Subject: SMML VOL 2304 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Cold enough to freeze the balls... 2: Re: USS Oriskany 3: VilleFranche 4: Re: Tramp Steamer 5: Re: USS Oriskney CVA 34 info 6: Bell Bottom Trousers 7: Re: Paper Models 8: Re: Bell bottom trousers 9: Re: plank owners 10: Re: Villefranche-sur-Mer 11: Re: Plankowner 12: Coat of Navy Blue 13: for real virus warning, tis is not rumor I have received these 14: Check out T. Garth Connelly's Page 15: Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher 16: Seattle Post-Intelligencer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Arjun Sarup" Subject: Cold enough to freeze the balls... As some of you might know, 'Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey' is very much a nautical expression. Does anyone know of other interesting nautical expressions? I've been wondering how the expression 'Splice the main brace' came about. Regards, Arjun Sarup Mauritius http://pages.intnet.mu/warbirds/warships/index2.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: raisingirl Subject: Re: USS Oriskany hi all -- David Wells wrote: >> Indeed, the old Revell 1/535 Essex-class SCB-125 kit would be a good starting place for an Oriskany. This Wasp kit would probably work quite nicely, since it probably has a better aircraft set than the more recently issued Lexington kits. Now, how about some details on how to make this kit look a bit more like the Oriskany? Is Jodie Peeler listening? << (raising tin ear-horn) What? What did you say, sonny? ;) Actually, the Revell kit would work very well for a model of The Big Risk. The flight deck layout of the -27A/-125 ships (as depicted in the Revell kit) and that of the Oriskany wasn't that too much different. That's kind of appropriate since the Oriskany was the prototype -27A (later upgraded to -27C and -125 standards during her SCB-125A refit). Changes you may want to make will be more detail-oriented. Alan Raven's book "Essex-Class Carriers" has an excellent set of drawings of Oriskany in about 1:700 scale, c. 1975 or so. You may need to tinker with the shape of the bow (the type of knuckle in the hurricane bow varied depending on where the modernization was done, and when it was done -- the Hornet, for example, has a different bow shape than the Yorktown). You'll also need to do some work on the superstructure below the flight deck, as it seemed every single Essex-class ship had a different configuration of roller doors, cranes, platforms, etc., etc. As with all ship projects, you'll need to study yr. references for the period you want to represent. Oriskany's flight deck had some different shapes to it, but not that radically different. It also had the pentagonal elevator on the forward flight deck, between the catapults. Don't forget the bridle catchers/catapult overruns on the bow, too. You'll want to build those yourself, as the Revell units are a little lightweight and those on the actual ship are kind of beefy. :) According to my USN Booklet of General Plans drawings, the model scales out fairly well for an Essex-class ship, except that the island is about 3/16" too tall at the base. The one real problem with this kit, though, is its hull: if you build the ship straight from the box, you'll notice that the hull is way too narrow. It's especially noticeable in that the top of the escalator housing on the island, and the escalator housing below the flight deck, don't match up! The only real way to fix that is to waterline the hull and install some spacers to spread the hull to the proper width. Once you fix that, and the island, the model looks really nice. The Wasp kit has a very nice air wing that's almost completely inappropriate for Wasp, but is excellent for Oriskany, since it has F-8s and A-4s, and some S-2s that you could modify into a C-1. Throw in some Skyraiders from the Midway-class kit, and maybe an A-3 from an older Forrestal-class kit, and you've pretty much got a good Vietnam-era air wing. Adding the miniature Gemini spacecraft, though, would be way too much surrealism.... E-mail me off-list (raisingirl [at] mindspring [decimal] com) if you want some specifics. I know way too much about the modernized Essexes, probably because I had no life when I was a wee one.... (By the by, isn't Panda Models or somebody supposed to do Oriskany in 1:350?) jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Tony Mattson" Subject: VilleFranche Franklyn, There is a VilleFranche situated 4km (2 miles) from Nice on the Menton side, on the Cote d'Azure Try this website: http://www.beyond.fr/villages/villefranche.html This may well be your WW1 location Tony Mattson Editor- Mailship Scale Marine Modellers Inc. Auckland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: rolie muise Subject: Re: Tramp Steamer See if you could find, "Steaming To Bambola" A great read, life aboard a tramp steamer travelling the world looking for cargo and a berth. A sea romance " ....in the ancient way" Anyone know where that comes from. rolie in Nova Scotia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Daniel Kurtz Subject: Re: USS Oriskney CVA 34 info >> Coral Sea was designed and built as a carrier. She was neither planned nor laid down as a battleship. This is a naval legend of unknown origin. << I've heard that the story may have had something to do with a) they were the first US carriers with armored flight decks and b) they were built with material (including armor?) that had originally been procured for canceled Montanas. >> Six Iowas were planned and started, and four were finished, while Indiana and Kentucky eventually were scrapped incomplete. << Kentucky was #5. Actually the 6th ship was to have been Illinois. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Bell Bottom Trousers Ken Goldman, Thanks for "Bell Bottom Trousers." It made my day. Norman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: Paper Models James Hathaway wrote: >> My father once owned a paper model import company in the US- as I recall, probably the nicest ship models were from the Wilhelmschavener company of Germany- thier Fletcher, and thier Forrestal were beautiful! I notice reciently there have been many additions including a Charles F. Adams DDG (German) added to the line. If you were interested in trying a paper kit, at the website for HMAS Cerberus, there is a David Hathaway model of her (A harbor defense monitor circa 1880) available for download. I have not built the kit, but it looks excellent! << Oh, what a small world this is! James, was your father John Hathaway of San Pedro, California? I'm a paper modeler in Orange County, and every month about a half dozen paper modelers invade the IPMS/Northrop chapter in Hawthorne, CA. One of our members once used to visit Mr. Hathaway's shop, and we still hear from people who remember purchasing paper models from him during the 1970's. I'm also a friend of Louis Dausse of PMI, who took over the mail order business after Mr. Hathaway's death. I'm a member of two paper model mailing lists, and John Hathaway's name keeps coming up in conversation. He also designed two airship models and a Curtiss Jenny, both still offered by PMI. If he's your father, you should be very proud that within the US paper modeling community John Hathaway's San Pedro shop is now almost legendary. It may not be a far stretch to say that without his promotion of the hobby, paper modeling would have almost completely died out in the US during the 1970's and early 1980s. David T. Okamura P.S. By the way, if you want to see a DETAILED paper ship model, check out the Prinz Eugen at: http://www.mtp-studio.de/prinz/prinz.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Bell bottom trousers To Ken Goldman Was that sung to the melody of the song "Bell bottom Trousers" as sung by Bob Hope's mustachioed colleague Jerry Collona, which started out "Bell bottom trousers, coat of Navy blue. She loved a sailor and he loved her too."? I don't remember the rest of it, but it was sanitized for the Hayes office (a "watchdog" organization which monitored Hollywood movies for improper language, innuendoes, and bawdy songs many moons ago). Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "bert" Subject: Re: plank owners Tony Matson In the R.N. a plank owner was an Officer or rating of the original crew that were present at the building of the ship "from Go to Wo" Usually head of departments and key personel. A plank owner sounds to me like some scrounger that takes bits off as souvenirs. Yours Aye Bert (TaT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: Villefranche-sur-Mer Many thanks for the response to my request for the location of Villefranche-sur Mer. And thanks to Roger Antrobus, but I do not wish to investigate any further than determining where it is located. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: Plankowner From: ED LARYEH >> Members of the first crew that puts a warship in commission are plank owners. That being said, the origin of the term may have something to do with each one being given a piece of wood which may have come from some part of the deck or the boarding plank (nothing to do with having to "walk the plank") << Being entitled to a deck plank upon the decommissioning of the vessel. David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Coat of Navy Blue Wow! That song is a whole lot different from the "Bell Bottom Trousers, Coat of Navy Blue..." song that was popular here in WW2! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: for real virus warning, tis is not rumor I have received these Watch out guys there is some new virus game in town. I have been getting messages, about 40 in the last 2 days falling into two types All the messages are in the range of 150-170Kbytes, and now today messages in the 15 kbyte size range. All appear to have embedded executable files. the first type purports to be a transmission failure (bounce ) message alerting you that a message you purportedly sent could not be delivered. I suspect that based on the size it has embedded code such that when you open the message you are toast The second appears to come from Mickeysoft proclaiming that it contains the latest super patch that will fix your system for all of it's vulnerabilities. It tells you to click on something to install the patch. Most of them seem to come from Europe (domain code .dl) and I am sure is a virus also DO NOT OPEN THESE MESSAGES!!!!! I use a program called mailwasher to inspect my mail. among other things it allows me to peak without actually downloading, gives me the full header and often discloses email address spoofing, and allows me to safely delete the messages from the server without downloading it.. I VERY VERY highly recommend it to all PC users You can find it at WWW.MAILWASHER.NET Responses: Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: ConnellyTG Subject: Check out T. Garth Connelly's Page All: This is the final draft. For those of you who have scale modeling websites, please link my site to your sites. Also, please mention that my site is now up and running, thank you. For those who don't have websites, enjoy. http://hometown.aol.com/connellytg/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Russell Adams" Subject: Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher I just purchesed the Tamiya 1/350 DD Fletcher and would like to know the best PE to go with it. I intend to model DD449 USS Nicholas at commissioning. Tom's and Edouard appear very different re parts/price. Also Tamiya paintcode: I read the Hex tab XF-9:1 + XF-50:2 as one part XF-9 mixed with two parts XF-50. Is this correct? Thanks for your help! Russell Adams Windsor NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: John Kutina Subject: Seattle Post-Intelligencer http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Vinson%20Homecoming Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume