Subject: SMML VOL 2330 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:07:29 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Call the Roll!! 2: Re: Thunder afloat & Submarine command 3: Re: Tamiya USS Indianapolis 4: Esso Montpelier 5: Re: saving private ryan 6: HM Submarine B2 7: prewar USN wood decks 8: Re: Victory at Sea DVD 9: Re: Plans for frigate HMCS Halifax 10: skytrex bangor class minesweeper 11: Latest "In Action" Title -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USS Virginia 2: CW and WR Press books at Snyder and Short ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane & Lorna Subject: Call the Roll!! Hi all, We thought we'd bring you all uptodate with the SMML subscriber numbers - at the moment we have over 1500 SMMLies onboard. Also we'd like to make sure that you have the right email address for sending posts to SMML: smml@smmlonline.com And since it's been a while since we had a roll-call, we thought now's as good as time as any to get everyone re-introduced ;-) To start the ball rolling here goes: Shane & Lorna Jenkins SMML Listowners, living on the Central Coast of NSW, Australia We also run SANDLE Hobbies (Shane AND Lorna Enterprises) and in our spare time look after both the magazine and website of our local model club APMA. Shane is actively involved with the volunteer first aid organisation St John Ambulance Australia (as SMMLies who were at FOTS 2001 will attest), where he holds the rank of Sergeant and is really dreading the upcoming fire season ;-(. On the bench: HMAS Vampire & HMS Brilliant (Shane), off-topic 747 (Lorna) Shane & Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Lawman555 Subject: Re: Thunder afloat & Submarine command Marvin Reichman wrote that Turner Classic movies may have these in their vault. Yes, they may have them; but no one has been able to tell me that for sure. They don't know. Doing a search I found both movies listed; but not released. The local library and video store also found them listed but NO mention of copies ever being made or released. UGH. How disappointing. I am still searching for whoever said they saw it on TV. It was not stateside; but I believe from Australia. I remember he said something about the area it was played or viewed in being a problem. Thanks Jim Myers USS SC1012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Tamiya USS Indianapolis Hi Keith, >> One question for our knowledgable SMML's. How much did the pre-war wooden deck stain (red-brown) affect the war time Deck Blue that was used to overlay it. The Tamiya instructions indicate that I should used a mixture of 1 part Hull Red (XF-9) to 2 parts Field Blue (XF-50) on the wooden foredeck so presumably the red was darkening the blue? << First, the prewar mahogany deck stain was used ONLY on carrier flight decks, nowhere else. I suspect Tamiya is trying to introduce red to produce the purple-blue Deck Blue 20-B. On INDIANAPOLIS, the Deck Blue paint went straight over the raw teak. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http://WhiteEnsignModels.com for secure online ordering. For the latest news from WEM, Click Here: http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Michael McMurtrey Subject: Esso Montpelier Does anyone know if a kit or even plans of this ship exist? My father-in-law served on her during WW II as a naval gunner. Michael McMurtrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: john redman Subject: Re: saving private ryan >> Though i dont think P-51 were ever called tank busters by ground pounders the funny thing if i remember the movie correctly is that it was loaded up with fuel tanks , so where was the bomb? lol << Funnier still was the uncanny accuracy of the P-51's level bombing. Ground-attack aircraft in movies always seem to strafe while in level or near-level flight, and yet still hit the target. I saw some gun camera footage once of a Typhoon plinking armour in Normandy with underwing rockets. From the angle, it was clear that the pilot first stood the plane on its nose and then fired the whole lot off in one ripple as soon as he had the mark roughly in his sights. He stayed in the dive long enough to catch the eight huge, overlapping blast waves, and then pulled out. AFAIK the only pilots who would routinely fire at such shallow angles would have been ASW aircraft surprise-attacking diving, engaging surfaced submarines. Speaking of improbable P-51s, anyone remember that scene in "Empire of the Sun" where a P-51 strafes the prison camp - in level flight naturally - while the teenage boy jumps up and down and whoops at the sight of a "......P-51 Mustang - the Cadillac of the sky!!!" Now how would a kid who'd spent 4 years in a Japanese internment camp know what a P-51 was called, formally or otherwise? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Kerry L. Jang" Subject: HM Submarine B2 Hi all, I recently found a picture of the sailing ship HMS Victory in her 1905 appearance (fully round bows and black and white colour scheme) moored alongside **HM submarine B2 **. What an interesting idea for a diorama!!!! Old and new, above and underwater, wood and metal, steam and sail and lots of colour all in one scene (the photos shows Victory flying Nelson's famous signal in celebration of the 100th anniversary of Trafalgar) against a grey sub. I'd like to replicate this scene and wanted to know if anyone knew of or have any drawings of HM Submarine B2 suitable for me to scratcbuild a waterline version of this sub? Thanks for any help! Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Randy Short Subject: prewar USN wood decks Only the Carriers used the mahogany deck stain, not BBs and Cruisers. Randy Short @ Snyder and Short: www.shipcamouflage.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Stephen Varhegyi" Subject: Re: Victory at Sea DVD Re Doug Simkin Comments Doug wrote: >> ....For God's sakes man, to say Richard Rogers' classic score "sucks" shows astounding ignorance. Sure, taste in music is personal, but the term "suck" should be reserved for vacuums and rap... << OK point taken. I agree on the rap comment. I am a musician and a music lover of everything from Mozart, Strauss and Liszt to BB King, Miles Davis, Steely Dan, the Dixie Chicks and AC/DC. Even Rogers and Hammerstein. Seriously what I meant was that show tunes have their place. Totally out of place in a serious war documentary. The theme is repeated over and over and over and over and over, with each episode and it soon gets iritating. I had to turn the sound off. I don't know if you've seen that hardware commercial where the guy is stuck in an elevator for hours with the muzak playing the same thing over and over. I think it's "A Walk in the Black Forest " (which I quite like by the way). But when he gets out of the elevator you next see him in the hardware store buying a hammer. Next scene you see him in the elevator again, smashing the crap out of the speaker. Well my predicament with the Victory at Sea musical score is the same. No offence to Richard Rogers but that music belongs somewhere else and in smaller doses. What I really meant to say is, it's a bit like putting the Merry Widow sound track to something like Memphis Belle. Now I love Franz Lehar but he and the Belle just don't belong. Get my point. Thanks for your comments, it's great we can have these open and frank discussions. Only joking. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Plans for frigate HMCS Halifax David, I have plans. and photos. What scale do you want? Send me an email: hawkone@sympatico.ca Darren Scannell Bowmanville, ON ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: chrisquirk Subject: skytrex bangor class minesweeper Just had delivery of Skytrex 1/350 Bangor class minesweeper, looks very nice, however does anyone have any plans,on the model the brigde structure is asymetrical, the starboard side being parallel with the hull but the port is not, is this correct?, I did have the Military Modelling issue featuring the Bangors but have of course mislaid it at the crucial moment. Incidentally the service from Skytrex deleviry is excellent under a week from ordering till arrival. Best regards Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Leonard, Michael W" Subject: Latest "In Action" Title Squadron/Signal Publications Warships #19: US Flush Deck Destroyers in action. Written by Al Adcock, color art by Don Greer. Line drawings by Darren Glenn and Dave Gebhardt. 50 pages, soft cover. ISBN 0-89747-460-0. Front cover color artwork features USS Ward firing on Japanese midget submarine on 7 DEC 1941. Rear cover art shows HMS Campbeltown on 28 MAR 1942, disguised as a German torpedo boat and painted Mountbatten Pink, and USS Bernadou (DD-153) in Measure 31/3D in 1944. Color profiles are provided for USS Stockton (DD-73) in 1918 splinter camouflage of light grey, medium grey, light blue, and dark blue (NOTE: these World War One colors are basically speculative, but consistent with surviving models in the Washington Navy Yard Museum). USS Upshur (DD-144) in Coast Guard service, early 1930s. USS Noa (DD-343) with floatplane in 1937. USS Stewart (DD-224) in Japanese service c.1944. USS Hulbert (DD-342) as seaplane tender AVP-19 in 1939. USS McKean (DD-90) as fast attack transport APD-5 in Measure 31/15T (Ocean Green and Navy Green) in 1943. 108 B&W photographs; many are familiar and available from Real War Photos and The Floating Drydock, but a number appear to be previously unpublished and obtained from the National Archives of Canada and "Elsilrac". Text sections describe the Sampson class (DD-63 to DD-68), Caldwell class (DD-69 to DD-74), Wickes class (DD-75 to DD-185), and Clemson class (DD-186 to DD-347), as well as Lend-Lease ships and conversions. The line drawings of weapons are very good and also summarize the differences between standard destroyers and tenders and transports. Except for the dubious Squadron practice of trying to "approximate" WW2 camouflage colors to modern FS series, this is an inexpensive and highly worthwhile book for fans of these early destroyers. MWL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: shaya novak Subject: USS Virginia Dear SMMLer's I just put a picture of Peter Van Buren's Jag 1/700 USS Virginia up on our website. Mega dittos to your Peter. He put the sailors "Manning the Rails" he is the best I never saw such detail put in to 1/700 PE people like his and there must be over a 100 of them. Kudos to JAG & Steelnavy.com for his building projects. http://www.totalnavy.com/700virginia.htm The Captain Naval Base Hobbies www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Randy Short Subject: CW and WR Press books at Snyder and Short Snyder and Short has the new CW Hood and Bismark books for $14 each. You can elect book rate shipping for $2 for 1 or 2 books, 3-4 books would be $3. 1rst class is our normal shipping listed on our order form on the website. We have all the Classic Warship and WR Press books that are in print. We have a couple of out-of print CW titles. See the order form. www.shipcamouflage.com Randy Short ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume