Subject: SMML VOL 2349 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:18:12 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Tamiya Vosper 2: Re: RN colors: Darius and Michael 3: Re: Eagle Farm 4: Dremel 4" Table Saw Belts 5: Re: USS Reagan "Girder Thing" 6: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales 7: Re: Article copy request [ WW I Sub Chaser ] 8: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 9: US Navy keen on WA return 10: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales 11: Navy fleet visit heart of US forces in the Pacific 12: Shades of battlecruiser gray 13: Queen Mary II 14: Re: southern NH 15: Queen Mary 2 16: RN Ship WWI Colours 17: Re: Queen Mary 2 18: Re: Beautiful Baby!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: Southern NH clubs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Vern Wilson" Subject: Re: Tamiya Vosper Hi Gus, Sorry I don't any info on R/C ing the Tamiya Vosper. I am not familiar with that kit at all. Vern Wilson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: RN colors: Darius and Michael Pirie, I hope that you weren't offended by the line: "...If you can think about a more complicated scenario, please let me know!!! :-)" used in my last post. All that it was ment to convey was the unavoidable confusion arising from attempts to logically explain an apparent out of sequence paint scheme using only a handfull of available photos (some with questionable dates attached) and very little else.... Best wishes Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Diodor Subject: Re: Eagle Farm For Craig Bennett, re the question about Eagle Farm near Brisbane, I suggest you try writing to Peter Dunn at pdunn@st.net.au and also check his very thorough and interesting website, www.ozatwar.com, chockful of stuff like you're searching. Ted Treadwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Joel Labow Subject: Dremel 4" Table Saw Belts >> I know a lot of modelers, myself included, modified their old Dremel tablesaws when Dremel discontinued them to accept different drive belt configurations << Exact replacement belts for the Dremel 4" table saw are now available from Micro Mark. Part #82871 lists for $9.95. Joel Labow ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: William Weckel Subject: Re: USS Reagan "Girder Thing" >> Coworker returned from the Reagan. States of losing all his pictures. Couple of good pictures of the forward portion of the island. But what really has me for a lost is the "girder" thing on the stern. Jeff stated his brother-in-law said it was where the "boat came out of and were tied to when in port". << Could this be a reference to the "sled" used as a counter-measure to wake homing torpedos? Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: JBla670364 Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales I just read "Baumbach, Werner" request for information on scratch building small models. I too am interested in scratch building small scales. I was looking through some old copies of Popular Mechanics' magazine and found server plans on building cabin crosiers, small sail boats and several runabouts. I can copy the plans but I have no idea how to scale the plans to the size that I would like to build. If anyone can put me onto some books on the subject or have some personnel experience I would love to hear from you. This is a great web sight and I really enjoy all the information that everyone is willing to share. Baumbach, Werner if you run into any information about scratch building please e-mail me and I will do the same for you. My e-mail is JBla670364@aol.com Good luck and keep your oars in the water John B ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Arthur Herrick" Subject: Re: Article copy request [ WW I Sub Chaser ] >> I'm hoping someone can supply a copy of a particular article on "Building a WW I Sub Chaser" that appeared in MODEL SHIPS & BOATS - Mar-Apr 1977. Volume II Number 2. I will gladly prepay copying and postage to obtain a copy, to include in my personal reading and reference collection only. << Phil, If you are looking for an article on the 110 ft WW I Sub Chasers, this is not the article you want!! This MS&B article, "Building a WW I Sub Chaser", by Gordon F. Powell, covers covers building of a r/c, approx.1:48 model of the WW I destroyer USS PRESTON DD 327. In the late 1960s, Gordon F. Powell (San Francisco Bay area) built a plank on frame model, based on E. Armatage McCann's series of articles in Popular Science magazine starting in December 1930, with full details and instructions for building, an approx. 1:96 model with a bread and butter hull. It is a two page article, with seven small, very poor quality pictures and minimum of text. Four pictures show the hull under costruction ... four pictures show the finished model ... one picture shows the model sailing on Spreckles Lake at Golden State Park. Phil ... you can contact me at artships@cheshire.net I am very interested in the 110 ft, WW I, Sub Chasers; if that is what you really want information on?? Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: YNHOBBY Subject: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP Hi, I hope I have the name of the ship right - GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP. My friend is building the Revell kit and asked, what color the deck should be? Regards, Victor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Kutina Subject: US Navy keen on WA return http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/01/1067597203540.html Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales I have been scratchbuilding in 1:1200 scale for over 25 years using a combination of plastic card and automobile body filler (polyester resin). These techniques are equally applicable to larger scales such as 1:700. Take a look at Ainsworth's WARSHIPS IN MINIATURE published by Conway in 2001 and available through Barnes & Noble on the Internet. This has plans in 1:1200 and 1:700 scales, the latter for smaller ships, as well as detailed instructions on the methods used. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Kutina Subject: Navy fleet visit heart of US forces in the Pacific http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-11/02/content_277636.htm Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SeaWoodies Subject: Shades of battlecruiser gray It occurs to me as a trained photographer that the many shade differences noted in the gray of old ships may well be due to printing discrepancies and different negative exposures of the original photographs. Modelers who are involved in this might do themselves a favour by studying the Zone System as it applies to black and white photography. I also concur with the theory of pigmentation bleaching from sunlight exposure. Probably more pronounced with ships in tropic latitudes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Mike Bartel Subject: Queen Mary II >> QM2 will be homeported at Southampton (Cunard Company) and will make her shakedown cruise to New York next April. On the return trip, she will sail in company with QE2: some great pictures to be shot by American and British SMMLies For modellers: at the scale of 1-700, this would make a big stick of resin, 49cm long! << Fortunately, I would expect that a plastic kit of this new and important ship will likely appear, though I can't vouch for the likelihood of it being in 1:700 scale. I'm betting on Revell of Germany as the producer of a plastic QM2 kit. Mike Bartel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: southern NH >> Steve here from Pelham NH. Wasn't there a model builders group that used to meet in the Nashua library? << Hi, Steve! Yes, there is a club at the NPL. In fact, it's the only IPMS chapter in NH (that I know of). Unfortunately, they're dominated by aircraft kit assemblers. I took several scratchbuilt boat models to show, and they let me know that it's an airplane club. They tolerate other things, but they do planes big-time. Planes get the press in their newsletter - about 85%, I'd say. The other IPMS chapter in the area is a "cars only" club. I looked into starting a chapter for ship modelers, and was told I'd have to get together several IPMS members on my own before I could petition to start a chapter. Sigh. Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Loren Pike" Subject: Queen Mary 2 Bruno Gire writes... >> With a 50,000t displacement... << Well, I am perplexed. I'm trying to put my finger on this, but I know that I just read somewhere that the ship was in the 150,000t displacement range. Any comments or am I just dreaming? Loren Pike Lisbon, IA USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: George Colleen Hargreaves Subject: RN Ship WWI Colours Hi Pirie, I don't know if you have looked in your grandfathers photo collection but the variation in finishing and the ageing effects makes me highly suspicious of any colours being decided by looking at old photos. Even the types of film in use during WW1 portrays colour differently. So from the Admiralty painting orders, there appears to be 3 directions for mixing grey colours: 1 Black/ 20 White = Grey 1 Black/ 23 White = Light Grey 1 Black/ 250 White = Very Light Grey Now did the paint arrive premixed or did Jack splash a little black into a bunch of white? Could there be colour variation? I will bet on the yes side. Your observations do match the Admiralty fleet orders. From "British Warships 1914-1919" by FJ Dittmar & JJ Colledge Ian Allan Ltd 1972 Colour of HM Ships: Chronological Notes 8. 9.14 Flotilla leader FAULKNOR has been painted grey 19.11.14 Hulls and weather work of all H M ships in home waters except torpedo craft to become light grey. Mixture to be 1 part black to 20 parts white by weight. 27.3.15 Destroyers of the 6th Flotilla experimentally patchy grey. 6.4.15 Destroyers to remain dead black but masts to become a very light grey. 6.4.15 A false bow wave to be painted on all ships. 7.5.15 False bow wave not to be painted on destroyers and torpedo boats. 1.6.15 No bow wave on any ships. 13.7.15 Paint flotilla leaders grey. destroyers remain black. 18.8.15 Armed trawlers to be painted In their original fishing colours with their commercial fishing numbers. 1916 The cruiser CARYSFORT temporarily painted blue. 15.4.16 Approval given to paint destroyers of the 2nd DF grey while with that command. 23.5.16 Commander-In-Chief Rosyth's proposal to paint his torpedo craft grey approved-to be done during the summer months. 7.7.16 All torpedo craft hitherto black to be painted grey. Hull 1 part black to 20 parts white (by weight), upper works to use mixture 1 part black to 23 parts white. 14.7.16 Boats of destroyers to be painted grey, 1 part black to 23 parts white. 1.8.16 H M ships and armed patrol yachts to be painted grey (formula 1 :20 black and white). Destroyers to remain dead black with masts very light grey. 4.8.16 Upper works of destroyers and leaders painted grey. 22.8.16 Suggested that submarines be painted black on horizontal parts, vertical parts grey. Colour depends upon decision of Senior Officer of each area. 19. 4.17 Topmasts of H M ships to paint 1 part black to 250 parts white (by weight) mixture by order of Commander-in-Chief, Grand Fleet. 10. 8.18 Dazzle camouflage painting ordered for merchant ships and armed merchant cruisers of the 10th CS. 8. 2.19 All light cruisers on East Indies and China stations to be painted white. 1. 3.19 Survey ships to be painted white. Notes: In spite of the confusion generated in painting orders concerning destroyers and torpedo boats, it can be concluded that order of 7.7.16 did become effective by 15.8.16 and from that date the pendant numbers were painted up. An order from 1914 specified that two ensigns were to be flown by H M ships in order that confusion resulting from distant similarities between the white ensign and the German ensign could be reduced. An order dated 19.11.14 put into effect a system of markings on the after two funnels to denote divisional status; this system was a repetition of earlier ones and did not remain in effect for long. The colour notes above all originated from Admiralty fleet orders of that date and were effective when received. Date format is DD.MM.YY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: keith.vokes Subject: Re: Queen Mary 2 Prompted by Bruno Gire's item on the QM2, I have often wondered why no injection plastic manufacturer (Tamiya hint hint!) has started a series of 1:700 scale 'Famous Ocean Liners' With the recent success of 'Titanic' I would have thought such a series would be a real winner. Living near Southampton I am looking forwards to seeing the QM2 near Christmas - such a pity she was not 'Made in Britain' Such an action 30 - 40 years ago would have been unthinkable but that was before recent governments sold our industry 'down the river' Regards, Keith Vokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Dirk Emmermacher" Subject: Re: Beautiful Baby!!! >> Vern Wilson Do you have info to RC a 1/72 Tamiya Vosper? << Hi. I'm not Vern, but I have a RC-controlled version of the Vosper too. What do you want to know about it. Best regards. Dirk Emmermacher IG Mikromodell http://www.mikromodell.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: billkaja Subject: Re: Southern NH clubs Steve, I'm replying ot the list, in the case there are others in the region that might be interested.... The IPMS Granite State Modelers meet at the Nashua Library. They have a website with all the usual club info- a google search will find it. Also in the area are two other clubs: 1. IPMS Patriot Chapter, which meets in Bedford, MA. There's some crossover with the two clubs. 2. Marine Modelers Club of New England, the regional scale RC boat club. (Contact me offline if you want more info.) 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