Subject: SMML VOL 2342 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:10:44 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Roll Call Now That it Has slowed 2: Roll Call 3: Things to do in the Netherlands 4: Checking In... 5: Re: Battleship speeds 6: Rollcall 7: Roll Call 8: Roll Call 9: Roll call 10: Roll Call 11: HMS Victorious deck marking colours? 12: Colour Enquiry 13: Roll Call 14: Roll Call ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Dutch Nationals saturday 1st of November ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: aandmblevins Subject: Roll Call Now That it Has slowed Al Blevins, retired 10 years ago from 33 years in law enforcement. Build all kinds of ships from 18th Century warships to Gloucester fishing schooners and work boats. Have done kits but now pretty much scratchbuild, mainly in 1/192 scale. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Peter Douglass Subject: Roll Call Hello from Sunny Nova Scotia, Canada I am Peter Douglass of Dartmouth, N.S. and am 83 years old. As a Member of the Maritime Ship Modelers Guild, I have two R/C vessels from kit form, Corvette "Sackville" and Boston Harbour Tugboat. Also Radio Controlled, scratchedbuilt, plank on frame, America's famous ( 63") S. S. UNITED STATES, the "BIG U" and Canada's "LADY NELSON" (36" long) which served as a Hospital ship in WWII.. At present, and 3/4's finished, a 32" R/C, plank on frame model of the French freighter, the MONT-BLANC, which blew up in Halifax Harbour in 1917. Peter Douglass ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Things to do in the Netherlands Especially at Michiel Woort and Ken Goldman: So I am back from my vacation in the Netherlands and wanted to give you a quick feedback and thank you again for your advice. Den Helder is really a great place for people that are interested in maritime things. First of all, of course the Dutch Navy Museum. Very interesting, unfortunately going through some renovation, so there was no book shop attached. But the museum is great. Whoever was buidling those models, has a great hand for rigging. The sub and the minesweeper that are open for visit are very interesting as well. Then, having done that, there is the harbour itself. Unfortunately, this time of year I have been told, there is no tour of the harbour anymore, so I had to settle for binocolars and the zoom of my camera. There was two supply ship it seems (of at least one of them I should be able to read the hull number, I think it is A836, is that the Amsterdam?). Two modern frigates (or corvettes). I'd say (803 was one of the hullnumbers, if I remember correctly, the other was also 80x, potentiaially 802). I can look up the hull numbers if folks are interested. I also think I could make out a F813. Also several minesweepers and tugs, and an interesting coast guard vesel. Then there is the tugs or supply ships, that supply the Oil Platforms. Very impressive ships. I've taken a number of pictures. Also there was two big tugs in port (at least that's what I think they were): one of the names was Zeus, cant remember the other one of the top of my head. Also tons of fishermens boats. Across from the lighthouse ship (didn't have time to go on board, there was a white vessel, that looked a bit like a research vessel, hull number was Axxx, I think, I'll have to look it up. Anyone an idea what that could have been? As there was no harbour tour, we took the ferry to Texel. Worth the trip also. EcoMare is great if you want to take a peak at the living aspects of the sea (if you like these things, you have to go to Fort Kinderdijk, or something similar, next to Den Helder, where you can pet a shark). On Texel and also around the Ijselmeer there is plenty of nice little harbour towns, all worth the trip. Spend some time in the harbour pub :) We did a trip to Amsterdam as well, but the time in the Shipheerds Museum was limited. We got stuck in the Heinecken Museum (also a fun place) and my wife can only do so much ship stuff (I can't complain really, but my time at the museum was limited to roughly an hour). I agree, also very interesting. Great models of sail ships. Great pictures, books and maps. I found it a bit disappointing that there was no section about the modern navy. Would have loved to learn more about that part. And also there seemed to be no book on the navy (is there something one could get from the Navy? I'd be willing to trade for German brochures if anyone would be able to assist here, or cover the expenses). In any case, dinner at Sea Palace around the corner with a view of the city completed that day. Oh, and then, there seemed to have been some kind of exercise going on, while we were sitting at the beach. Army closed of part of the beach and flew two drones. Whenever it flew by there was some machine gun fire and what sounded like light guns. Also there seemed to have been some fire from the sea. Anyone aware of an exercise, or is that just the regular stuff? Anyway, having been to Den Helder, made me want to come back for the Navy Days. Is there already a date for that? I assume it makes sense to book a room early enough. If I make it, I'd be definetely interested in meeting some of the local model kit builders. This time, time was a bit limited. In any case, two great weeks, thanks again for your help, it was great advice. Oh, and if anyone is interested in some of the pictures, let me know. I can put together a list of ship names that I have identified. Cheers Werner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Checking In... Well, I also am amazed at how many of "us" have cats. We had 3, just had 1 put to sleep, so we are down to 2; plus 4 birds and 2 fish. None of the cats ever messed with my models or workbench (they are too smart for that); however, my No. 1 senior cat reserves the right to jump up on the stool next to me and watch as I work. I have been modeling (ships and air, some cars and armor) on an on-again-off-again basis for probably 50 years. First ship was a wooden Strombecker USS Hobby when I was about 11. Largest was Sterling's American Scout C3. Merchant Mariner's Documents (Deck) at 17, Maritime College, visiting Deck Cadet onboard every major Liner that hit NYC (60 to 62), consultant on some of Adm. Rickover's and SSPO pet projects. I am now pushing 60 (at the end of this year) and still building models. Domestic opposition is limited to my buying new ones and going to ModelFests when I have all those unbuilt or started kits, but who listens. Worked at The Boat in Groton, and have been involved with engineering design and documentation of USN warships/submarines (DDG, CG, SSBN, SSN, FFG, PF) and those of our allies, CIWS, Standard Missile, Torpedos for half of my career. I also teach Technical and Effective Writing at Lockheed Martin MS2. I enjoy WW2 as my modeling era, with special attention to the Regia Marina, MTB/PT/MGBs, Imperial Japanese major warships and submarines. Just finishing up a Trumpeter 1/350 PLAN Frigate, quite a deal for the price. Probably some 25 ship kits waiting to be done (plus 100 air and armor). Wife has talked me into joining her Italian-American cultural clubs, so I don't have the hobby hands-on time that I'd like; did give a talk on the Regia Marina/lack of radar/Marconi connection to one of them. Oh, in my spare time, I also collect and restore antique wooden radios of the 20s and 30s, and German and Italian radios of the 50s/early 60s. So many projects, so little time... Regards to all Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Battleship speeds >> Does anyone have a rough idea of battleship acceleration/deceleration? Say for example: How much time would it take a Bismarck or Iowa to go from 0-30 kn, from 10-20-30-20-10. Or come to a full stop after hitting 30. << I don't have figures at hand for accelleration, but one advantage of the twin rudders of the Iowas was a procedure nicknamed "closing the barn doors". This was tested once by the Wisconsin. At full speed, both rudders were turned fully inward, creating a kind of speed brake, which stopped the ship within her own length. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SeaWoodies Subject: Rollcall Ahoy from Florida. Currently working the Dumas Brooklyn tug and a catspaw dinghy, then its back to the 1/48th Fletcher DD656. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Gary Subject: Roll Call Gary Schurr here in Philadelphia, PA. Wife, two kids, no cats. A Curtiss SC-1 on the workbench and Tamiya's Indy on the ways. Just want to add how great this group is. Keep up the great work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: Roll Call A little late, but as always, I've been busy. Names Fritz Koopman, 31 years the wiser, No wife (still looking), No kids (at least that I know about). Alergec to cats, no dogs. Used to have an Iguana years ago, and luckily he never give a fig about models, unless it looked like a hot rock. Residing in Salem Massachusetts USA (a town thats going bonkers right about now with the halloween thingy). Currently employed as a Marine Engineer/Naval Architect. About 50 percent of my time outside of work is spent sailing/ yacht racing. A life-long sport that has shown me some of the most beautiful, incredible, or horrific things that I've ever seen. The remaining 50 percent of my time seems to be unevenly broken up between eating, sleeping, looking for that elusive wife type person, and dinking large stiff drinks to then take my mind off of that elusive wife type person. And oh yeah... model ship building here and there. I have built ships in just about every scale and medium, but seem to be currently preferring 1/350 scale. Currently working on An ISW New Mexico, and converting an ISW Detroit to the Marblehead. Its neat to see reports from the different types of people from around the world that are part of this list. Best regards Fritz K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Wilgossett Subject: Roll call William Gossett, VERY close to 60, Architect living near Atlanta, Georgia with my lovely wife Linda and 3 cats. Having grown up on the SE Florida coast and being a Sea Explorer, I developed an early appreciation for boats, ships and the sea. I started modeling in the early 1950s with those balsa and tissue airplanes (remember the finger cuts from using razor blades to cut out the parts and the glue that smelled SO good? Maybe that explains a lot of things........). Anyway, I then progressed to plastic planes and ships, then to trains in the 1970s, and finally back to the sea in the early 1990s. Also I am restoring a 50-year old John Deere tractor, and yes I am a fool for punishment. I enjoy the research almost as much as building the models and have amassed a fairly large library on ships, boats and modeling. I enjoy all types of craft, large and small, sail to modern, and the larger the scale for me, the better. Thanks to Shane and Lorna for this great site to allow us all to more easily communicate and I must say in passing that my hat is off to those of you who reside in non-English speaking countries for taking the time to learn to speak and write in "our" language, for you enrich us all. I for one would be at a loss to communicate with most of you in your language and your efforts are much appreciated. In fact, your written grammer is better than many of us born to the English language, myself included. Thanks, again. And thanks to all who have helped me in the past with information. Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "M.C. Linson (Mike)" Subject: Roll Call Michael C. Linson, 47 chronological, 37 or so physical (wonders of bicycling and running exercise- not being kept up this year). Disability retired. BA degree in Military History, minors in Computer Systems, Engineering Science, Geology, and Mathematics. Honorable discharge for U.S. Navy service (1976-1982). Never spent a day on "floating grey monsters." Active service was with land based P-3C Orion aircraft in electronic and computer maintenance. No family, no pets, no money... Model preferences vary with moods, but tend towards smaller scales of ships, armor, and aircraft. Built and unbuilt ships include 1/400 and smaller scale American and German WWII ships. Most efforts however, have gone into recreating 1/285th scale, 4,000 vehicle/miniatures, 'elite' WWII Armored divisions- for eventual museum display. Magnifiers and a microscope are an important part of the tool list. :-) The knowledge and experience level here is awe inspiring. My small contribution of information consists of WWII history and off topic areas in flintknapping (making stone arrowheads), home computer systems, bicycling, and general knowledge of someone who reads nonsports items. Thanks all, Mike Loveland, CO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: HMS Victorious deck marking colours? Hello again to all I'm building HMS Victorious in 1/400 scale, in her 1941 configuration, and wondered if anybody on list knew what colour the (very minimal) flight deck markings were during this time period. From references, markings appear to consist of a single interrupted centreline, a cross deck interrupted line aft forming the base of the centreline marking, and a series of lines running from the steam vent on the forward flight deck - presumably to allow pilots to judge the wind over deck angle. White or Yellow are prime candidates, but which? regards Steve (no cats, but the possums in the backyard would beat them up anyway) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "George Peat" Subject: Colour Enquiry Hi Guys, I am at present researching material for a WW1 US Navy four stacker destroyer USS Ward as she was in 1918. The only photographs I have of her are in Black & White. They show her in US Navy Dazzle paint scheme. I have checked out Naval Camouflage 1914/1945 and they give a selection of colours involved in this scheme. Can anyone give the combination of colours used, Thanks George Peat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: FandCFowler Subject: Roll Call My name is Frank Fowler, 51, married with no kids and two goldfish. Did have three cats, but lost all to old age or did the goldfish find a way? I am the County of Fresno's (Central California) Maintenance and Operations Engineer (Civil Engineer) responsible for about 3,600 miles of County highways and 500 plus bridges. Collect lots of models of all types and scales; however, my main interest is 1/700 scale ships. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Roll Call John Sutherland from Porirua, New Zealand. Work as an evaluation analyst for the Ministry of Defence. Worked for Defence since 1976. Had sea time on Canterbury (batch 3 Leander), Waikato (batch 2 Leander) and Monowai (survey ship - ex banana trader). The Monowai trip included escorting a Los Angeles class in and out of Auckland harbour through the protestors - exciting! Also helped crew a Lake class patrol craft escorting USS Truxton into Wellington harbour in Force 9 gale - even more exciting! Interests mostly WWII Allied and Axis, emphasis on British and Japanese. On the table - 1/700 Icarus and Ilex to complete (B-Resina Hero conversions), Glorious (HP kit waiting patiently for me to put WEM PE on it), plus 1/600 Glamorgan - old battered Airfix kit awaiting refit to 1986 configuration using WEM extras and PE. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Dutch Nationals saturday 1st of November Saterday the 1st of November the Dutch Nationals will be held in the NBC near Nieuwegein. The Sig Ships will have a table of there own for the show. A lot of merchandising and a competion, on perhaps the biggest plastic modelshow in the low countries. Find more about it at www.ipms.nl Hope to speak to one or more SSML that day, you can find me at the shop of MW Models with the new HrMs Karel Doorman (1954' kit for selling. Greetings, Michiel Woort ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume