Subject: SMML VOL 2298 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:58:56 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Bottle Models 2: Loren perry's Take on Bell Bottoms 3: Falklands taskforce ships 4: Re: Bell Bottoms 5: Re: skulski and chesneau shipmodeling books 6: Re: Bell Bottoms 7: Tramp Steamer 8: Airfix Magazine April 1980 article about Exocet Leanders 9: USS Arizona Kingfisher Colors 10: Re: HMS Ark Royal & Victorious May 1941 11: Card Models 12: USS Oriskney CVA 34 info ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jimmyjb Subject: Bottle Models There are bottle models sold regularly on ebay. However, most of these, averaging about $20-$50 seem to be quite "clunky". They depend on the distortion of the glass to hide the fact that they are very plain and out of scale, typically with the bowsprit way too long and the deck detail either lacking or toy-like. I am wondering what one could expect to pay for a ship in a bottle of any quality and where they are sold. Thanks for any assistance. Jim Bloom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: aandmblevins Subject: Loren perry's Take on Bell Bottoms As usual, the straight scoop from Loren. That is the impression I got from my two sons re: the sailor's wanting the traditional style uniform back. Also, one of my sons saw my reproduction of the "Lone Sailor" statue at the Navy Memorial in Washington, DC. He said that some admiral had objected to its being done with the sailor's hands in his peajacket pockets, but that the CONO at the time approved it, saying it was the way they were always seen. From a US Army (The Senior Service) Engineer, retd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: chrisquirk@ Subject: Falklands taskforce ships Hi all I am looking for some help on the appearance of Royal Navy ships of the Falklands Taskforce, particulary HMS Glasgow, were all pennant numbers painted out including those on the stern? also were the code letters on the flight deck retained? I would appreciate any help. Regards Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Bell Bottoms Bill wrote >> The cracker jacks were absolutely, positively and without the slightest doubt _not_ brought back at the request of the enlisted men and petty officers. The general consensus of those who actually had wear the uniform, was that they were ridiculous looking, not to mention incredibly uncomfortable, being made of 100% wool. We only wore dress uniforms for the rare inspection or ceremony. 99% of our time we wore dungarees, a flight-deck jersey, combat boots, and a ball cap. In cold weather a foul weather jacket or flight jacket. << Bill, I respectfully disagree. My term of service went from cracker jacks to bus driver suit and back to cracker jacks, and I don't remember one of my shipmates saying that they liked the busdriver suit. In our minds the cracker jacks was what set us apart from the other branches of the military. I personally loved the cracker jacks, if you got a "tailor-made" set they were definitely very smart looking. I agree that the 100% wool was a pain, especially in WestPac, but the new material in my mind pretty much cleared up that issue. Just one man's opinion. Bruce Chief Operations Specialist More commands than I care to remember USN(retired) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: RDChesneau Subject: Re: skulski and chesneau shipmodeling books >> I was also wondering if anyone knows the status of the book by Roger Chesneau on modeling the King George the Vth class battleships that was supposed to be released by now? << Mike As mentioned in this exchange a while ago, Chatham Publishing crashed but has been bought up by Greenhill Books. The KGV and Pocket Battleships books are complete and ready to roll, but a final decision concerning their future yet to be taken. Hope this is of help. Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Math Mathiasen" Subject: Re: Bell Bottoms In the early 50's bell bottoms were not a problem. The problem was 13 buttons and an intestinal disorder!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: daveduck Subject: Tramp Steamer Loose Cannon makes a 1/700 Harriman class Pass/freighter. These were WWI ships are about the only kit I know of which is close to what you want. They can be made into two different versions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Mike Potter Subject: Airfix Magazine April 1980 article about Exocet Leanders Help. Has anyone the Airfix Magazine April 1980 article about Exocet Leanders? I need drawing K. If you have a copy, please contact me at potter4@att.net. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Greg Stout" Subject: USS Arizona Kingfisher Colors Can anyone tell me what the color scheme of the Kingfisher aircraft on board the USS Arizona was in late 1941. Thanks For Your Help, Greg Stout ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: m.f.mclaughlin Subject: Re: HMS Ark Royal & Victorious May 1941 Hi Stephen Varhegyi, HMS Victorious had an Admiralty disruptive scheme for both her hull and flight deck in May 1941. You will need a copy of Alan Raven's Camouflage One to get these patterns and colours right. You should also, get a copy of Ross Watton's book: Anatomy of the Ship Victorious. By Contrast, HMS Ark Royal in May 1941 was still in her 507B over all hull scheme and 507A flight deck colours which had been last fully painted durring her February-March 1940 refit. By November 1940, Ark Royal's 507B scheme was badly rust streaked but, still intact (R.A.Burt photo). By May 1941, Ark Royal's 507B hull paint was begining to chip off in large sections showing her her original 507C launch colour. You can find a picture of her during roughly this time period on the Fleet Air Arm Archive web site. This site also, has a set of small drawings which will give you an idea of where to paint her new flight deck stripe lines for 1941. (Her quarter deck walls should be painted white.) I recently talked with an author who has read a June/July 1941 CAFO report which mentions the fitting of Ark Royal's port side pom-pom mountings in Gibraltar but, he had doubt as to when or if this refit applied. Norman Friedman's book on British Carrier Aviation suggests June 11-13, 1941 as a possible date for the addition of these two port side pom-poms. I have seen additional photo's of Ark Royal in the summer and fall of 1941 since my last posting and I now believe that her upper hull continued to chip off her February-March 1940 507B painting until it had nearly all worn off at the time of loss. Her lower hull was repainted with a light coating of 507B during the summer of 1941 but, her revealed upper hull is the original 1938 507C paint launch colour. With the hull paint (1940) 507B chipping off revealing the original (1938) 507C colour and no long yard period projected until December 1941 at the earliest, it may have been decided to take advantage of the situation to create a light/dark scheme by simply repainting the lower hull in a new 507B colour while leaving the upper hull in the revealed 507C colour. An early fall photo (FAAM A62) that was recently emailed to me shows her Island structure also, worn or chipped down to this 507C colour. In September 1941, Ark Royal spent several day's in port and it is possible that at this time her Island and 4.5 mounts recieved a fresh painting of 507B which can be seen in the photo's of her sinking as well as the photo WR Press posted on this site. I think the above is a little closer in value to 2 cents worth than my previous Ark Royal posting and hope it causes more humor but, less confusion. Miles F. McLaughlin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Bob Evans" Subject: Card Models I have been looking at some of the card models available through Marcle in the UK. I am not contemplating the SD14 but wonder if anyone has had the experience of building an average card model and what quality could be expected. Bob Evans Canberra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Kurt Van Dahm" Subject: USS Oriskney CVA 34 info Ahoy: A fellow modeler asked for help in obtaining information on a kit that could be altered to make a model of the USS Oriskney CVA 34. "I have a relative who until very recently avoided any contact or talk about his service carrier aboard the USS Oriskney CVA34 during his tour in Vietnam. He was on board and fought the fires that took 44 of his crewmates in Oct. 1966. While Oriskany was carrying out her mission in the Gulf of Tonkin, tragedy struck. At 7:28 a.m. on Oct. 26, 1966, fire broke out in a forward magazine and raged through 5 decks, claiming the lives of 44 Oriskanymen. Many of those killed were veteran combat pilots who, a few hours earlier, had flown on raids over Vietnam. Serious damage to the 21-year-old combat veteran ended Oriskany's 1966 Western Pacific deployment. I would like to build a model of the Oriskney (1966 configuration) but none exist that I can find and I am totally ignorant of which, if any model out there could be modified and renumbered. She was originally built as an Essex class CV but converted to Ticonderoga CVA with slanted flight deck." Can anybody help with letting us know what kit may be altered to make this model? Thanks in advance. Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume