Subject: SMML VOL 2311 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:33:33 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Modelling Late Victorian Battleships 2: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships 3: Gar wood speedster RC boat Help? 4: USS Holland (SS-1) CD 5: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships 6: USS Hornet Hangerbay 7: Re: Late Victorian Battleships 8: The Flecher class 9: Re: Victorian BB book 10: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships 11: Re: Great Lakes Steamer SS Juniata 12: CV-14, -19 /early WW II 13: Re: Great Lakes Steamer SS Juniata 14: Re: Modelling (late) Victorian Battleships 15: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references 16: Re: Paper Models 17: USS Hoist ARS-40 18: Scratch-building platforms and deckhouses 19: WWII US Landing Craft ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: Modelling Late Victorian Battleships This book is available direct from the publisher, Pier Books. Search on this and the URL will come up. I have this book. It is excellent. Its really a companion volume to Advanced Ship Modelling also by Brian King published by Nexus in the UK. Its a scratchbuilder's book, and one if you know how to use a lathe and a mill. Best, Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SeaPhoto Subject: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships Hi Jim, I got my copy from Pier Books. The link to their website is: http://www.tco.com/pierbooks/ They don't show the book on the page, so email them for information on how to get it. If you are interested in that era of ship, you will find the book very useful indeed. Cordially, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography - onboard details and overhead views of modern warships www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway - learn about large scale radio control warship models. www.warshipmodelsunderway.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: Gar wood speedster RC boat Help? Hello this is Don that Portland Rustbucket. I am trying to help some one with something I am not use of working with may be one you have done this in the pass. I am trying to help a person that is building a RC model of a Gar wood speedster boat. Here is some of the questions he is asking. He is asking what is the best way to stane it? What to use in sealing it? What to use in keeping its high gloss finish. We are not all that sure on what to use or how to do it. I am a US Navy ship building ;-) He had to cut all of his wood, then plank it, He is also working with nice mohognay wood. This one is kind of out of my lead. I am use to working with reg wood and then painting it. This one has me stump? So Any help would be very gratefull thanks alot for any and all help Don That Portland Rustbucket By the way thank you for all of the help on LEX it will pay off and I did pick up some of book information you told me about thank you agin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GWMcCue Subject: USS Holland (SS-1) CD Back in January, there was considerable interest in the USS Holland CD produced by IBM. When existing stocks were deleted, I asked people to wait for the new and improved CD. The new CD can now be ordered from IBM. 1) Go to the IBM PLM website (www.ibm.com/solutions.plm) 2) Search for Holland 3) Select one of the "news" articles 4) When the news item comes up look for a link on the right side of the page to register for a complementary CD. This CD contains historical information from my website (www.geocities.com/gwmccue), a couple of papers that we gave at various conventions, a description of how the computer model of the USS Holland was created, dozens of pictures of the computer model, historic photos, original Holland drawings, and computer simulations of various operations such as submerging, firing a torpedo, reloading the tube and propulsion plant operation with voice overs. Gary McCue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Douglas Simpkin Subject: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships James Baumann asked where he could get a copy of "Modeling Late Victorian Battleships" by Brian King. In the US this book is available for $35 (as of earlier this year) from Dave Roach at Pier Books. Email him at pier.bks@icu.com; I'm sure he can put you in touch with a UK distributor, if you don't want to purchase from him directly. His phone number 1-(845)268-5845. Good book. No plans of the ships, but lots of photos of master-modeler and author Mr. King's techniques and final products. Bob Friedman wrote on the Seaways Shipmodeling List: >> As an aside, John Bowen, editor of Model Shipwright, just gave Brian's Battleships a rare full page review. He Called the book "invaluable to Modelmakers......for the wealth of practical information it contains." "Highly recommended." << Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mastershipbldr Subject: USS Hornet Hangerbay Done anyone know where I can get photo etching for the inside of hornets hangerbay. I am looking for her truss work in the overhead and any details for her hanger bay area. Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Kathy/Pirie Sublett" Subject: Re: Late Victorian Battleships Jim: It was advertised in Model Ship Journal, Autumn 2002. Published by Pier Books/DuPont Communications, P.O. Box #5, Piermont, NY (USA) 10968-0005. There's an ad by the publisher on p.52 giving the price as $35 plus $8 S&H to the UK (or $15 air). Pirie Sublett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Don Macdonald" Subject: The Flecher class GOOD Morning this is Don agin. Hey on the one that is looking for Flecher information it looks like ever body has sudjusted what I was going to say it all help me when I was doing my 4 ft RC USS THE SULLIVANS DD 537, in 1/8th scale. But let me throw in my 2 cents since I have done it all ready, The net was good as well, If you know of any of the flechers that are musumes you may be able to write and maybe get some information like I did, OR know of someone that has pictures of the real ships, IF you were near any of the ship yards that realy built the flechers and explan on what your doing maybe you may get some answers as well. THE books that have been sudjusted help me and I do recomend them there are good!. I hope some of this may be helpfull to ya. MY DD is on the SMML online picture board if your intrested Shane has been very kind and keap it on the board, O yes thank you Shane for your kindness!!. Don That Portland Rustbucket ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Doug Marrel Subject: Re: Victorian BB book I bought mine from Pier books in New York. Very interesting book. Unique. Their web site is: http://www.tco.com/pierbooks/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Terry Wiltshire" Subject: Re: Modelling (late?) Victorian Battleships Jim I bought this book in June. It only seems to be available directly from the publisher. I seem to recall that Brian King has also done a book on DIY photo etching. Below is their e-mail to me with prices etc. >> David Roach [pier.bks@icu.com] Yes we are the publisher - 148 pages, 390 photos and line drawings including a 12 page color photo section; hardbound; US$35 + S&H; S&H USA @ $3 media mail, S&H (P/P) UK & Europe, Japan, Australia is $8 surface mail or $10 by "Global Priority Mail"(about 1 week delivery). We accept checks & money orders (US$ on US banks) as well as Visa, MasterCard, and Discover credit cards. Thank you, Dave Roach Pier Books Inc. P.O. Box #5 Piermont, NY 10968-0005 USA Tel# (845) 268-5845 Fax# (845) 268-8804 << Terry Budapest ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Re: Great Lakes Steamer SS Juniata Bill, The SS Juniata looks to be the classic Lakes steamer. Considering the variety of craft that sailed the Great Lakes it is surprising how few have made it to kit form. Time to scratchbuild! Time to make the pilgrimage to Bowling Green and the Historical Collection of the Great Lakes for source material. When was she built and by whom? Doug Wilde ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: HAZEGRAYADM Subject: CV-14, -19 /early WW II I'm planning on doing an early war version of the Ticonderoga which had (Like Hancock) a cut out in her flight deck, port side, just above the hanger deck sponson w/ the 40mm mounts. I need some dimensions on &/or drawings showing that cut out. Anyone know of a source for that info? Unless I have an old issue of their catalogue, the Floating Drydock doesn't have same. Bert McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Tom Detweiler" Subject: Re: Great Lakes Steamer SS Juniata >> My grandfather was the radio officer aboard the SS Juniata, a great lakes passenger steamer, during the inter-war years. He met my grandmother, a passenger, aboard her during one of it's runs. Anyone ever see anything like this in kit form? Some pics: http://www.milwaukeeclipper.com/pictures/Juniata/Juniatagallery.htm << Bill Weckel: I was doing some research on these ships for my mother, who was a secretary aboard one of the steamers, the SS City of Grand Rapids, when she was a young woman. I found the SSCoGR and the site you mentioned, and another site that Canada maintains on Great Lakes Ships. Please contact me off list and I'll see if my mom still has the bookmarks. Tom Detweiler ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Michael D'Silva" Subject: Re: Modelling (late) Victorian Battleships Hi Jim Bauman, I think the book you seek is Advanced Ship Modelling by Brian King. This is available from amazon.co.uk for £11.17. You will find it with search criteria "brian king". There is also a new book called Workshop Practices for Ship Modellers: A Complete Practical Guide for the Occasional Engineer by Brian King @ £17.50 I already own Advanced Ship Modelling and can gladly say it's well worth having. Good luck in your quest... Michael D'Silva Scoresby, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Vess Irvine" Subject: Re: Battleship PRINCE OF WALES references Hi Ian: This is just my opinion, expressed previously, but not always greeted with aprobation in this group. Buy the GPM 1/200th HMS Prince of Wales for I think about $25. It is a printed cardstock model out of Poland, modern technology, state of the art, CAD/CAM drawings, pretty good parts fit, quality acid free paper, much better then the models from the Communist era, since free enterprise and Capitalism has imporved the Polish models beyond anything you have ever seen. The multicolored paint scheme is already printed on the parts, and this becomes a terrific reference for the amount of money you pay, even if you do not build the paper model itself. Do a www.google.com web search on "GPM HMS Prince of Wales." You will find where you can buy it quite quickly. The model comes in a large 17 x 11 magazine format and has about 16 pages of detailed drawings as well. The pictures of the built-up model that come with it will blow you away. Never in my modeling life have I seen so much delivered for so little money. Then again, once you have seen this model, you may decide to build it and your idea of building the Tamiya may become one of those ancient ideas relegated to the dustbins of history . Hey I have the Tamiya in my closet stash too. Vess Irvine Estes Park, Colorado ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Vess Irvine" Subject: Re: Paper Models Hi William: I too have the Halinski Archerfish and IJN OTSU I-19 Gata. They are published in either 1/200th or 1/100th scale, your choice. Both terrific value and darn good looking. Good luck. Only problem, the paper models are somewhat bigger then what you might be used to. Your new house may run out of space for the completed kits! LOL. But the ones in your unbuilt stash take up much less space then resin/plastic. They lie flat in magazine format and I just slide all of them under my bed.. Backup copies of the models reside scanned into my computer, which takes up no space at all with the gigabyte hard drives you can obtain these days. Vess Irvine Estes Park, Colorado ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: GtLakesMem Subject: USS Hoist ARS-40 Does anyone know where I can obtain modeling plans of the ARS Class of Salvage Vessels that included the USS HOIST? There was also a recent mention of a book that included the plans of U. S. Naval Vessels. Does anyone know if that book is still available? Where might it be obtained? Thank you. Al Jackman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Mike Potter Subject: Scratch-building platforms and deckhouses I'm building platforms and deckhouses to modify a ship model to match actual modifications in service. These decks and bulkheads have intricate shapes. I found a way to do this using the drawing toolbar in Microsoft PowerPoint. The same drawing toolbar exists in MS-Word and MS-Excel. Any other drawing software that has a dimensioning capability should work equally well. In PowerPoint, increase the zoom to the maximum, 400% in PowerPoint. Turn off snap-to-grid. Draw the component, using lines, circles, boxes, etc. Right-click on the geometric objects to define exact length, angle, diameter, etc. The dimensions need to be those of the model. You can flip objects to create symmetrical shapes, use shift-arrow to drag points along straight lines, use control-arrow to duplicate objects, all sorts of functions. I have not seen a book that fully documents all the drawing capabilities in this software, nor does the on-line help list them all. It is a lot of fun to try. When complete, print the drawing. The printed image has the exact size of the part. Stick a Post-It note over the drawing so that the sticky part of the Post-It covers the drawing. Insert the same sheet of paper with the Post-It note back in the printer. Reprint the drawing. Now the Post-It has the drawing on it. Stick the Post-It on a sheet of thin styrene. I use .005-inch sheets. Cut out the part. Voila. If the part doesn't fit, modify the drawing and repeat. You can use paper instead of styrene to simulate the part and then use styrene when it fits. My inkjet printer won't print to styrene, or at least not to clear styrene. Attach the new deck to rigid styrene such right-angle strips to create the platform or deck house. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: WWII US Landing Craft Dear All Knowing that one or two of you are interested in ships designed to interface with land-based beings, I thought you might like an impression of the (relatively) new Squadron/Signal book on the subject. WWII US Landing Craft in action Warships Number 17 Squadron Signal Publications By Al Adcock ISBN 0-89747-451-1 This book is in the familiar Squadron Signal format and offers a detailed, illustrated account of US landing craft (like it says on the cover). As one might expect from this publisher, the narrative is based around an excellent selection of well printed photographs. There is a section for each of the major types employed by the Americans which gives technical background and dimensions with a short synopsis of their operational use. There are well rendered plans for some of the craft and a double-page spread of coloured illustrations of the vessels. So much for the outline, what of the content. This is a very useful reference. There has been a dearth of information on landing craft, so this title is very welcome. As the last reference on this subject was probably the reproduction of the wartime recognition books, this has been a long time coming. It is, perhaps, disappointing that it is limited to US vessels, but hopefully they have a separate title planned to cover these? As to the actual information imparted: There is little that was new to me but, on the other hand, my old references are not widely available, so this will certainly be useful to a new audience. There are some helpful bits on armament and, probably most useful, a great deal of colour reference numbers. My only problem with this title is the picture captioning. They read as if the author was struggling for something to say as there is some repetition and a couple of inaccuracies. The most obvious of these are that it is twice stated that, whereas the US landing craft tended to preface the vessel number with 'US', British vessels prefaced theirs with 'UK'. This is not so. By far the most common British preface was the vessel type (eg 'LCI(L) 163'). That said though, this is a useful title. Food writers have long had 'fusion' cooking to excite their readers. Landing Craft present a handy crossover topic for model makers who do ships and tanks. This, therefore is our 'fusion' topic. Hope this proves helpful in making a decision. Dan Taylor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume