Subject: SMML VOL 2347 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:55:21 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Royal Sovereigns: Pieter and Darius 2: Re: Sterling Missouri 3: To: George Hargrave 4: Re: Help Please HMS Lobelia 5: Re: Colo(u)r of RN ships 1914-18 6: Re: Roll call 7: Roll Call 8: Re: Thinning Colourcoats 9: Re: Richard Sidford/Roll Call 10: Beautiful Baby!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Pitroad/Skywave Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Royal Sovereigns: Pieter and Darius Pirie, sorry for the late entrance but I was offline for over a month and than needed to shift throu TONS of spam offering anything from extensions to "eat everything and still loose weight" diets..... Down to the bussiness at hand: the ship in the photo in question is quite difficult to recognise. The best clue would have been the pattern of portholes in the bow's area but they are hardly visible against the black painted hull. As it is, the height of the steam pipes points towards Ramillies or Royal Oak but the net shelf still in the old postion seems to be indicating Revenge before 1905 (when the shelf was shifted to the new position). But since Burt publishes photo of Revenge in overall gray and dates it May 1903-May 1904 the only brain scrambling solution seems to be that (as you have proposed) either an over-all grey ship was repainted black/white/buff for some purpose or that a ship, which kept old paint scheme much longer than it should, was painted grey for another purpose..... If you can think about a more complicated scenario, please let me know!!! :-) Overall I agree with your way of thinking: any of the Royal Sovereigns which were recommisioned into Reserve Division could have kept their black/white/buff for longer than ships on the active service but that they would have been repainted in new overall gray when taking part in the fleet manouvres. As to the shade of grey for 1902-1914 period -Burt describes it as "...all-over grey slightly darker than that used in German Navy..." (whatever than means!!!) but much lighter than grey adopted early in WWI. He also writes that lighter grey was used for Far East and Mediterranean. So what we are left with (IMO) are most probably mid-greys of the lighter variety..... And I would'n worry too much about the EXACT shade.....Since captains and officer still enjoyed considerable latitude in the choice of paint I doubt if there were any three ships sporting exactly the same shade of grey!!! Best wishes Darius p.s. why Combrig decided that RS's deck's blast panels should rise above the plank level I would never know...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Sterling Missouri Hi SMMLies, A word of thanks to all who posted on having the directions for the Steerling Missouri kit. My friend Jim at our hobby store is now happy and getting ready to jump in the fire on his first R/C model. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Joe Hinds Subject: To: George Hargrave George, Call the Airbrush manufacture or a very knowledgeable airbrush sales store and ask what to use in it's place. It sounds like you got a hold of some way-out-weird paint mix and the supposed 'Thinner' is not compatible. I bet you could use some common Mineral Spirits and do just as well. Experiment on a bit on scrape pieces. Of course, common hardware store mineral will only cost 1/3 rd less than the Model Special. THese model paint companies are a total rip off. This is why I hate so called model paints. I use my own mix of Acrylic, Guasche and watercolors to make my own paints. I spend about $30.00 bucks a on standard art store colors. FOR THE YEAR. I spray standard hardware store light gray primer and go from there. It never lets me down. I can tell you how to mix colors if your interested. If you need more help, email me at; joetheartguy.jbh@verizon.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Help Please HMS Lobelia >> I am looking for any information, photographs on HMS Lobelia K 05. Ordered 31st August 1939 (one of 30 of this untried new design) Built by A Hall and completed 16 July 1941. Any help or ideas would be much appreciated. << TO: John Lambert I don't have any pictures, but you also asked for information. Beyond what you had in your post, I have that her launch date was 15 February 1941. In 1941 she was transferred to France under the same name. In 1949 she entered mercantile service under the name THORGEIR. I admit that I am curious what kind of merchant ship a Flower would be. Hope this is of some help. Roland Mar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Colo(u)r of RN ships 1914-18 This is an interesting topic. At the start of the war dark gray (grey) was the standard for large ships while destroyers were black. It was found, however, that in the often misty conditions of the North Sea the British dark gray stood out while the German Light gray was less visible. By 1915 most ships, including destroyers, were being painted light grey. By the time HOOD was completed in 1920 the wartime colors had given way to the pre-war Home Fleet dark grey for all types. The exceptions were ships on foreign stations. Mediterranean - very light gray w/black boot topping; East Indies and China - white hull w/dark gray boot topping, light gray upperworks; China gunboats and surveying ships - white hulls with red boot topping, buff funnels, ochre yards and masts. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: Roll call Sandy Sanders 35, 3 kids, two labradors, two snakes, one future ex-wife, Navy Chief Fire Controlman. And my house almost burned down here in Smokey San Diego. I am currently building the Tamiya Musashi and Yamato. Thank you to Shane and Lorna for this list ;-)> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mark McKellar Subject: Roll Call I have just this moment finally caught up on about 6 months of SMML. It was quite interesting to read all the roll calls in the period of a week. Quite a eclectic group we have here. About me, I'm 44, married for half of that time, two kids and two cats (there it is again). I live in Haverhill, Massachusetts - about 30 miles north of Boston. I tend to model in fits and starts....nothing for 6 months or more then working on 3 or 4 things at once. I love the 1/350 scale but room is an issue. I have the Tamyia Enterprise and Banner Arizona on display over my desk along with a pair of Los Angeles class subs. Currently, I'm sticking to 1/700 for military ships - I'm currently working on two series of ships showing the development of the Battleship and the development of the American carriers. In fact, I'll be posting a question or two on those topics in the next week or so when I return from vacation. Great list - even if I can't always keep up with it. mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: johnsnyder Subject: Re: Thinning Colourcoats Hi George, Any time you add any thinner to any brand of paint, you alter the chemistry. Only thin/mix as much as you're going to use at one time, don't try to store thinned paint, and for heaven's sake don't return thinned paint to the tin/jar. The preferred thinner in North America is probably lacquer thinner, but we've had lots of similar reports of success using Model Master thinner. If you're getting good performance from MM, keep using it. Just don't try to store it after you thin it. That's always been my practice, whether using Floquil, Testors, Pactra, Humbrol, or Colourcoats. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: johnsnyder Subject: Re: Richard Sidford/Roll Call Hi Richard, There may not have been any Navy ships in Pioche lately, but there was at least one Navy vet and a ship model producer in town when Caroline and I passed through in July on our way to Ely. I seem to recall Bainbridge operating with Eversole about the time that you served aboard her--I'll have to check my photos. Cheers, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http://whiteensignmodels.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Beautiful Baby!!! Guys & Gals, Wow!! Shane & Lorna, what a beautiful baby you all birthed in SMML, and now Roll Call!! I have thus far printed up ten (10) listings of who responded. Can't print the rest of Roll Call because I ran out of ink!!! Have lots of questions to ask and I do not mind asking on SMML, but some may have reasons for not doing the same. Please, feel free to contact me one on one. And please, I respect a person who has the courage to tell me "No." USS Belknap Didn't the collision developed the Belknap Post (or is it Mast!?) on the forward starboard side of all carriers today? Vern Wilson Do you have info to RC a 1/72 Tamiya Vosper? 1/700 Kirvo A number of you SMMLies have the Kirvo. May I impose upon you for info on how you build, paint, etc., her? Ray Cockram I have a Repulse I started -- may I impose upon you for what you are doing to build her? Coworker returned from the Reagan. States of losing all his pictures. Couple of good pictures of the forward portion of the island. But what really has me for a lost is the "girder" thing on the stern. Jeff stated his brother-in-law said it was where the "boat came out of and were tied to when in port". Anyone have any idea what they are referring to!? I have seen pictures of some of the Nimitz class with a "cage" like thing on the stern where crew launches were tired to. Is this something that is carried inside the ship or permanently secured to the stern of the carrier? When was it added? Which Nimitz carriers have it? Anxiously awaiting one and all's response!! Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless all you SMMLies and your beloved families. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Sab1156@aol.com Subject: Pitroad/Skywave Models Does anybody has one of the following models for sale? USN Escort Carrier USS Bogue,RN Escort Carrier Tracker,USN light Carrier Independence,USS Light Carrier Belleau Wood. You can contact me at (870)-534-0169 or SAB 1169@AOL.com. 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