Subject: SMML VOL 2308 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:20:56 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Furious 1918 2: Re: Hobby shops in Milano or Florens, Italy 3: Re: USCGC Eastwind 4: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands 5: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands 6: Re: German ships in the Danube 7: USS Lexington (CV-16) colors 8: HMS FURIOUS 1917 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "david angelo" Subject: Furious 1918 Hi Jim, The triagular pieces in question are the armored boxes containing the triple 21" torpedo tubes. Part # 29 in the kit. They should have hatches on either end. As far as I've been able to determine, the end of the hanger was a gaping hole without doors. I'd speculate that a canvas curtain was rigged to close it off but I've never seen pictures of anything but a black hole. Our loss, as the opportunity is there to detail the hanger interior, but no data on what it would look like. Best Regards, David Angelo Loose Cannon Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "enrico_villa\@libero\.it" Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Milano or Florens, Italy Pelle, I can suggest a couple in Milan: - Movo (piazza Principessa Clotilde 8) - closest tube stop: Repubblica (line 3 - yellow) - Al Soldatino ( Viale Umbria 41) - closest tube stop: Lodi (line 3 - yellow) You can catch the yellow line downtown, right in Duomo square. "Al Soldatino" is smaller but usually has a very good range of ships, including some resin models. Unluckily both are far from the fashion district, so you'll have to go alone... Hope this helps! Enrico ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Loren Perry Subject: Re: USCGC Eastwind >> Depends on when you want to your model to be. The Revell model is a composite of several different refits and isn't terribly accurate. It isn't even the Eastwind but it's close enough. The main deck and 01 deck were wood. The flight deck was wood slats with a solid mat in the center. A large landing circle was painted in on the landing deck with (at varying times) an X, an H, or crossed lines on it. There may have been non-skid on the mat depending on the year. The Main deck may have been painted deck blue, deck grey or natural, depending on the year. << Duane is highly knowledgeable on USCG vessels. But I've seen at least one undated photo of the Eastwind (port quarter view while she was moored at a pier) and when I compared it point for point to the Revell kit, everything matched other than one extra radar on the prototype that wasn't shown on Revell's model. That extra radar is included in the GMM set. And it's highly probable that Revell may have photographed and researched the real ship just prior to that radar's installation. Their kit was designed in the 1956-1957 period. With this exception, the Revell kit looked dead on to me, at least for that time frame. And most of the Revell kit very closely matches the official 1/48 scale builder's model (shown in WW2 configuration) of a Wind-class icebreaker that's currently on display at the Coast Guard Museum in Seattle. Photos of this superb model also appear in P.C. Coker's legendary modeler's book Building Warship Models (long out of print.) I used this model as a source when designing the GMM PE set for the Revell kits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands Hello Werner, There will be a lot for you to do and see. Julianadorp is nearby Den Helder, there you find the Dutch Navy Musuem, with the HrMs Scorpioen (before 1900), HrMs Abraham Crijnsen (WW 2 minesweeper) and the Hr.Ms. Tonijn (submarine). In the same yard where the Navy Museum is you will find a Lighthouse "Lichtschip Texel" and a tug the Holland. Also placed in the yard, it is the old Navy shipyard "Rijkswerf" is the Rescue Museum Dorus Rijkers and there is a place called the Traditie kamer (historie chamber of the yard). In the Reddings Museum Dorus Rijkers there are a couple of old life boats. In the Traditie kamer you can find old guns, radars, etc (al kind of stuff the used to work with). Than of course you can go to Amsterdam, to the Maritime Museum, with a lot of ships in cluding the VOC ship Amsterdam. If you lik more of this old stuff you can visit the Batavia Yard in Lelystad. Yes the Batavia is back form down under and they are now building the famous Zeven Provinvien, the ship of admiral De Ruyter. Smaller old dutch ships you can found in Enkhuizen in the Zuiderzee Museum. Also nice for wives and kids because there they build also old Zuiderzee houses. If you like to meet modelers I can bring you in touch with some people in Den Helder. BTW they will go to a meeting from the IPMS Ship group in Gouda on the 18th of october. I think you will not stay till the 1st of november than there will be our IPMS Nationals in Nieuwegein. Greetings, Michiel Woort ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands The maritime museum in Amsterdam is outstanding! Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Fkbrown90 Subject: Re: German ships in the Danube To: Arjun Sarup I suggest you obtain a copy of the book "The Imperial and Royal Austro-Hungarian Navy" by Anthony E. Sokol, published by the U.S. Naval Institute, Annapolis, Maryland, USA, in 1968. Your local librarian should be able to borrow it from the interlibrary loan network, as it is a relatively rare book, and long out of print. The illustrations are actually glued into "framed" pages by hand. The author was an Austrian navy officer, and has written extensively about the early period of the World War 1 beginnings in the Balkans (which quickly escalated northward and became WW 1). If I remember correctly, he claims that the first shots (after the assassination of Duke Ferdinand) were fired from Serbian river monitors. There were several engagements with shore batteries, etc. His narration is, of course, from the point of view of "the other side", and is very interesting. Let us know what you find. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "William B Luther" Subject: USS Lexington (CV-16) colors There are 2 good references for the Lex as she is now/was as a CVT. Detail and Scale #29 has a number of color photos of her as a operating training carrier. Squadrons latest On Deck, #2 is on the Lexington. There are photos of her, freshly painted in preparation to being turned over to the "Museum on the Bay" in Corpus Christi. Two things struck me about her paint job. The flight deck is very, very dark, much darker than "normal" deck grey. I even looks darker than the non-skid walkways I remember on the Chi-town, which were darker than the "Deck Grey". The other is the Island has much more black paint than any other carrier I have ever seen. If you want to do the Lexington as she is now, the Squadron on Deck is the next best thing to actually going down to see her. Bill Luther ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: HMS FURIOUS 1917 Jim, According to the text in Friedman's British Carrier Aviation, the after hangar on Furious after her refit in 1917/1918 was 116' x 33' x 15'-6". The after hangar had a stern door 18'-6" x 14', into which aircraft could be swung over the quarterdeck. As for the triangular thingies between the aft hangar and the aftermost 5.5"gun, I believe these are the triple 21" torpedo tubes which were configured I think in a triangle format viz. one tube on top and two below. They may have been covered by a cowl. Thanks for the question, Jim, it forced me to look at Norman Friedman's book again and to reconfirm it is a truly excellent work. Sincerely, John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references I forgot to list the currently-available Profile Morskie number 49 on PoW. Lots and lots of plans, some photos, and an inaccurate camouflage profile. We have it in stock for £12.50, and it would be a pretty good source for detailing your model. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume