Subject: SMML VOL 2306 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:26:30 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: term of 'Big Risk' for ORISKANY..... 2: USS Lexingtion CV 16 3: Re: ORISKANY and filming of Toko Ri.... 4: Re: Brass monkeys 5: Re: Brass Monkey 6: The temperature sensitivity of brass monkeys 7: The Big Risk explained 8: Re: Paper Models 9: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references 10: USCG Eastwind Decks 11: Re: HMS FURIOUS 1917 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: stillmo Subject: Re: term of 'Big Risk' for ORISKANY..... Her pet name was 'O Boat', never heard of the term Big Risk...... news to me. RD Bean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: USS Lexingtion CV 16 Hey can any body tell me what was or is color of THE USS LEXINGTION NOW as she sits as a floating musume or can tell me or send me to a like that will give me a good idea of her, FOR I am doing one with her angle deck, I want to get as close as I can on color this time. Thanks Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: stillmo Subject: Re: ORISKANY and filming of Toko Ri.... Yes, ORISKANY was used in the filming of the Bridges at Toko Ri... you will have to wear out and freeze frame your VCE as the pan shots of the entire ship are rare and hard to look at in just a few seconds. Are you making the model of the O BOAT as she looked in axial deck (no angled deck but rebuilt island), or or the fully converted angled deck Revell kit described in earlier threads.? Two distinctive time frames and eras or decades... RD Bean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: aandmblevins, Subject: Re: Brass monkeys As the man said, this has been discussed here and other sites before. It was pretty well established that cannon balls were stored in "shot racks", wooden troughs placed along the deck near the cannons. The theory of the triangular piled cannon balls on a brass plate was pretty much debunked. The place you do see such triangular piled shot is in a land display. Al Blevins ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Devin Subject: Re: Brass Monkey According to several urban legend websites, Truth or Fiction here: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/brassmonkeys.htm and the USN Historical Center, the story about the origin of the 'Brass Ball' story just isn't true. Now, who would guess that a sea story would be made up? :) Devin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: GKingzett Subject: The temperature sensitivity of brass monkeys SMMLer's I have been following this charming thread with a good deal of interest. I have one comment. Male bovine excrement!! If the shot rack (brass monkey, I doubt if it was brass anyway, but that is another story) is 4' long, and the temperature drops from a high of 150° F to a low of -50° F the brass will contract 3/32". The pile of cannon balls will contract 1/16". The difference of 1/32" is pretty significant to us 1:700 and 1:350 modelers, but hardly noticeable to 1:1 cannoneers, particularly if they are shivering. I fear the truth still eludes us. But I submit the following. This story probably stems from Victorian times. The Queen was so sensitive to sexual innuendo that she and her noble subjects could not bear to discuss arms and legs; they were called limbs in polite society, and the legs of chairs and tables were covered with cloth ruffles to disguise their suggestive contour. I suspect that the lower decks were populated by people of a more earthy nature, and somewhere in there could be found some fairly crude humor at the expense of the more sensitive nobility. I don't know at what temperature that brass monkey would begin to sing soprano, but I doubt it had anything to do with shot racks and cannon balls. BTW, I am originally from North Dakota, which gets almost as cold as our Canadian friends endure, and I can say confidently, it gets cold enough that you don't give a damn about the condition of some monkey, you have more personal and immediate concerns of your own. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: raisingirl Subject: The Big Risk explained hello all -- Daniel Kurtz asked, regarding USS Oriskany: >> 'The Big Risk'? << Yup, I forget which book I read that in, but a pilot who was stationed aboard her referred to her as that. I've also heard her referred to as the O-Boat, too, but "The Big Risk" is especially clever, at least to me.... jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: William Weckel Subject: Re: Paper Models FWIW, I just purchased my first paper models: The USS Spadefish, USS Archerfish, and a Japanese I-boat, all made by Halinski of Poland. The printing is very nice and my overall impression of them good. I got all three from Paper Models International of Oregon for about $25 USD. I just bought my first house and moved this weekend, so I thought paper sub models models might be my best shot at getting something accomplished - most of my time will probably be spent unpacking, arranging, redecorating etc.... It may be awhile before I can set up a workshop to do my plastic kits. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Ian Archer" Subject: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references Hi! I've decided on the Tamiya 1/350 Prince of Wales as my next project and I hope list members will recommend some good references with photos and drawings. I would like to depict this ship in May 1941 configuration. Any comments and suggestions are welcome! Thank you Ian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "David Edgerly" Subject: USCG Eastwind Decks Hello list! I am building the old Revell Eastwind and need some advice. What is the makeup of the decks? Are there steel plate as well as wood? Does the Helipad have a non-slip surface? What colors would the steel deck plates and the Helipad be? I would also like to thank Loren Perry for the great photo etch set for this oldie, it is very good! Your help is appreciated. Dave E ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "James Baumann" Subject: Re: HMS FURIOUS 1917 Hello all, One of my current projects on the bench is the Loose Cannon 1/700 HMS FURIOUS for which I have the relevant Warship profiles, I have had photographed by a friend (on Mr Alan Ravens advice ; thanks!) the Glossop model in the Imperial war museum, collected just about all the photos I could find off the net and a variety of books and STILL I am stabbing in the dark on two particular aspects... All the stern view photos( which I have so far) from which the aft end of the aft hangar at the stern is visible show a gaping black hole...!! was there no 'roller shutter door' or something similar or internal doors...? I would hate to have handled light fragile arcraft with 30 knots of breeeze from astern... soomeone somwhere MUST KNOW! the second query is hopefully easier....;^D looking at the side elevation of the ship, between the fwd face of the aft hangar and the aftermost 5.5 in turret at the deck edge there are two 'cowls'(?) both sides of the ship, these have in section apparently a triangular top and extend inboard a so far indetermined distance, they contain a 'thingie'(?) each. The question is.... were these open at the inboard end, what are the thingies inside, how far inboard does the 'cowl' extend best of all does anyone have a drawing/ close-up photo or HIGH RESOLUTION of the said area that I can zoom in on; all the copies of the photos I have are insuffieciently good quality for me to enlarge; I am on Broadband ;so can handle a large file.... Thank you all here is hoping someone can help! JIM BAUMANN in England ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume