Subject: SMML VOL 2237 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:15:54 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Roll Call 2: Re: Belknap 3: USS Oklahoma 4: Re: Royal Sovereign 5: Re: Roll call 6: roll call 7: USS Belknap collision in the Med 8: Roll Call 9: Re: USS Belknap collision in the Med 10: Roll Call 11: Re: Roll Call 12: Re: HMAS Canberra Questions 13: Re: Roll Call 14: Roll Call 15: Re: Roll call 16: Roll Call 17: H.M.A.S. CANBERRA CAMO 18: USS Hornet CV 12 question 19: Re: Roll Call 20: roll call 21: HMAS Canberra 22: Re: Roll call ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: SMML Site update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "philip martens" Subject: Roll Call Hi Folks; As a semi-retired Canadian college professor at 56, married with two daughters who are finishing university at Guelph and Toronto, a step-son working at Cessna in Wichita with his wife and our two grandchildren and since my life changing move from Ontario to Franklin, Tennessee, is it no wonder that I'm returning to this great hobby after a twenty odd year absence. In my youth, aircraft were my main projects. But early adulthood and small apartments were more suited to 1/700 ships. Those ships and un-built kits have made many "voyages", but have always been a reminder of the hours of accomplishment and relaxing fun. Now I hope to set up a new "ship-yard" and catch up on photo-etch, spray painting, and so on. Thanks to an SMML newsletter John Collins and I met Imagine, the displaced Bavarian and the "I married an American girl" Canuck now find themselves living only two miles apart in Tennessee. John is being a great, patient tutor in getting me started again. He has even taken me to a couple of shows/competitions where I have met several of you and admired your beautiful renditions. Some day, I hope that my own Hood, Atlanta, Takao or Bismarck will be sea worthy enough to "sail" beside yours. That's all for now; save, "Yes, John. I'm picking you up at 8:30 for another round of golf". Phil Martens ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Steven P. Allen Subject: Re: Belknap >> I have recently read in one of the local newspapers that the USS Belknap (CG26) was involved in a collision with the USS Forrestal (CVA59) during one of her Mediterranean Cruises but am not really sure that this report is correct. Was the collision really with the Forrestal? I once read that her entire aluminium (aluminum?) superstructure was gutted (subsequently rebuilt) by fire which ensued following a collision with an aircraft carrier but cannot remember the details: when, how, where and which aircraft carrier was involved in the collision. Where was she eventually repaired. Can someone out there help with the details? << Belknap collided with the USS John F. Kennedy, not Forrestal (perhaps the writer was confusing the incident with the big fire on Forrestal). Belknap's superstructure was gutted; I do not remember off-hand where whe was repaired. There was an article in Sea Classics (with good pics) many years ago that once could be gotten from the publishers in photocopy form. If you cannot get it anymore from them, let me know, and we can work out a way for me to copy my copy. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Michael McMurtrey Subject: USS Oklahoma I'm looking for a Classic Warships 1/700 USS Oklahoma kit. Anybody know where I can find one? Two of my mother's cousins (F1c Lawrence Eldon Woods and MM1c Winfred Oral Woods) served on her and died with her on 7 December 1941, and I'd like to build it as a memorial to them. Michael McMurtrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Royal Sovereign >> Currently sitting here looking at the Kombrig Royal Sovereign and trying to decide whether to take off the upper deck 6" casemates and put in open mounts so I can paint her in the Victorian black - white - primrose scheme or just say the heck with it and paint her dark gray. << Don't take the upper deck 6" casemates out if you want to do a "victorian" scheme. Just after I took them out and started redoing the deck planking / scratchbuilding the open mounts (which is NOT easy) I found this picture of Resolution on the internet........ http://www.warship.get.net.pl/WBrytania/Battleships/1892_Royal_Sovereign_class/Resolution_04.jpg I suggest you try this first and after that decide whether it is worth to order another kit (I think it is BTW). Overspraying a victorian scheme with grey to get a later version like Redoutable is far easier than the other way round. Cheers, Pieter Cornelissen Who doesn't own cats (used to have a pet rat, does that count?) but does have a very understanding girlfriend. Even after hearing the sounds that accompanied the discovery of the picture mentioned above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "andy-vu" Subject: Re: Roll call Hello there: This is Andy Vu, an architect/builder in Houston, TX, married with 1 kid, with interests in African art and WW2 battleships. On the work bench: Heller Richelieu and Heller Amerigo Vespuci Next in line: BB Texas? I thank all of you for sharing with me your magnificent models! Cheers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Phil Collins" Subject: roll call Hi My name is Phil, and I'm a 34 year old living in Grays, Essex (Just along from Tilbury docks on the working part of the Thames). I work in the stockroom of a local department store. on the bench at the moment; 1:600 airfix Mauritania 1:72 Italia Hellcat (in FAA markings) 1:72 Revell Fairey Fulmer. Other interest; history women reading women music films. See ya Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: Re: USS Belknap collision in the Med Hi Noel The Belknap collided with the Kennedy, CV-67, not the Forrestal, CV-59. A friend of mine was on board and said he dived out of Sonar Control just before the deck melted out from under him... The port overhang of the Kennedy wiped out most everything above the main deck & the fires took care of what was left. Heard that a loss of steering control was responsible... Bob Bartolacci Saline, Michigan Member USNI, and US Navy League. Build aircraft, ships, armor. Currently building a 1/32 F-105, a brace of P-47's, and looking at a variety of ships in 1/350 on the bench, including the Hornet, Essex, Franklin, and Alaska... Anyone out there have any info on the Alaska and the Guam? www.bobscorner.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Dan Owsen Subject: Roll Call My name is Dan Owsen from the Seattle area. I mainly build 1:48 WW2 aircraft but also some 1:35 WW2 armor. I have a few ships in my "to do" pile: Revell Calypso Russian Aurora and Potemkin Paper Hohenzollern (Kaiser's Yacht) and SMS Emden (with PE kits) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Re: USS Belknap collision in the Med Hi, I believe the Carrier was the John F Kennedy, and yes the superstructure was destroyed by fire. Where it was repaired I don't know. Ken LeClair Victoria, BC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Alan McGivern" Subject: Roll Call Hello everyone, My name is Alan McGivern, 56 years old, living in Grafton, Wisconsin with my wife of 37 years. I've two adult children living in different parts of the U.S.. So now it's just myself, my wife and our cat. "Yet another ship-builders cat!" I am a designer and graphic artist for a small family owned display company. The great thing is that I have access to a complete metal shop, wood shop, vacuum forming machine and lots and lots of scrap styrene, ABS and acrylic. I also get cut offs and scraps of a plastic composit material called Ren Board. It is the greatest material for model building. Very forgiving and easy to work with. But too expensive to buy outright. I've been building ships since I was 14 years old. Started scratch building 1/1200 scale but quickly changed to 1/200. Worked on 1/48 aircraft for awhile but came back to warships. I prefer those before all of the radar and anti-aircraft clutter, but anything from 1920 to 1945 is fair game. I've currently got 14 completed. I am presently working on a scratch built 1/200 USS Chicago, CA-29 as in 1938, and the ISW round bridge Fletcher. When I get a digital camera that works I will post images. Thanks, Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: JFR1945 Subject: Re: Roll Call My name is John Reeder and I live in Great Falls, Virginia. I'm 58 and work part-time doing taxes and financial consulting. I was a defense consultant for 25 years and spent four year in the navy, including cruises on the WILLIS A. LEE (DL-4), LONG BEACH (CGN-9), and BEATTY (DD-756). My primary interest is 1:500 scale US and German ID ship models, which I collect, repair and research. Like any repair yard, my workbench tends to have many jobs underway, but right now the focus is on major overhauls of a Comet GRIDLEY (DD-380) and South Salem Studios OREGON CITY (CA-122). I am also stocking the closet with Konishi 1:500 kits when I have a few spare dollars.... John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Chris Burton" Subject: Re: HMAS Canberra Questions >> Did anyone ever get back to you on your question about the two-colors schemes worn by the Canberra in early to mid 1942? I looked at the AWM site and couldn't find any of the photos in the book on the Canberra or any others showing her in camo patterns. << Art, Thanks for checking on this - my questions were rather obscure. I also had a look at the AWM site: they do have some photographs of Canberra around May 1942 but which are not reproduced on the website. Therein may lie the answer. I may just contact the AWM to confirm whether the negatives show the two-tone pattern. The ship obviously did not carry them much longer than May given that, as you say, she was in a monotone by July 22nd and was sunk in that scheme, whether Chicago Blue or some other colour. Chris Burton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: airartcsb Subject: Re: Roll Call My Name is Chad S Bailey I'm a Naval and aviation artist you can see my work at www.airartcsbailey.com I illustraite books for Time Life and Barnes and Noble. I mostly build resin ships and Iam working on 1/350 USS Houston 90% done 1/350 USS Arizona 1936 35% done 1/350 USS Salt Lake City 15% done I recently earned 1st place in the IPMS regional for a USS Arizona 1941 heavily scratch built :) In Ogden Utah. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: bjorn.dahlberg Subject: Roll Call Björn Dahlberg 30, living in Vaxholm, Sweden. I work as aTraining Officer for a swedish high tech company. Never managed to complete a single ship, but working on at least 5... maybe 6. The range is spanning from the 1934 Endevaour (J-class yacht ) to the Tico class CG. Have quite recently moved so I've started to build an own hobby room and I've almost finished my own paint booth. In my spare time (between family, work and shipbuilding) a do work as a volunteer co-coxswain at the local SSRS lifeboat (the swedish equivalent to RNLI) and also work as an engineer on the old MTB T46. Cheers! Björn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: Roll call Hello, My name is Michiel Woort, I living in Hoorn, this is an old VOC town just above Amsterdam, in the Netherlands. I am working as a Technical Manager at the Dutch Yacht Federation, besides modelling sailing is also a hobby. I also run MW models in the Netherlands, besides import we try to bring out some dutch navy ships. On this moment I am realy busy to get the HrMs Karel Doorman 1954 ready for our IPMS Nationals on the first of November. Just finished the brass parts and must pick-up the Firefly's, Sea Fury's and S 55 this afternoon. Also working on a HrMS Friesland (b-jager) and the cruiser HrMS De Ruyter 1960 in the 350 scale with people from the IPMS ships group. On this moment, together with my wife Petra, try to get al traders at our IPMS Nationals a good place. Will come back soon with that. On the workbench the Artitec/MSF HrMs Karel Doorman (350) M-fregat, The HrMs Karel Doorman 1954 (400), the Shell Welder (Frog) and some 600 scale boats. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Roll Call I'm a 50s web developer, running a struggling one-man company building websites - lurching from feast to famine as most one-man companies do. I live in Windsor, on Sydney's north-western outskirts. I am building a 1/72 scale HMS Ambuscade (1993), one of the type 21 frigates that served in the Falklands. (You can see the progress on the model at my hobby site http://modelwarship.com.) For me, the journey towards the finished model is what I'm doing it for, and to tell the truth I may never complete the model. I just love sitting in my purpose built model workshop (well actually a corner of my woodwork shop) and working on a small part of the model for an hour or so when I can get time. (one-man businesses that run 24 hours a day don't get many of those hours). I am treating the huge project as a series of small models, and so far it's been a long time. At least since 1992 when I started thinking about a type 21. I'm a member of Task Force 72 but don't go to many of the events any longer because I'm sick of being mocked and insulted because of the time it's taking to get my model finished. But I don't care how long it takes to build my model .. it's the building process that's relaxing and enjoyable for me. When it's finally finished I'll look at it and shrug and not be interested any more. That's how it is with the other models I've built over the years. I'm a bit late with the roll call because I get a vast volume of email every day (more than 800 messages a day) so I usually get to read SMML every two or three weeks in batches. My apologies if I'm too late to be relevant here. Apart from my modeling and my business, I run a bluegrass radio show called Music from Foggy Hollow that plays for 3 hours every day on the internet on http://bluegrasscountry.org Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Webmaster, Model Warship 72 www.modelwarship.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Brett Morrow" Subject: H.M.A.S. CANBERRA CAMO Try contacting the Naval Historical Society of Australia,they have a web site,alternately try posting your question on one of the forums to WR,he may be able to answer your query. Brett Morrow. BTW, Warship perpectives No. 2 has a nice shot of H.M.A.S. Australia in two tone camo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: USS Hornet CV 12 question With three ships of the Essex class in store from Trumpeter, I am wondering with kit is the best to build a 1944 USS Hornet. My first thought is the USS Yorktown kit but I am not sure. Michiel Woort ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: Roll Call Les Pickstock Loughborough UK Still tinkering with ships despite getting into American trains. I'm still working on CAMPBELTOWN. I'm hoping WEM will bring out a 1/72nd set for Revells PT boat to save me the trouble of all the detail work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Perry Tolliver" Subject: roll call Perry Tolliver, aged 31, corrections officer, Married for a little ovr a year. 5 children 3 cats. My main interest is WWII warships however I am also getting interested in old pre-dreads and older warships. Any scale suits me as long as I can see it. I also enjoy planes in 1/48 and armor in 1/35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "RUSS SMITH" Subject: HMAS Canberra Hi Art, The 8 barreled pom poms were never installed on the Canberra. Bob Ballard's Lost ships of Gaudalcanal shows four single pom poms on platforms beside funnel one extending out to the sides of the ship. Two each side. I know some books claim they were there but I have never seen any photographic evidence of them not, even in the pictures and drawings of the wreck. Also the book put out by the Naval Historical Society of Australia doesn't show them or mention them. My model which was made about 4 years ago from a WEM Sussex (See Photos on the Modelwarships.com) has eight 8"guns, four single 4"guns, 2 four barreled .50 guns abreast the foremast and two single 20mm one each on B & X turrets. there may have been four more 20mm perhaps in the bridge wings but lacking photographic proof of their alleged location and Mac Gregory couldn't tell me (I asked) I lefted them off. Also, I painted my model the color I use for 507B because at that time even Alan Ravan was stating that the Canberra was only possibly painted in Chicago Blue (Vol 2 Camo Series page 3.) I have a number of photo copies of pictures including one of the model at a museum in Australia that Mac Gregory sent me about four years ago that I used for references along with four or five other books I have. Mac Gregory was the Officer of the deck or something like that at the time of the attack on her and is I believe a member of this board still. If you are interested email me and I'll send a complete list of the books and references I used to make mine. Best Regards; Russ Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Reynaga, Tim@EDD" Subject: Re: Roll call Wow, what a great idea! I've been really enjoying reading the bios of other list members...lotsa talent here! I'm Tim Reynaga, 40 years old living in Sacramento, California with my lovely wife, two daughters, cat, and two dogs. I work for the State of California (Ahnold is now my boss) as an automated programs project manager. I've been building plastic models since I was five, with a brief hiatus for college (y'know, frat life, drinking, women, studies, drinking...) When I got back into it as a senior it was a real shock to my then girlfriend now wife; up to that point she had no idea about my latent passion for little nautical things. She thought it was weird that I worked in a 1/700 scale model of Noah's ark as part of a final exam in Mesopotamian Literature at Berkeley... but you all understand, right? My interests are primarily WW2 era ships in 1/700 and 1/350th scales. Currently in the works: far more than I'm ever actually going to finish. Likely to be completed: Revell 1/720 scale USS Massachusetts (piece of crap kit), Tamiya Shinano (a jewel), Hasegawa 1/450 Akagi. I also occasionally write model building magazine articles; my USCGC Taney piece just appeared in the October 2003 issue of Fine Scale Modeler. Did anyone see it? What do you think? Thanks Lorna and Shane for all your work in maintaining this list. It is a daily source of pleasure which gets me my model fix even when I don't have time for actual building. Great job! Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: SMML Site update Hi everybody! I've really been enjoying reading the roll call - it never ceases to amaze me just how diverse a group modellers - and for some reason *especially* ship modellers - are. While responses have been coming in we've also received some additions for the SMML site. Stephen Allen gives us an article on building the Revell 1/300 USCG Campbell while Bob Pearson has reviewed the Tamiya USS Bogue 1/700 and the Waveline R.N Freccia Class DD 1/700 Of course the latest SMML volumes have also been added to the archives: 2232 - 2237 Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume