Subject: SMML VOL 2307 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:23:01 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Paper Submarine Models purchased by William Weckel 2: Re: Oriskany Nickname 3: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references 4: Re: Brass Monkey Appendages 5: German Ships on the Danube 6: Re: USCGC Eastwind 7: Re: Deck Colour of RCN Tribal DDs WW II 8: Hobby shops in Milano or Florens, Italy 9: Re: The Big Risk explained 10: discoveries underwater 11: Things to do in the Netherlands 12: 1/350 Fletcher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: USS Lexingtion CV 16/Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Gmshoda Subject: Re: Paper Submarine Models purchased by William Weckel My impression is that paper models are somewhat time consuming. I built a couple of free downloads: HMS Dreadnought from Digital Navy & the monitor HMVS Cerberus from Model Shipways. Both were very long projects. I was amazed by the fit on the Digital Navy project. I don't think you can rush paper models. For one thing, you lose so many parts and your eyes get weary cutting out small parts. A nice slow, patient pace is best for your sanity and best results. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Stephenquock Subject: Re: Oriskany Nickname Ahoy Mates, When I served aboard the USS Oriskany during the 1964-65 WesPac cruise, we always referred to her as the Big "O". Also, my cruise books uses Big "O" in reference to the ship. As do the Oriskany Reunion Association. Stephen Quock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Gabriel\(DSL\)" Subject: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references >> I've decided on the Tamiya 1/350 Prince of Wales as my next project and I hope list members will recommend some good references with photos and drawings. I would like to depict this ship in May 1941 configuration. Any comments and suggestions are welcome! << I've built the King George V and discovered that good references are hard to find, unless someone else has had a better experience they could share. Here's what I know, Ensign 1 King George The Fifth Class Battleship - excellent resource good photos and diagrams. Unfortunately long out of print, occasionally shows up on E-bay and I think I saw a copy on White Ensigns website which was really expensive! Next King George The V Class Battleships by V.E. Tarrant, this book has a few pictures but is mostly text so I don't consider it a good modelling resource, excellent historical reference! Finally Morza Statki I Okrety which covers the entire class including the KGV, Prince of Wales, Duke of York, Anson and Howe which has lot of images of the different ships. It's available from several sources including armybook.com. One other book I should mention is the infamous King George V Battleships: A Volume in the ShipCraft Model-Building Series by Roger Chesneau. Apparently the publisher is in receivership or something and this much anticipated volume may never see the light of day. Cheers Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Re: Brass Monkey Appendages This sounds to me like a typical antipodean concoction. One of the things about irony is that it isn't meant to be taken literally. Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey doesn't actually mean "freezing the balls off a brass monkey". If you are male and you've ever jumped into the cold sea on a winter's day, wearing nothing but a pair of briefs you know what this phrase refers to. So if it's cold enough to freeze the proverbials off a brass anthropoid it must be bloody cold. Billy Connolly once described the sensation of having his scrotum touch the North Sea, whilst his teacher screamed "in the water Connolly, ya big jessie!". It didn't sound pleasant. I'm not sure this phrase is of a purely nautical derivation. Steve Varhegyi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Arjun Sarup" Subject: German Ships on the Danube Hi, Thanks for all the enlightening comments on brass monkeys and their freezing properties, and more specifically, about splicing the main brace. When it gets uncomfortably cold down in Mauritius, I'll think about brass monkeys, and how splicing the main brace might be an instant cure to restore body temperatures back to normal. Watching the BBC news lately, there was a news clip about how German ships were found as a result of the low water level in the Danube. There was a mention about a hospital ship that was scuttled, and there were pictures of an unidentified wreck. Would anybody know about, or point towards a source of reference on these lost German ships? Were there major units lost, or was most of it boats? Regards, Arjun Sarup Mauritius http://pages.intnet.mu/warbirds/warships/index2.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: USCGC Eastwind >> I am building the old Revell Eastwind and need some advice. What is the makeup of the decks? Are there steel plate as well as wood? Does the Helipad have a non-slip surface? What colors would the steel deck plates and the Helipad be? << Hi Dave, Depends on when you want to your model to be. The Revell model is a composite of several different refits and isn't terribly accurate. It isn't even the Eastwind but it's close enough. The main deck and 01 deck were wood. The flight deck was wood slats with a solid mat in the center. A large landing circle was painted in on the landing deck with (at varying times) an X, an H, or crossed lines on it. There may have been non-skid on the mat depending on the year. The Main deck may have been painted deck blue, deck grey or natural, depending on the year. Best regards, Duane Fowler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Jeffon10 Subject: Re: Deck Colour of RCN Tribal DDs WW II Re item 10 on WW II destroyer deck colors (especially for Mr. Paul O'Reilly) I regret I can't assist specifically on Candian WW II destroyer "latex" deck colors. However, the booklet "Canada's Flowers," subtitled "History of the Corvettes of Canada, 1939-1945," page 86, by Thomas G Lynch reads "Semtex surfaces were no longer to be painted." for the period late 1944-45. (The semtex areas were where the crew were required to work frequently as on the quarterdeck.) This, suggests to me that Canadian combatant decks were not monotone from stem to stern throughout the war. Thanks for keeping the question of WW II destroyer deck colors alive. Much has been written of side colors of allied warships, but there remain issues on deck colors. My review of black and white photos of various Commonwealth and US destroyer decks of WW II indicates some particular overall monotone gray color stem to stern is probably inadequate. Regards, Jeff Fenton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Pelle Bergschöld" Subject: Hobby shops in Milano or Florens, Italy Does someone have a tip or two regarding shopping in Milan and Florence, Italy? I thought that I'd be better off touring "our" kind of shops as my travel mate investigates the fashion industry. My receipts doesnt look as bad as usual when she's got even more expensive ones.. I'm especially looking for ships in 1/700 in plastic or resin. BR Pelle SWE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Daniel Kurtz Subject: Re: The Big Risk explained >> Yup, I forget which book I read that in, but a pilot who was stationed aboard her referred to her as that. I've also heard her referred to as the O-Boat, too, but "The Big Risk" is especially clever, at least to me.... << Interesting. I collect nicknames. That now makes 4 that I have for Oriskany: O Boat Toasted O Big O, The Big Risk, The ddk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Fraser Subject: discoveries underwater Hi does anyone have a video of the old 1986 BBC series "Discoveries underwater", preferably in PAL or PAL-secam format? I would like a copy for a friend as he would like to see the scuttling of "hms Implacable" but I have lost mine :-( I will of course cover all expenses and pay for it. Any help would be gratefuly received. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Things to do in the Netherlands Hallo all, This probably has been asked before ... I will be spending two weeks in the Netherlands (starting October 10th) in the North (about 50 km north of Amsterdam, Julianadorp). What maritime things are there to do? I think there is a naval base somewhere nearby. Can they be visited or are they closed to public. Is there a good spot to watch boats? Thanks for any kind of suggestions .... Happy modelling Werner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Russell Adams" Subject: 1/350 Fletcher Thanks to Ed Grune and Loren Perry for the info re Fletcher PE. Russell Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS Lexingtion CV 16/Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references >> Hey can any body tell me what was or is color of THE USS LEXINGTION NOW as she sits as a floating musume or can tell me or send me to a like that will give me a good idea of her, FOR I am doing one with her angle deck, I want to get as close as I can on color this time. << She is (or SHOULD be) modern Haze Gray, with steel decks in modern Deck Gray, and flight deck in modern Flight Deck Gray. You can buy all three colors accurately matched in our Colourcoats enamels: M03 Modern USN Haze Gray M04 Modern USN Deck Gray M05 Modern USN Flight Deck Gray If you're building her full-hull, you'll also need M06 Modern USN Antifouling Red. >> I've decided on the Tamiya 1/350 Prince of Wales as my next project and I hope list members will recommend some good references with photos and drawings. I would like to depict this ship in May 1941 configuration. Any comments and suggestions are welcome! << Right now, your best references are out of print but available if you look hard: Ensign 1, King George the Fifth Class Battleships by Alan Raven is a softbound that contains good photos of PoW, as well as camouflage drawings (but not all the requisite color information). We have a copy priced at £50.00. British Battleships of World War Two by Alan Raven and John Roberts is the ultimate book on the subject. We have 3 copies available, but they're not cheap, being priced from £160 to £180. In May 1941 she was in the same camouflage scheme as HOOD: overall AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey on all vertical surfaces, AP 507A Admiralty Dark Grey on steel decks. Her wood decks may have been unpainted teak, or they may have been painted AP 507A. Black funnel cap & boot topping, RN White top & underwater hull to any admiral's barge carried, mid green hull of any Admiral's barge carried, Mahogany interior of open boats & boat booms, RN Antifouling Red on the underwater hull. In Colourcoats enamels, these would be: RN01 AP 507A RN02 AP 507B RN10 RN White RN19 RN Antifouling Red US15 Mahogany Flight Deck Stain (for the mahogany) M17 RN Deck Green (for the mid green) C02 Matt Black Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume