Subject: SMML VOL 2350 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:37:01 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Scratch modeling in 1:1200 scale 2: Vickers OPV Mk 2 model on ebay 3: Re: Royal Naval Colors: Messers Przezdziecki, Seewoodies, and Hargreaves 4: Henry Blecha-can you help? 5: Re: Queen Mary 2 6: Re: Tonnage of QM2 7: Scratchbuilding Small Scales 8: Southern NH clubs 9: Santissima Trinidad Ship of the Line 10: Re: WW1 RN colours 11: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales 12: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 13: Re: Beautiful baby 14: Ship Model Clubs 15: Vosper (Vern Wilson) 16: Bill Weckel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Swapping poster/brochure of German navy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Paul Adams Subject: Re: Scratch modeling in 1:1200 scale Try SteelNavy.com They have a 1:1250 section and there are articles on scratch building. Especially look at the scratchbuilding work of John Youngerman - outsatanding! Good luck and Regards Paul Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Jimmyjb Subject: Vickers OPV Mk 2 model on ebay Greetings, I am interested in this model on ebay, which is not, as the seller thinks, a frigate, but an offshore patrol vessel (presumably a "Mark 2") and from the looks of it about 80 meters loa +- a few meters. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570369480&category=4399&rd=1 I don't know whether the ship was ever built...the model seems to be for a prototype. I could not find information for a Vickers OPV. I know that Vickers shipbuilding division is now owned/operated by Rolls Royce and I don't know about any of their small ship production. There was an OPV MK 2 in the Falklands "Operation Corporate" task force of 1982 but I can't determine whether this on might be it. Vickers had been unsuccessful in 1975-80 in wresting away some of the third world mini-destroyer market from Vosper-Thornycroft and perhaps this model represents one such proposal. Does anyone know of or recognize this one? Might be an interesting "name that ship" exercise for warship buffs. Thanks for any help, Jim Bloom Silver Spring, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Kathy/Pirie Sublett" Subject: Re: Royal Naval Colors: Messers Przezdziecki, Seewoodies, and Hargreaves My dear Darius: I took no offense - to the contrary - I am obviously in agreement. You never offend me. I think we would all be greatful to hear more from Alan Raven on this subject. Indeed, I have been hoping there might be a book in the works. Mr Raven? It's never too late. To you other gentlemen, I can only reply, yes! You are right! Anyone attempting to interpret photos must always keep in mind the difficulties imposed by the medium itself. I believe John Snyder and/or John Sheridan have previously written on this in detail over on SteelNavy and, perhaps, on this site. The subject is going to be complicated as details are winkled out. Thanks to George for bringing up the Admiralty order of 1916. It seems to me that post Jutland the Admiralty was sufficiently organized to try to bring some order to the camouflage being used. I offer one other consideration for our mutual amusement. Coal burning ships steaming hard (and shooting hard at Jutland) are going to be covered in, ah, particulate matter. Now, what's that going to do to the apparent color? Sadly, my grandfathers were both Yankees and inveterate landsmen. Would they had been RN and photographers. Pirie Sublett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gary Subject: Henry Blecha-can you help? Read with interest your roll call autobiography and I'm hoping you might be able to help with a slightly OT modelling project. Going to start a TA-7C Corsair conversion and my markings choice is an example flown by China Lake with the black tail fin with pirates head, the only pic I've been able to find is a small one in Detail and Scale and an A-7E on China Lake's website. Seeing as how you're connected with the museum there I thought I'd give you a shout. TIA Gary Schurr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Bruno Gire" Subject: Re: Queen Mary 2 Loren Pike writes ... >> Well, I am perplexed. I'm trying to put my finger on this, but I know that I just read somewhere that the ship was in the 150,000t displacement range. Any comments or am I just dreaming? << When visiting, I read that 150,000 was the tonnage figure (in barrels, one barrel equals 2.83 cu metre), as measured for any merchant ship. It was also said 50,000 was the displacement, in metric tons. 150,000 barrels is (part of) the ship internal volume 50,000 tons is the true weight of the ship Hope this helps... Keith Vokes writes .... >> such a pity she was not 'Made in Britain' Such an action 30 - 40 years ago would have been unthinkable << Don't worry, Keith: QM2 designer is British, hightech giant electric propulsion pods are British (Rolls-Royce) and I can assure you internal decoration is unmistakably British and of the true high standard Cunard tradition. ... and Frenchies are rather good passenger ship builders, too.... Bruno Gire Bordeaux, France ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Tonnage of QM2 One has to be very careful when quoting tonnage. Warships are invariably quoted in displacement tons or tonnes while merchantships usually use gross register and/or net register tonnage although displacement is sometimes quoted. Displacement is the actual weight of a ship, i.e. the weight of water displaced, while the other two are measures of capacity. Displacement is rarely used for merchantships while gross and net are not applicable to warships. Gross registered tons is a measure of the enclosed space where 100 cubic feet equals one ton. Net tonnage measures the cubic capacity of earning space such as cargo holds and passenger accomodation. Net tonnage is particularly applicable to harbor dues. The use of the word "ton" as a measure of capacity dates back to the 14th Century when capacity was based on the number of tuns of wine that could be carried, a tun being equal to 252 old wine gallons. In time the word "tun" became "ton" and the source of present day confusion. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: GKingzett Subject: Scratchbuilding Small Scales In Vol. 2348, Werner Baumbach asked for written references on how to scratchbuild small scale ships. For starters, I recommend: Shipbuilding in Miniature by Donald McNarry Scale Model Warships, edited by John Bowen (particularly the chapters by Larry Sowinski and Roger Chesenau) Ship Modeling from Scratch by Ed Leaf Building Warship Models by PC Coker Modelling Late Victorian Battleships by Brian King Either of the books written by Mike Ashey, published by Kalmbach That ought to keep him busy for a week or two. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Mark McKellar Subject: Southern NH clubs Hey Southern NH and Northern Mass folks...how about we start our own club? Mark Haverhill, MA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Paveljana1 Subject: Santissima Trinidad Ship of the Line Hi fellow SMML'ies' I need to find a model of the Santissima Trinidad, Spanish Ship of the Line, 140 guns in wood in large scale for a friend. I have done a search, but no luck. Is there such a beast??? Thank you all kindly in advance Pavel @ JAG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Brown, Michael" Subject: Re: WW1 RN colours The RAN followed the RN in those days. I have the Cockatoo Island Painting Statement for His Majesty's Australian Torpedo Boat Destroyer Huon dated 21st March 1916. It states: Outside Work Painted Black Outside surface of ship, all fittings in sight from outside of ship including :- outside of boats, inside & outside of scuttles, capstan, cable holders, outside of charthouse, guns, cable reels, searchlight projectors, masts, yards, voice pipes & fittings on weather deck except guard stanchions & depression rails. Painted white Inside of boats Regards, Michael Brown TF72 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Daniel Kurtz Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales From: JBla670364 >> I too am interested in scratch building small scales. I was looking through some old copies of Popular Mechanics' magazine and found server plans on building cabin crosiers, small sail boats and several runabouts. << OK, as long as the topic of scratchbuilt small scale stuff has been brought up, maybe someone here knows about this book I remember seeing when I was a kid. It was a book about scratchbuilding models of US Navy subjects out of wood, in what I guess might have been around 1/700 scale. When I remember seeing this book back in 1973 or so it was old... about 1940 I think. Crude stuff by modern standards but it would be fun to look at again and perhaps the patterns could be used as the basis for something. Does anybody else know anything about a book like this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: HelmiL3 Subject: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP hi victor, i am also building the trinityhouse lightship south goodwin. the deck on one of the lighthouse ships is steel and the photo i have shows a weathered black deck.the south goodwin i am building is from a russian kit called the eastern express. i scaled the model up to 36 inches and it will be radio controled. it will be made of wood and should weigh around 10-15 pounds. the russian model is 1:110 scale where as the revell kit is i believe 1:144 scale.It seems the older ships both steel & wood decks from the photos i have seen the deck looks like weathered teak. if you or anyone else can help me how to figure out the scale of a ship, please let me know. best regards LEE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ray Cockram Subject: Re: Beautiful baby Hi Gus, In regard to the Repulse what is it you want to know? Feel free to contact me off list at; kooma@ihug.com.au Look forward to hearing from you mate. Cheers Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Vincent.Mccullough Subject: Ship Model Clubs All, I noticed the discussion of ship model clubs in New Hampshire, and checked two locations for information on them. One, the Nautical Research Guild site at http://www.naut-res-guild.org/Services/clubs.html did not have anything in New Hampshire. John Kopf's Shipmodelling FAQ DID have The Upper Valley Model Shipwright Guild at http://home.att.net/~ShipModelFAQ/smf-q100.html. This raises a good point. Maintaining a list of ship modeling clubs, and keeping it current, is a worthwhile but difficult venture because it relies on the clubs themselves for input. John Sheridan and I (mostly John) maintain the NRG's website, and would find it very helpful if everyone would check the listings at the page above and either (a) give us updates if the information is incorrect/out of date, or (b) let us know about clubs that are not listed. Send any information to webmaster@naut-res-guild.org and we'll add it to the site. And if you guys in southern NH start a club, be sure to let us know about it! Vince McCullough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Vosper (Vern Wilson) Hi Vern, Sincerely appreciate your reply!! Tamiya's Vosper is a big kit and it is over 15 years old. Kit instructions -- in Japanese - referring RC modifications, but no idea what it is saying!! Was kinda of hoping with your doing some RC kits, you might lead me in the right path. Thank you again for your time!! Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Bill Weckel Bill, Sincerely appreciate your response to the "Reagan" thing. Seriously doubt it is countermeasure device because I saw it "a while" back in a picture of a Nimitz class carrier in port with the "thing" on the stern. Cannot tell you the "when" of my belief, but strongly believe it to be something to do with a "place" to land crewmen from the launches, like a landing dock. Don't know if it is retractable, or how it actually functions. Threw it out to the SMML whole with the hope someone might have an idea of what I am talking about and clue us in as to what it actually it is. Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Swapping poster/brochure of German navy Hallo all, anyone interested in swapping a poster of German Navy vessels for one of his country's navy? Just e-mail me. Cheers Werner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume