Subject: SMML VOL 2316 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:30:11 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: USS Nimitz bow shape 2: Re: Prince of Wales References 3: S-BOOT BRIDGE 4: Re: S-BOOT QUESTION 5: Re: Paint References (John Snyder) 6: Panda USS Cole ----- Decals 7: Re: Speaking American (Oriskany) 8: Re: Oriskany/USS Maddox 9: Re: The 1/600 shipyard 10: Re: early ww2 essex long hull 11: Re: Prince of Wales colours 12: Re: HMS Hood 13: 1/350 kit list 14: Re: S-100 wheelhouse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: WEM 1/400 Kriegsmarine Anti-Aircraft weapons ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: USS Nimitz bow shape I received this message today, through my modelwarship.com site. If you have any information about this, please respond direct to Mr Stevens. He asks: >> Can you post this on a message board, if you have one? As you all know, Trumpeter Models is in the process of tooling a 1/350 USS Nimitz CVN68(1975) Carrier. They have nearly 100% of the research and design completed, however there is some discussion regarding the shape of the bow. The Nimitz, in 1975, had a "bulbous" bow, but the actual correct shape of this bulb/bow section is not 100% definite. We are asking for anyone who has 100% accurate documentation for the 1975 CVN68 to let us know with photos or links to sites where this bow can be seen. As you know, Trumpeter is meticulous and determined to get this massive kit correct and this is an opportunity for modelers to help in the final step of this process. Please copy any reply to stevensin@aol.com. If we can get this documentation very soon, this kit will be on the shelves in Jan/Feb 04. Anyone going to Hobbyvisions in Las Vegas next week can stop by booth 440 to say hi to the owner of the factory as well as us at Stevens International Thanks, and happy modelling! Stevens International PO Box 126 706 N White Horse Pike Magnolia, NJ 08049 USA PH: 856-435-1555 Fax: 856-627-6274 E-Mail: Stevensin@aol.com www.stevenshobby.com << Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Webmaster, Model Warship 72 www.modelwarship.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Prince of Wales References Several months ago, I believe that a general review of the model in question was posted on this or the Steel Navy board, and as now, the question of the accuracy of the colours was raised. Being so long ago I cannot remember who the person was who said that the colours were wrong. I believe that V Irvine was the person making the original post. As a follow up to my above note, I do not trust anything that comes out of Eastern Europe that deals with RN ships. On those that I have looked at in respect of the artwork there are many errors. At first glance things look very good but as one goes deeper more and more errors crop up. I understand that this applies also to ships of the German Navy, according to posts from others in the past. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "David Clark" Subject: S-BOOT BRIDGE Jim I'm not an expert on S-Boats and I haven't even snipped one part from the sprue of my Revell kit but I may be able to help. If you haven't already done so, pay a visit to the Prinz Eugen site. It has a great collection of S-Boat photographs and an incomplete account of making and improving the Revell kit. The URL is http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm A photo on the Prinz Eugen site shows a commander on the bridge passing orders to the wheelhouse through a voice pipe. Another photo shows a view of a cockpit through parially dismantled armour. Labelled are doors to the pilot house and upper bridge. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: MicroGee Subject: Re: S-BOOT QUESTION >> I have the Revell Schnellboot, S-100 Klasse and am puzzled about one seeming ommission. The open bridge conning station does not seem to have any access to the armored wheelhouse below. There seems to be no hatchway, or other means of getting into or even communicating with the enclosed navigation station. The only way I can see to get to that cupola is either through the forward hatch just aft of the forward 2 cm gun tub or the aft hatch just forward of the depth charge rails. This is puzzling. Obviously the boat couldn't be adequately conned from the cupola when the windshield covers werre down as there were only narrow vision slits available then. There were no controls at the open bridge, only the torpedo aiming binoculars. Williamson's "German E-Boats, 1939-45" indicates that the skipper would communicate through a "port" with the navigating station below. This seems kind of primitive. Does anyone know (1) how anyone could conveniently get to the wheelhouse from the deck or open bridge? and (2) how the commander guided the nearly blind folks in the wheelhouse other than shouting though some kind of "port"? << Hi Jim, The small scale of the Revell kit probably omits some details, the ones you mentioned among them. I built a heavily modified 32nd Parallel kit in 1:32 scale some 20 years ago, and had the good fortune to have some photos of the bridge. There was a small door just to the left of the torpedo aiming console, which apparently led down to the wheelhouse. Also, there was another door on the aft side of the cockpit that led to the radio room. Voice tubes were used to send commands below to both wheelhouse and engine rooms. Hope this is of help. Karl Kalb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: Paint References (John Snyder) Hi Dan, As John's knee deep in his own work right now, I thought I'd answer on the shows issue. WEM only does two shows a year. We did 20 in one year. It almost killed us, and all but two were loss-makers. These are the two that remain: 1. The UK IPMS Nationals, the biggest IPMS show in the world. As far as WEM is concerned, this show is seriously worth hauling out of bed for ;^) This year it is Saturday and Sunday the 22nd and 23rd of November. Why don't you make it a date? Even John Lambert, bless him, hauls his butt up from Bedfordshire for the day! We take our entire stock, except for plans and videos, so you can preview gear to your heart's content. This year, we have renowned modeller Helmut Latoschinski bringing his fabulous 1/400 Scharnhorst to the WEM stand. He will be on the stand to offer advice and tell of his experience in using WEM products... but only on the provision that he brings us some very strong dark german beer. Also the WEM team (except for Peter Hall) will be in military/naval uniform (we're trying to get Helmut to bring a Kriegsmarine uniform at the moment to scare off the shoplifters..) 2. The Fleet Air Arm Model Show at Yeovilton, Somerset, is another show that we do. This is not really worthwhile from a financial point if view (at least we cover our costs), but we get to meet a load of old friends and customers, and we usually pick up a few more on the day. The only drawback is you have to pay museum admission prices to get in. Cheers! Caroline Snyder White Ensign Models, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com for secure online ordering. For the latest news from WEM, Click Here: http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: shaya novak Subject: Panda USS Cole ----- Decals Ray in Canada. Thanks yes I'm aware of GMM350-1d BUTT!! His decals set is of the Hi-Viz nature the Navy switched several years ago to the Lo-Viz numerals which for the state-of-the-art builder would rather have what's on the ships now. Dear Loren, I would suggest you could make a Lo-Viz set too for more modern ships you could change the black shadow to a greyish. Then I could offer more of your great decal sets. The Captain Naval Base Hobbies www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "KLW" Subject: Re: Speaking American (Oriskany) Properly pronounced in America, it is o-RISK-a-knee. To be even more exact, for a Midwesterner (Chicago) like me, it is uh-RISK-a-knee. I noticed when I was in London on holiday this summer that you Brits always put the emphasis on the wrong syllable. Which leads to abominations such as a-LU-mi-num being pronounced AL-u-mi-ni-um. Or, you say things like DECK-ul, which we all know is DEE-kal. We have a Canadian as our IPMS Chapter president (just to show that there is no residual resentment from the colonial unpleasantness) and you even have him pronouncing decal that way. We have to translate as we go. But, at least the British don't append "EH" to every sentence. :-) Kevin Wenker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: raisingirl Subject: Re: Oriskany/USS Maddox hi all -- John Reid asked: >> The recent thread about nicknames for this carrier makes me wonder how to pronounce the name. Is it: OH-risk-a-knee (as might be inferred from "O-boat"), or o-RISK-a-knee or o-RISK-any (as might be inferred from "big risk"), or oris-CANNy or o-risk-a-KNEE << I've always heard it as variants of the first or last versions above. The name comes from a Revolutionary War battle near a town of the same name in New York in 1777. "JAG Collective, Inc." wrote, regarding a request for a model of USS Maddox (DD-731): >> JAG offers a 1/700 scale Sumner FRAM that comes with decals and PE brass. << Although this is true (and it is a fine kit), Maddox never underwent the FRAM modernization, and never received the DASH facilities. She finished her life in essentially a 1950s rig -- all her 5" mounts remained, her 40 m/m guns were replaced by 3" mounts, and her pole mast was replaced with a tripod, but she was essentially "stock" until she left the US Navy. She was one of a handful of Sumner-class ships that were not modernized under the FRAM program, for whatever reason. You'd want to start with a Sumner-class kit that gives you the ship in WWII rig (Albatross or Skywave in 1:700; any of the resin models in 1:350) and upgrade it accordingly. And for Maddox as she appeared during the Tonkin Gulf incident, don't forget the COMVAN. ;) That said, if you want to build a FRAMmed Sumner-class ship (i.e. South Carolina's very own USS Laffey), the JAG Collective kit is most certainly the way to go. Hey, buy the California-class CGN, build her as the South Carolina, and park her alongside the Laffey! ;) jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: NeilTaylor54 Subject: Re: The 1/600 shipyard >> http://thomasriepe.gmx.de the homwe of the 1/600 shipyard << What is, who is the 1/600 shipyard? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: HAZEGRAYADM Subject: Re: early ww2 essex long hull Robert Morris re: long hulls CV-14, -19. Thanks for answering my inquiry. I checked out an old Leeward Publ. (1977 / Ship's Data 7 / CV-10) to find frame 39. I believe the flight deck cutout you are referring to is the one over the single 40mm mount that shares the sponson with the two open, 5" guns immediately below the deck. I may not have been too explicit, but I meant the cutout further aft, between about frames 50 and 60. Check any 1944 aerial photos of CVs-14 & 19 which show the cutout in question, which was about three times the size of the one you mentioned. This was done to accommodate the gun directors on the hanger deck sponson / port side forward / on these two ships only. Bert McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: WRPRESSINC Subject: Re: Prince of Wales colours I looked at the colours on the model as per the interet reference, and one can easily see that the colours are wrong; by refering to photos and to the artwork in Camouflage Vol IV in the Warship Perspective series. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Allan and Crystal Plumb" Subject: Re: HMS Hood >> does anyone have any information other than that in Breyers Battleships and Battlecruisers on the proposed conversion for HMS Hood? << British Battleships of WWII (Raven & Roberts) has quite a bit on different options. That described in Breyer is only one of several. Is there something particular you wanted to know about (so I don't have to type a lot :-) or everything? My guess would be KGV-type superstructure and secondary armament, as far as the visible stuff goes. Sadly, the dock space and time just weren't there. Allan Plumb (who keeps mulling smashing a Hood and KGV together someday, right after cutting down Repulse as HMS Glorious) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: von bek Subject: 1/350 kit list Hi Chuck, Try Dave and Rajendra'a ship list - this is THE list for just about any ship kit you can think of. Whilst there are some garage manufacturers out there that don't make the list - it is pretty comprehensive and is a good place to start. http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html Carpo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: S-100 wheelhouse >> (1) how anyone could conveniently get to the wheelhouse from the deck or open bridge? << If you look at the kit parts 4 & 5 you'll notice two doors moulded in at the outside facing side. The forward one leads to the wheelhouse, the aft one to the bridge. BTW: it is here that I found an error in the engineering of the kit: both doors are only moulded on the outside, not on the inside, they are just blank faces. It's not a problem for the wheelhouse, they're not visible anyway, but for the bridge they are very visible. I cut them out and intend to replace them with a piece of plasticard. >> (2) how the commander guided the nearly blind folks in the wheelhouse other than shouting though some kind of "port"? << Indeed. The commander gives his instructions to the helmsman and the short-range radio operator in the 'Kalotten brucke' via a couple of ports on the bridge. You can see these clearly on pg. 42 of the squadron 'schnellboot in action' book. The hatches are placed right next to the torpedo director. I suppose they are represented by the raised detail on top of part 6, right next to the oval indentation. BTW; the hatch forward of the wheelhouse leads to the long-range radio room (port side) and the commanders cabin. The hatchway just aft of the 2 cm bow gun leads to the senior ratings quarters. good luck with your kit Wienne (who intends to work on his S-boot some day...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: WEM 1/400 Kriegsmarine Anti-Aircraft weapons Hi Bill, Keith Gabriel is right. We do not have any plans at this time to upscale the KM Weapons fret. However, when Peter Hall has completed the move to the house he's having built (already 5 months behind schedule), and can have his workspace back (all tools and references, together with most of the house, have been boxed and crated since the end of May), he will re-commence WEM PE 3529, the 1/350 Bismarck/Tirpitz set. And yes, anyone can pre-order it. This will have a full array of KM AA weapons included. IF folks pester us enough after that time, we MIGHT consider a separate set ;^) Best Regards Caroline Snyder White Ensign Models http://WhiteEnsignModels.com for secure online ordering. For the latest news from WEM, Click Here: http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume