Subject: SMML VOL 2351 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:25:43 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 2: Re: Queen Mary 2 3: Re: TA-7C Corsair model 4: Re: Royal Navy Colours 5: Re: Nimtz class 6: Re: Vickers OPV Mk 2 model on ebay 7: Re: Gus & Reagan Thing 8: Re: Scratch modeling in 1:1200 scale 9: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales 10: Re: Santissima Trinidad 11: Nimitz class stern 12: Club in Mass 13: Naval Base Hobbies 14: Re: potential QM2 or other ocean liner models 15: An answer (I hope) and a question or two besides 16: Re: Reagan "thing" 17: Response to Gary Schurr!! 18: Calculating scale 19: Re: Queen Mary 2 20: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands 21: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 22: Ray "Repulse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Philadelphia Ship Model Society 2: Re: Southern NH clubs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kits for sale! 2: New from Tom's Modelworks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Ken" Subject: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP A semi-tongue-in-cheek question for Lee (HelmiL3). Just what are you going to RC? In common with all the Trinity House Light Vessels, the Goodwin had no engines. They were towed to their station and anchored in place. I remember opening the kit and thinking "Wait a minute - there is something missing down there at the stern!" Sort of like the mechanic who opened the hood of the first VW's. Ken Youngstrom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: Queen Mary 2 Bruno Gire wrote: >> Don't worry, Keith: QM2 designer is British, hightech giant electric propulsion pods are British (Rolls-Royce) and I can assure you internal decoration is unmistakably British and of the true high standard Cunard tradition. ... and Frenchies are rather good passenger ship builders, too.... << Considering that the same French shipyard that constructed the QM2 once built the original Queen Mary's greatest rival, the Normandie, I'd say the new liner has an impeccable pedigree. ;-) David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: TA-7C Corsair model Gary, Log onto www.planesoffame.org and post your question on the air museum's message board. I'll bet you have your answer in no time. Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Royal Navy Colours Pirie, you wrote: >> ... I offer one other consideration for our mutual amusement. Coal burning ships steaming hard (and shooting hard at Jutland) are going to be covered in, ah, particulate matter. Now, what's that going to do to the apparent color?... << Don't actually think that it was much of a factor since RN captains were known to spend more time on "spic and span" appearance of their ships than on gunnery training of their crews... It is worth pointing out thou that colour of the ship can never be judged by the colour of its funnels since heat of the smoke and steam leads to the quick deterioration of the paint. It is one of the reasons why there is such an argument about what was the right shade of "buff" in black/white/buff scheme. There is an unfortunate (IMO) tendency to attempt to judge the shade of buff by looking at ship's most prominent features - its funnels. Darius ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "The code" Subject: Re: Nimtz class Having served on Nimitz as a flight deck trouble shooter ...the post about Nimitz and her sisters having something deployed from the stern.. I believe it is her After brow, or landing dock. There is a retractable landing dock that tucks up into the stern ..This was used primarily to embark her enlisted crew in the big 50 ft launchs.. Officer barges and gigs were amidships cheers Bill Code ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "George Peat" Subject: Re: Vickers OPV Mk 2 model on ebay Hi Guys, Reference item 2 the OPV Mk 2 on 'E' bay. That is a totally fictional [prototype?????] model, definate;y not one of the serving OPV{2] Dumbarton Castle or Leeds Castle. Both of these ships were build by Hall Russel in Aberdeen [now defunct] George ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: William Weckel Subject: Re: Gus & Reagan Thing Gus, OK, now I think I know what you might be talking about. When we (USS Eisenhower) would hit a port where we couldn't go pier-side (which was most of the them), we had a thing that was just basically a large raft that the bosuns tied up to the stern of the ship. I think they called it a camel. It acted as a small pier for the liberty boats and ferrys to tie up to. This "camel" was usually provided by whatever company the Navy contracted with for port services. On the Ike, it wasn't part of the ship. Maybe they've actually fitted something to the ships now that serves the same purpose, some type of retractable landing platform? ... dunno as I've been out since '91. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Scratch modeling in 1:1200 scale A great place to look is John Youngerman's own site: http://shipandplane.com/ Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "William H. Shuey" Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales >> OK, as long as the topic of scratchbuilt small scale stuff has been brought up, maybe someone here knows about this book I remember seeing when I was a kid. It was a book about scratchbuilding models of US Navy subjects out of wood, in what I guess might have been around 1/700 scale. When I remember seeing this book back in 1973 or so it was old... about 1940 I think. Crude stuff by modern standards but it would be fun to look at again and perhaps the patterns could be used as the basis for something. Does anybody else know anything about a book like this? << In reference to Mr. Kurtz question above. One of the odder programs that cropped up during W.W.II was one to have school children build recognition models for training of air and ship crew. The Aircraft program involved the government supplying sets of drawings and templates so High School kids could make wood 1/72 scale models and paint them black and supply them through their schools to the Army/Navy/whatever. I have a book written by Mr. Emanuele Stieri titled "Building Model Warplanes", published in 1943 by Duell, Sloan and Pearce of New York, which included the plans and at one time the full set of patterns. The patterns are long gone from my copy but the book is still an interesting piece of nostalgia. The program was kind of overtaken when the Cruver Co. of Chicago figured out how to mold them in a black bakelite plastic. I presume many have seen the odd solid black plastic identification model at one time or another. They are collectors pieces today. Robert Mikesh did a very interesting article on the program in the May/June 1984 issue of Fine Scale Modeller. I suspect that there was a similar program for ship recognition models. I know the Comet Metal Products Co. built both 1/500 scale composite wood and metal I/D. models and 1/1200 scale cast metal I.D. models for the forces. I also know that later Comet marketed kits for the 1/500 scale ships and later the complete 1/1200 scale ships as well. If you really want to pursue a copy of the book you might look for a title like "Building Model Warships" and published by Duell, Sloan and Pearce. Good luck! Bill Shuey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: John Wressell Subject: Re: Santissima Trinidad Yes there was such a ship, at the time I believe she was the largest warship in the world. She may have been 130 guns, not sure. Many references to her in naval history books but sorry to say I have no idea where you would find a model. I should think that plans might be available. Spain probably has a Naval Museum and you could start there. Try the Spanish Embassy in Washington. John Wressell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Jim McNeil" Subject: Nimitz class stern about ten years ago the Teddy R was in Halifax (the one in Canada) and I got the chance to get on board for a tour. There was a plain flat float tied to the stern ,where the ships boats discharged passengers and there was an open iron stairwell attached to the stern, almost like staging. This was ten years ago and I didn't pay much attention to it(I wasn't interested in ships then). Jim McNeil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Club in Mass Mark, That may be a good idea to explore. Rod D. Methuen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Naval Base Hobbies Does anybody know what's going on with Naval Base? I emailed Shaya about a week and a half back and have heard nothing from him or anybody else. I was inquiring about the status of the Admirable class Minesweeper, the old Lindberg model. It was listed as a Naval Base model, similar to when they re-popped the old LST. It was supposed to be reissued, then it was changed to a "maybe" on the page, now it's listed as "Gone". But the page lists it as "Coming Soon". Very confusing, very contradictory. Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Way, David L" Subject: Re: potential QM2 or other ocean liner models I would be pleasantly surprised to see a new plastic injected or resin kit of the QM2, let alone any other badly neglected great ocean liner subject, be produced in the future. In any scale! If you recall, White Ensign Model tried to launch a model of the attractive four stacker RMS Aquitania with pledges of individuals credit card numbers. I believe they couldn't get enough people to sign up to justify producing this kit. What a pity. Perhaps a newer subject would generate the interest required for a plastic injection kit. However, if you look back in history at the number of ocean liner kits released, it appears the manufacturers have not felt there was much of an ocean liner kit market. For a "new" 1/350 scale model we have only seen the Titanic and Luisitania kits released and that was from back in the late seventies!! Some of the Airfix, Revell and other odd ocean liner kits in the 1/600 / other various scales, date all the way back from the sixties!! I still can't believe Heller never came out with a kit of the Normandie or any other great French liner. Well, I could ramble on further, calling out many other attractive liners which would make a great kit. Perhaps someone, such as Iron Shipwright, would be willing to take a crack at producing a liner kit. If it was put into a troop ship configuration, with GUNS on it, then maybe it would sale. Right!!!! Regards, Dave Way Huntington Beach, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Vern Wilson" Subject: An answer (I hope) and a question or two besides Gus, Exactly how big (long) is the hull of the Tamiya Vosper? Depending on the size of the model if it's small enough you can power it with modified servo motors. This what Lindberg basically did when they offered their tugboat kit in R/C form. What you can do is take the servo apart, remove all the gears, move the potentionometer (spelling?) out to the side, leaving it wired electrically, and connect the motor directly to a prop shaft. What you end up with is a motor with fully proportional speed control with forward and reverse. There are articles on the net explaining how to do this (with pictures) much better than I can. If the Vosper is a dual or tri-engined vessel you could make all the props/shafts powered my this method. Hope this helps. Let me now how it goes. Al Ross, PT boat guru. I have a question for you...Do you happen to have plans showing the dimensions of the experimental aux. fuel tank on the Elco PT-196? Or know where I can obtain them? Vern ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Bull Subject: Re: Reagan "thing" I came in a few days late on this thread, but here's my 2 cents. Served aboard the Nimitz CVN-68, and when the ship was anchored in harbor instead of tied up pierside, a temporary dock was rigged to the stern. Gangways led from the hatches under the fantail down to the platform where "liberty boats" transported crewman to/from shore. The dock and boats were supplied by the shore facilities. Don't recall the details of the setup, had my mind on other things. I do remember all the fun in choppy weather, watching drunk(?) sailors trying to navigate from a tossing boat to a heaving dock and up a sliding gangway. The boat always did look good, though, heading back out to her at night with the numbers on the island lit up...."Hotel 68, we'll leave the light on". Bull ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Response to Gary Schurr!! Gary Schurr I received your note and may be able to help. I will have to see if the pictures of the A-7 pirate head still exist. Their were two aircraft: the A-7E with one pirate head and the TA-7C that had two pirate heads on the tail. In order to not bore the folks here on SMML with any further details. Feel free to contact me at I look forward to hearing from you. v/r Henry Blecha ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: GKingzett Subject: Calculating scale Lee, it is easy to figure the scale of any model. For your example, take the length of the real ship in feet, divide it by the length of the model in feet. The result is the scale. You can compare the dimension of anything the same way. Just make sure you use the same units for both. Feet, inches, centimeters, whatever. To determine the length a model should be, take the length of the real ship, divide it by the scale you want to use. The answer is the model length. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: keith.vokes Subject: Re: Queen Mary 2 Bruno Gire writes >> and Frenchies are rather good passenger ship builders too << Indeed Bruno - The 'Normandie' must rank amongst the most beautiful passenger ships ever built and I'd put it near the top of my list of 1:700 scale liners (if anyone ever starts a series) Everyone seems to be buildings cruise liners - The Finns, Italians, German. Everyone except the British! Incidentally the Frenchies made some cracking warships as well. How about Dunkerque or Richlieu in 1:700 Yes Please! Regards, Keith Vokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "johnny.geldhof17" Subject: Re: Things to do in the Netherlands Hello, Navy Days in Den Helder are normally at the same weekend as the Belgian Navy Days. Belgian Navy Days are on 10th July and 11th July (the whole weekend). I presume The Dutch Navy Days are at the same time, from 9th July till 11th July. You could visit both, they are both interesting. Hotels must be booked. I stayed there in a small hotel, which was located outside Den Helder. It was a very good hotel, but I forgot unfortunately the name. It's located in I've been there for a whole week, because I did there an exhibition with my collection. Part you can see on my website: www.royalnavy-sectionbelge.tk In Rotterdam, there is also a large marine museum. They also a large bookstore and modellingstore. In Rotterdam there is also situated the 'Mariniersmuseum'. Also very interesting. On Texel the Dutch Marines are always training. They land there with their landingsships on the beaches and keep their exercises. Belgian para-commando's are also training there. Hope you'll enjoy your stay in Den Helder. When you have time, visit also the Navy Days in Zeebrugge. Regards, Johnny Geldhof www.royalnavy-sectionbelge.tk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Clive Lawford" Subject: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP Hi Victor and Lee, I have some photos of the Goodwin lightships, including the South Goodwin's, though they are probably a new version than the models. Let me know if you would like copies? >> i scaled the model up to 36 inches and it will be radio controled. << I don't think any of the lightships had engines in them!!! Best regards, Clive Please visit my homepages: (note new addresses) 44ft Motor Lifeboats (Waveney Class) http://home.online.no/~lawford/xrl/xrl.htm Ramsgate Lifeboat http://home.online.no/~lawford/rl/rl.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Ray "Repulse" Ray, Please contact me at GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Tried your email address and came back as undeliverable. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Philadelphia Ship Model Society Hi SMMLies, If there is anyone living around the Newark, DE area, the Philadelphia Ship Model Society is having a model show at the Kirkwood Highway Library on Sat. Nov, 8th 10:00am - 5:00pm. This is not a contest but just a thing we do twice a year to try and get the word out about us, ship modeling and recruit new members. Anyone interested please contact me at propmeup@att.net Thanks, Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Randy Ward Subject: Re: Southern NH clubs From: Mark McKellar >> Hey Southern NH and Northern Mass folks...how about we start our own club? << From: Vincent.Mccullough >> the Nautical Research Guild site did not have anything in New Hampshire. << Hi, Mark! Let's do it! I'm embedding my email address herein (randiward@ttlc.net) in hopes it won't get stripped out automatically. Drop me a note and we can proceed full ahead! Otheres interested, let me know and I'll pass it on to Mark, as well. Hi, Vincent! I'm an NRG member, so that was one of the early places for me to check. 'Will let you know when we launch... Randy Member, NRG Member, Sons & Daughters of Pioneer Rivermen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Kits for sale! Hello: Here's my current discard list. Since members of the board have helped me to acquire kits in the past, I am returning the favour. All boxes have been opened, but are (to the best of my knowledge) complete. These kits are either outside of my scale or period interests, or surplus to my needs. If it is not listed, I am not selling it! All prices are in $US, shipping extra. I will ship to anywhere, but live in Canada. I prefer payment in International US money orders. Please contact me off-list. I will begin listing the survivors on eBay in about 2 weeks! 1/270 Doyusha 0-55(???) IJN Early WWII submarine. Sealed bag, rubber-band powered. Definitely OOP and very rare. Asking $20.00. 1/400 Innex ORP Sep SS (Post-WWII version) Kit is now marketed by Mirage. Sealed bag. Asking $10.00 Heller Mark IV LCT. Old kit, box crushed. Asking $10.00. To purchase, or ask questions please contact me off-line. If you feel my prices are out of line, make an offer, please do not clog up the message board for this. Regards Peter K. H. Mispelkamp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Tom's Modelworks" Subject: New from Tom's Modelworks 1/400 scale set 4011 brass for all four of the from Mirage Type II German U-Boat kits $12.50 1/400 scale set 4018 brass for the Heller Lutzow kit catapults, radars, rails and more $20.00 1/400 scale set 4019 brass for all six of the Mirage Type VII German U-Boat kits $16.00 all three sets can be viewed on our web site www.tomsmodelworks.com by the end of the week. For the aircraft builders. WWII US Carrier deck tie down strips in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 scales. all based off WWII builders blue prints from The Floating Drydock. designed on a computer and to exact blue print dimensions. will be available and on our web site before end of month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume