month or last month, someone went to a museum & there is a photo of a US navy truck 2) Missing-Lynx in the braille scale section (yes its an armour discussion group, so please dont hate me), someone had a spot about US navy vehicles there, so go there & have a scroll thru some of their pages regards Andrew Jones Oz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Royal Sovereign Hi There, my Kombrig Royal Sovereign just arrived from a usual mailing source. As this is one of my favourite subjets I was able to dig out some references and give some first impressions The hull seems to be right on the money in length and about a millimeter to short in beam, though this may be related to the torpedo net shelves which are not present on the kit. Hull form seems to be right according to the Admiralty as fitted plan which can be found in'Warrior to Dreadnought'. I have my doubts about the bow shape however. I think the ship had rather more sheer worked in and she seems to be a bit low the water. Detail on the hull and smaller fittings is very sharp, beautiful barbette/gun combination and smaller guns. This is one of Kombrig's all resin kits. The mast are supplied in resin and should be replaced by brass rod. Also there are no bridge supports and boat racks so these should also be build in brass rod. The kit represents the class as after the 1902-05 refit. The upper deck 6" guns are in casemates and not in open shielded mountings. I think this can be changed with some dremel work and the fitting of Seals models 6" guns. Only problem would be to change the gunshields as the japanese 6" gunshields were very different. Boats are almost perfect in shape with screw/rudder combination on the steam launces done in resin. Instructions are the usual Kombrig type; a good two view drawing and exploded view. The usual russian text is enhanced with a short english translation which is not very good. Another more historical impression is just how large these ships were. I have some contemporary predreadnought kits such as Petropavlovsk and Georgy Pobienonosets and this ship looks so much bigger. In short, a very nice and affordable resin kit of one of my favorite subjects. Cheers, Pieter Cornelissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "James Baumann" Subject: HMS FURIOUS 1918 Hello all smml'ers, having completed my latest model project( French navy Bretagne in 1/700) I am now entangled among other projects with HMS FURIOUS in 1/700 by Loose Cannon.... portraying the ship as in 1918 with that wonderful camouflage scheme...! I have the Warship profile of the ship 1& 2(23/24) but have predictably run out of information...!! If anyone out there would be able to e-mail me some close-up photos and/or additional views to the contents of the abovementioned source, or point me in the right direction I would be most grateful! Is anyone else out there currently (or has completed) this model I would be most interested in exchanging views on refinements/modifications/inaccuracies etc kind regards here's hopeful JIM BAUMANN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Gernot Hassenpflug Subject: Books for sale Hello SMMLies, I am thinning out my library, and have the following books for sale. Prices are negotiable. If interested, please contact by email. Payment either by Paypal (preferred), postal order made out in Japanese yen, bank cheque, or cash. British Destroyers - Edgar J. March (US$200) Akagi, Monografie Morskie - M. Skwiot, A. Jarski (US$10) Model Ship Guide Vol.1 (USN WW2 ships, IJN Haguro,Ashikaga) - Pitroad (US$6) US Light Cruisers in Action - Squadron Signal Publications (US$10) Radar at Sea, the RN in WW2 - Derek Howse (US$15) Marine Mitchells in WW2 - Jerry Scutts (US$10) Aero Detail No.22 F4F Wildcat (US$30) Aero Detail No.23 De Havilland Mosquito (US$40) Regards, Gernot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume