Subject: SMML VOL 2345 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:54:24 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Sovereign of the Sea and Roll call 2: Re: Cunard Queens 3: Re: Roll Call 4: Re: Semi-off-topic: Need two obscure birth dates: J.W. Christie 5: Re: Semi-off-topic: Need two obscure birth dates: Goeffrey Nathaniel Pyke 6: Re: Cunard liners 7: Roll Call 8: Roll call 9: The Big Four 10: Trumpeter CV-13 - kit review 11: Re: Royal Sovereign 12: Re: Roll Call - Randy Ward 13: Re: Roll Call 14: Re: USCGC Northland 15: Thank you Bert and the new Pathe site 16: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: SMML site update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "JOHN P WILCH JR" Subject: Re: Sovereign of the Sea and Roll call I acquired a model of this beautiful ship last year and I need help in painting her. I've tried to find some pictures and information of her and I have failed to find them. So I'm turning to the only place where I've had success on other projects. I'm hoping one of my fellow modelers can help direct me to the proper site or location. Roll call: The other day I sent in my name to the roll call but I forgot to say where I'm from. I live in the beautiful state of Idaho USA in the town of Nampa (just 20 miles from the Capital city of Boise) and about a hour from some of the most beautiful mountains in the western US. As I said I'm in the process of building an HD Military Bike, D-8 Caterpillar, and the 1/350-scale USS Fletcher (thanks Dave and Steve, who sent me the instructions). John P. Wilch Jr. (TSgt, Ret) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: HGYL Subject: Re: Cunard Queens First Cunard Queen was "Berengaria", queen of Richard I of England (Richard the Lion Heart) and daughter of Snacho VI of Navarre. Previously, Cunard ships had been named after provinces of the Roman Empire. But one could perhaps argue that "Aquitania" was so named to honour of Eleanor of Aquitaine. Maybe that's stretching it a bit. For detailed information of colouring of Cunard ships consult Donald McNarry's article on his model of "Mauretania" in Model Shipwright no. 28. I quote: "The colouring of Cunard ships is perhaps more complicated than one might think. ....................... There are several reds about the ship; the funnels are the proper Cunard red which is as near orange as vermilion very well could be; ........." Regards to all, Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "TIMOTHY BROOKS" Subject: Re: Roll Call Yah, yah, very late, as usual (been out of town for a week, wading through my 300 emails and catching up on the various forums). Tim Brooks, presently in Vancouver, WA (the lesser Vancouver). Mid 50's, wife and cat (1 son working for Microsquish, not presently speaking to me). This week, working for TSA at Portland airport (no real job since the big layoffs in 2002). 30+ years in the Electrical Power Industry (Utility Operations for 23, then Sales). Ex Navy (29 years, regular and reserve). Chief Torpedomans Mate (Technical) (Surface Warfare). Served on Watts (DD 545); Marshall (DD 676); Wasp (CVS 18); Polaris Facility Atlantic; Weapons Station Concord on active duty: Orleck (DD886), Proteus, Dixie, Prairie, Berkeley, Gompers, Sperry, "Malcom X. Truesdale" and several others during my reserve time. Underway at this time: Billings Bluenose (I've decided I hate rigging), 1/96 Burke (RC), 1/32 Puffer "Northlight" (RC), 1/96 Mahlon S. Tisdale (FFG, short hull, RC), 1/48 Tug "Sampson" (RC), 1/32 Fishing Boat "Antje" (RC), 1/72 Matchbox Corvette (RC), several others started but not in progress, mostly modern USN missile ships (1/700), starting with DDG 1. Interests primarily aging down (I have so many un-started projects I couldn't live long enough to finish 10% of them) to 1/700 pre-dreads, WWI, modern USN and RC cargo and commercial ships. Thinking to dump all the sailing ship kits and all of the other scales of various warships I have collected over the years (400+). Ah, to actually be retired with nothing to do but build! Have lurked and enjoyed this forum for quite some time and wish to thank the active members for all the great information and good memories. Regarding Belknap, yep, it was the Kennedy (CV 67) on 11/22/1975. As to loss of steering control, well, that's their story and they're sticking to it! The flight deck overhang took off the entire superstructure above the O1 deck (including stack, mast and bridge). Fires pretty well finished off the rest of the ship. When she was rebuilt (in Philadelphia, according to CFOTW, 1990/1991), they removed all the remaining structure above the main deck and fabricated a new and unique one. The rebuild took 5 years! (average new construction time for this class was about 3 years). Belknap is a "one of a kind" since the rebuild, since they did not follow class specs in the reconstruction. Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: THEGAVEL Subject: Re: Semi-off-topic: Need two obscure birth dates: J.W. Christie Birth date and location for J. W. Christe are: Christie, John Walter  Britannica Student Encyclopedia (1865 - 1944), U.S. inventor, born in River Edge, N.J.; trained as a machinist and automobile racing driver; in 1904 built front-wheel-drive car; later revolutionized the driving mechanism of army tanks to make them faster and more maneuverable; retained by U.S. War Department for development of gun carriages and other automotive machinery. John Walter Christie, born in the house on May 6, 1865, achieved fame as an inventor. At sixteen years of age, he worked on pioneer submarines, developing turret tract and gun mounts for battleships. From 1904 to 1907, he built and raced cars against Louis Chevrolet, Henry Ford and Barney Oldfield. He beat Oldfield in a fifty-mile race and held the world speed record. He invented automotive front-wheel drive, many units of which were produced in 1913 and 1914 for fire trucks. He is best known as the "father of the modern tank," having developed the design in 1930 for high-speed tanks that moved optionally on wheels or track. He died at Falls Church, Virginia, on January 11, 1944. (full text worth reading at http://apollo.carroll.com/bchs/Pages/cchousehistory.html) If looking and not finding info try www.profusion.com , it's free and is really worth a try! John Gavel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: THEGAVEL Subject: Re: Semi-off-topic: Need two obscure birth dates: Goeffrey Nathaniel Pyke Goeffrey Nathaniel Pyke looks to be a tough nut to crack early history-wise: Found a complete radio play script on Goeffrey Nathaniel Pyke that might help if it's historically accurate: http://www.swalks.com/hab.html The autobiographical text, To Ruhleben--And Back, has been resuscitated as yet another "handsome volume" in the Collins Library series of McSweeney's Books. An eccentric intellectual, Pyke left Cambridge at the start of World War I and offered his services to London's Daily Chronicle as its correspondent in Berlin. Thus begins what series editor Paul Collins insists is "first and foremost a compelling tale . . . and, as Pyke intended, a ripping yarn," in which the author recounts his incarceration, and his eventual escape from Ruhleben, an internment camp for the British, which is considered something of a prototype for the more infamous camps of World War II. You could try: Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions, by John Mitchell (Citadel Press/Thames & Hudson, ISBN 0-8065-1031-5) Timpson's English Eccentrics, by John Timpson (Jarrold, ISBN 0-7117-0559-3 hardback, 0-7117-0683-2 paperback) Pyke, the Unknown Genius, by David Lampe (dated 1959) Good hunting! John Gavel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: Cunard liners Michael London wrote: >> And while on the subject of Cunard the membership might like to answer this trivia question. Which was the first Cunarder to be named for a Queen? << Offhand, I suspect Berengaria (ex-Imperator) David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SMAtouche Subject: Roll Call Hi all: My name is Paul Shay, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US. A wife who approves of this modeling thing, 3 long gone kids, no dogs at this time, no cats ever (allergic to the little critters) Retired three times. Two in national sales/marketing and the last as a consultant. Still hard to find the time to do all of the model building as will as the honeydo projects Started modeling aircraft in the late 30s with leftover scraps of balsa wood given to me by the older guys in the neighborhood, then Strombecker (sp) wood kits, some of you may remember the strange smell of the powdered glue when mixed with water. Spent some time in the flying Navy. Had a great time while on active duty and in the reserver. Have been building models most of my life, kits and scratchbuilt. Aircraft in plastic and wood. Including U-control and free flight. All scales. Cars, all types from stock to F1. All scales. Ships, mostly stick and strings in plastic and wood. That is until my daughter who was with the Doctor Ballard expedition when they located the USS Yorktown, lost during the Battle of Midway. It peaked my interest in steel ships of WW11. Started the Revell Yorktown, still working on it for the past two years as a gift to her. On well that goes along on the work bench with several cars. And the Model Shipways Bluenose schooner all in various state of completion and I also do the Railroad thing in HO and N scale. Plus some woodworking. Won't mention the number and type of kits in the closet yet to be built. Bravo Zulu to Shane and Lorna for their labor of love in maintaining this list and to all who contribute to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Roll call Hi Guys and Giggles, Better late than never I suppose. Chris Drage...56 years young (basically a middle-aged junenile delinquent). English born- grew up in New Zealand where I trained and worked as a primary teacher. Returned to Britain in 1978. Now regard myself as a Pom-wi. Married with two kids...16 and 20. Live in Shepherds Bush, London... near the heart of the BBC. Manage a Cisco Networking Academy based in a technology college. I also work in primary schools as an ICT adviser/support teacher. In my spare time I am an Educational ICT journalist writing for Times Educational Supplement among others. So what time is left for modelling? Not a lot..... sadly. Began modelling as a kid and rekindled the interest when son was just a tiddler and I wanted to introduce him to a hobby/interest. He got into ships and having all things nautical in the blood, it wasn't long until I caught the bug too. Finding an interest in WWII research and becoming increasingly aware that Britain seems to largely ignore the great debt owed to Royal/merchant navies in WW2, I decided to create dioramas which would depict a snapshot during an event in that conflict. Build mostly in 1:700 scale which, in terms of dioramas, offers a good compromise between detail and space. I have had modelling commissions from a number of folk, including one for a Heller 1:400 scale Hood. Just completed a dio based on the photos of HMS Sussex anchored in the Clyde following her repairs/rebuild and will be building a dio based on a photo taken during Operation Halberd of HMSs Edinburgh, Sheffied and Kenya at speed in line of bearing. I think that SMML is a fantastic source of help, advice, info and above all comradeship. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: The Big Four Hi Can any one explain this to me. As I understand it back in the 70's the big 4 of Japan -Aoshima ,Tamiya, Fujimi and Hasegawa designed the 1/700 scale waterline series and picked individual ships to make and not complete with each other. Some how Fujimi isn't getting along or fallen out of favor with the other 3. So what happened? Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: HAZEGRAYADM Subject: Trumpeter CV-13 - kit review Good news first: all the right parts for CV-13 (As well as CVs-11,-17,-18, & CV-16 in late 1945 refit also) for 1945. Also included is the catwalk betw the 40mm / starboard / under the island and the SK-2 radar. Camo info is accurate but only for 1944 when big Ben still had the same nav bridge as the CV-10. The box art shows meas. 21 / O. A. 5N (Navy blue) & is the way to go with this kit out of the box. Shown are 5 deck side aerials but use only the first two. Otherwise (In my humble opinion) as good a kit as I hoped for. B. McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Royal Sovereign Hi Pieter, I have found the photo and here (for what's it's worth) are my comments: it certainly is a RS class battleship with 6inch casamates installed and in black/white/buff paint scheme. It certainly isn't (as caption states) "Resolution ca.1901" since Resolution wasn't modified until 1903/04. The photo just under "Resolution ca. 1901" alleges that it shows "Resolution in 1908" while, on closer inspection, it is clear (at least to me) that 6incher in the photo are shielded and not casamated. On the other hand in Burt's "British battleships 1889-1904" there is a photo captioned "Resolution, after reconstruction, 1903....." showing her in overall gray scheme. There is also a photo of "Revenge May 1903-May 1904....." in overall grey too and even a photo of "Ramillies in 1903..." (BEFORE reconstruction) also wearing a grey scheme. So, at least for now, my opinion would be that while one of the early modified battleships of this class (Royal Oak???) could emerge from the refit in black/white/buff scheme it would not carry it for long and would be very unlikely to carry it while on station. Best wishes Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: Roll Call - Randy Ward >> Randy Ward, Where do you live in Southern New Hampshire? << Hi, Art! I'm in Nashua, about a mile from the Boston Center FAA building (off Exit 4, on the hill). 'Also saw a Pelham entry in here somewhere... Start a NH ship modelers club, anyone? 8-) Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Darius Lipinski" Subject: Re: Roll Call Am I the last one reporting in...??? I live in Toronto, Ontario. Canada of course. And since I started my Paper-Lab little enterprise a few years back, I think in 2001, I haven't managed to build any plastic or resin kits at all. Any spare time I have left has been devoted to designing and scratch building my own. I'm working with digital as well as card models these days. But I'd love to try my hand at doing some photo-etching and possibly resin kits and accessories in the near future. You can check some of my projects on Paper Lab website. Happy modeling Darek Lipinski www.paperlab.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: billkaja Subject: Re: USCGC Northland From: John Collier >> and collecting info on the USCG Northland,which I hope to scratchbuild at some point. << John, The Coast Guard Museum Northwest in Seattle is a great resource for info about famous old USCG ships. I know they have info on the Northland. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Stephen Allen" Subject: Thank you Bert and the new Pathe site Bert Thanks for responding so promptly with the steer on Victorious' flight deck markings. On a not entirely unrelated subject I had the opportunity today to do some searching at the new British Pathe website at: http://www.britishpathe.com/index.cfm and it is pleasing what you can pull out with appropriate search terms. There was both wartime and post-rebuild footage of HMS Victorious (some of the post-1958 footage in colour), lots of references to other aircraft carriers (e.g. USS Saratoga, CV-2, going through the Panama Canal, a 1960s newsreel featuring a visit aboard the later USS Saratoga, building, commissioning and later footage of CVAN-65 Enterprise, USS Franklin in WWII etc etc) and plenty of other warship footage. I pulled this out just using some ship names as search terms and then the generic 'aircraft carrier'. The site works on the basis that low quality sample footage previews and still previews (seelcted from the movie frames) are free, and higher quality images can be downloaded for a fee. The site can be slow at present, because of the sheer number of visitors, and you may have to refresh image windows several times to get new images to appear - there appear to be some bugs with the site at present. On the whole, though, well worth a look and yet another, and welcome, addition to the online resources available for research. regards Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Michiel Woort" Subject: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands Hello Werner, Please contact me of list, I have the data for the navy days next year some where at home. Because we are there with our IPMS Sig Ships people. It is around the mid of July. Nice to hear that you enjoy your stay. Greetings, Michiel Woort ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: SMML site update Tonight's update has a peek at the Skytrex Factory courtesy of John Reid who went there for a visit, while Ian Wrenford gives us another one of his scratchbuilding efforts - this time it's a Liberty Ship. Bob Pearson assess the 1/700 Tamiya Yamato and Musashi against the older molds while David Muir has a review of RN Camouflage Vol 4. The archives have also been updated with vols 2240 - 2245 being added. Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume