Subject: SMML VOL 2352 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 06:37:38 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Santissima Trinidad 2: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales 3: Thermopylae Instructions 4: Aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln 5: Roll Call 6: Re: Reagan thing 7: Landing craft of WWII 8: Classic Warship Books #19 Km Bismarck & #20 Hms Hood 9: Re: Modelling in Small Scales 10: Minesweeper & LSD 11: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 12: Santissima Trinidad - Followup 13: Reagan Thing 14: Parts for Revell 1/540 Essex Class needed 15: Ink jet decal paper 16: Re: potential QM2 or other ocean liner models 17: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP 18: Re: SMML Roll Call 19: Ted Treadwell's moldy book -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Scale Calculator Program 2: WTB: 1/48 F7F Tigercat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Richa5011 Subject: Re: Santissima Trinidad There was also a well detailed article in Scientific American during the mid-or late-1980's (sorry but I don't recall the exact date, but I do have the issue somewhere in my files...will have a look) on this ship. This publication is available on microform at most University Libraries. As I recall the article delt primarily with the technology of building such a large (for its time) ship. Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Arthur Herrick" Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding small scales Re: William Shuey 6 Nov. Message in reply to Mr. Kurtz's Subject question. See below: Mr. Kurtz wrote (Edited): >> ... I remember seeing when I was a kid. It was a book about scratchbuilding models of US Navy subjects out of wood, in what I guess might have been around 1/700 scale. When I remember seeing this book back in 1973 or so it was old... about 1940 I think. Crude stuff by modern standards but it would be fun to look ... << I have a 1947 book that might meet Kurtz's basic description; United States Navy WATERLINE MODELS And How To Build Them, by John Philips Cranwell and Samuel A. Smiley, 141 pages, 7 1/2 x 10, First Edition 1947, W. W. Norton & Co., Inc., New York. The book is written for the beginner ship modeler,with the Introduction giving the "why" and "basic how" of minature shipbuilding. Chapter 1 is on Tools and Materials, and Chapter 2 on Model Building Hints. A Glossary is at the end of the book. The resulting models could be classed as simplified recognition models. Chapter 3 is broken down into 20 numbered Parts with each covering a particular ship. Each Part include's an official Navy photo and specs. of the actual ship, a photo of the completed model, a working drawing scaled 1:1200, and model construction notes. The model subjects cover battleships to destroyers and auxillary ships. The final model covered is the ocean liner SS America in both her civilian livery and as the Navy transport USS West Point. It should be noted that, to some, this book might seem dated, and that our building of minature warships has become much more sophisticated. The book is still an interesting piece of modelmaking history. I am glade to have it in my collection of reference books. I just checked www.used.addallbooks.com and there are copies of this book available for $7.50 for a readers copy, to $40 for a first edition in good condition. Bill Shuey wrote as a Side Bar to the Subject at hand (Edited): >> One of the odder programs that cropped up during W.W.II was one to have school children build recognition models for training of air and ship crew. The Aircraft program involved the government supplying sets of drawings and templates so High School kids could make wood 1/72 scale models and paint them black and supply them through their schools to the Army/Navy/whatever. << I had fun participating in this program in the early 1940s. I remember my favorite model subject being the Navy's PBY flying boat ... a big model at 1:72 scale. Still have the certificate that the Navy gave me in 1942, when I was going on fourteen years old, acknowleging my perticipation in the program. At the time I was enrolled at Rindge Technical High School, in Cambridge, Mass., and this program was run by the Woodworking Shop. We did all the model work at home, after school hours; with the exception of bandsawing the model's componants to profile shape in the school's woodworking shop, with the school supplying the poplar wood stock. Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Salas, Allan" Subject: Thermopylae Instructions I was recently "given" a 1/96 scale kit of the Thermopylae made by Revell, complete with green upper works and painted copper underside. I'm pretty good at assembling kits when the instructions are in a foreign language, but this kit had no instructions at all! Does someone out there have a set of instructions I can get a copy of. Will gladly pay for shipping and copying. Thanks in advance Allan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Kutina Subject: Aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lincoln/ http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lincoln/subcategory.asp?DisplayType=ThumbDesc&SubID=421&Page=1&PicsPerPage=8 Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Roll Call Now that most of you have replied to the roll call, some of us procrastinators can chime in. I am 58 years old. I retired after 30 years as a maintenance worker in an oil refinery. I served in the US Navy in the late 60's. I was onboard the USS America CVA-66. It was the newest carrier in the fleet when I went aboard (67) and it is now in mothballs in Philadelphia. I have 2 cats (outside only) 1 dog, 3 stepchildren and 1 son who is 9 years old. Boy, you should see the collection of models, decals, books, mags, etc. that he will inherit one of these days. I'm going to build everything I have but for every model I complete, I buy 10 or 15 more kits. I cycle interests every several years. Currently I am doing 1/144 airliners. I also do 1/72 aircraft, 1/350 ships and the occasional car. The trouble is that I still collect all my interests even if I am not building them at the time. Jim Johnson IPMS 1788 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Jim Johnson" Subject: Re: Reagan thing When I was on active duty, most carriers had a structure on the fantail that was used to run jet engines. It was made of I-beams and angle iron. A jet engine could be attached, plumbed up and tested. There was a control house nest to it. There was a protrusion that stuck out from the stern of the ship to accommodate this. May that is what is being referred to. Jim Johnson PS - in the two years I was on board, I never say this in use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Katherine Reddy" Subject: Landing craft of WWII The "bible" on USN Landing Craft (and every other type ship that carried troops) is "U.S. AMPHIBIOUS SHIPS AND CRAFT, An Illustrated Design History" by Norman Friedman, published by the Naval Institute Press in 2002. As is expected there are numerous quality photos and line drawings by the author and A.D. Baker III. This 659 page book, covers the history of amphibious warfare as it relates to the USN, from WWI into this century. There is considerable mention of the British input on USN designs Appendix A covers Maritime Prepositioning and Sealif.t Appendix B covers the Landing Craft/Ship Programs. Appendix C has listings of all amphibious ships by class, the original as well as their current designations, from the AGC/LCC 1 USS Appalacian to LCS(L)/LSSL 130. This book is a must have for anyone interest in amphibious operations. I purchased my copy from Barnes & Noble. Bob Reddy Columbus, OH USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Billgior Subject: Classic Warship Books #19 Km Bismarck & #20 Hms Hood Hello Smml Members I have just received the Classic Warship Books #19 Km Bismarck and #20 Hms Hood and I would like to say that these two books are very nicely done. Steve Wiper has done it again with high quality photographs and for the first time 3d drawings from Mr. Thomas Schmid,- on Hms Hood and Km Bismarck. These books for the 3d drawings alone make these two books a must not only for the modeler but for the history buff also. The book covers on these two books are excellent done 3d drawings from Thomas Schmid and the layout is nicely done. I highly recommend these two books for the modeler because there is some new details on the camo on Km Bismarck that is very interesting that I know you would like to see. So Steve keep up the good work on your books Bill Giordano ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: CokerRE Subject: Re: Modelling in Small Scales In reference to Mr. Kurtz's question about modeling in small scales, I think that the book he is looking for is US Navy Waterline Ship Models by Cranwell & Smiley published in 1948. I had the pleasure of dining with Mr. Cranwell in the mid-1970s in his elegant home on Capitol Hill in Washington and viewed his collection. Unfortunately I have not kept up with him so I do not know what became of him or his collection. The book in question was like all of the early books on warship models, rather simple and crude by today's comparison but this was in the days before power tools became widespread and access to accurate ship plans was non existant unless you worked in the Navy or ship construction area. Mr. Smiley as I understand worked for the Scientific and Technical Intelligence section of the old Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Here he was able to pick up literally thousands of World War II era ship plans and photos of foreign and US warships as the Navy discarded them. Whatever happened to them after his death some 30 or more years ago is unknown to this writer. What a treasure trove they would be to any naval historian. Hopefully the collection is still around and not where the government was sending it when he saved it. P.C. Coker/ Charleston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: shaya novak Subject: Minesweeper & LSD I have been negoiating for years with Lindberg to come out with these kits. They weren't interested. So then I switched to NBH bringing it out in our name like we did with the LST in 1994 but, by that time they upped the manufactureing price. Now they may get rid of the model part of the business so I have been trying to buy the molds. They just aren't sure what is going to be the company so the project is off for now. The Captain Naval Base Hobbies www.totalnavy.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: YNHOBBY Subject: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP Hi, Thanks for the information on the deck colorings. No need for photos at this time. Regards, Victor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Richa5011 Subject: Santissima Trinidad - Followup As a followup to my earlier reply...a faulty memory and a lot of filing cabinets in my garage has yeilded the issue in question - December 1984 - which contains a well illustrated 8 page article on the Santisima Trinidad by a John D. Harbron. The perspective drawings are not suitable for building a model, but will provide interesting information and details. There are also a number of profiles of the various naval guns of the era and an excellent explanation of how a composite structure mast was made during that era. If you would like a copy, and you don't have a garage full of filing cabinets full of old magazines, most major Univeristies (at least here in the US) have Scientific American on microfilm. Historically, SA has a lot of naval related articles, especially around the turn of the century. In the event you can not find it in microform let me know and I can arrange to make you copies. Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: GUSDOCVILL Subject: Reagan Thing Gentlemen, Thank you everso much for your comments on the Reagan Thing. "Aft brow", "landing dock", "camel", "flat float" all these terms do ring a bell! I remember seeing similar "floats" on the Forrestal and Saratoga when in Mayport, FLA. and the Med. I was on a destroyer (Gearing class) and saw these items. But, what I saw is more of a "cage-like" thing somehow attached to the stern. Bull, you should have seen us "intoxicted" sailors attempteing to step from a launch to the ladder going up the wet steel side of a tin-can!! As duty corpsman, I usually watched the liberty boats pull along side and unload their cargo quickly, as curfew approached. Two difference occasions, I had to jump into freezing water to pull a sailor from the water. Remember how heavy the blue uniforms got when SOAKED!? Sailor would have drowned by the time the DOD threw out the life ring! Thanks for the memory. . . Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: David Sepos Subject: Parts for Revell 1/540 Essex Class needed Greetings: Does anyone have the following parts in their scrap box or a junk kit laying around? I have the Revell Lexington (training carrier version) to build. I had Bonnie Dick years ago, and remember it as the same kit except for the airwing. I would assume the first 3 are common to all kit issues except for the airwing of the Lexington. Part 6 whale boat and deck Part 36R right propeller (1) Part 37L left propeller (1) Part 66 T-28 aircraft (1) I really need the first 3, the fourth would be nice, but not totally necessary. I would be happy to pay the postage. Please contact me offsite at scatxxviiNOSPAM@yahoo.com, remove the NOSPAM. TIA, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike Potter Subject: Ink jet decal paper Has anyone experience with this, and is anyone interested in splitting an order: http://www.inkjetdecalpaper.com/inkjet-instructions.html Cheers, Mike Potter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: potential QM2 or other ocean liner models >> I would be pleasantly surprised to see a new plastic injected or resin kit of the QM2, let alone any other badly neglected great ocean liner subject, be produced in the future. In any scale! << I have never seen the model in person, but Trident Hobbies lists a 1/350 QE2 by Gunze Sangyo as available for immediate shipment. See their site at: http://tridenthobbies.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NM&Product_Code=GUN403&Category_Code=GUN I have added this model to my wish list of future purchases, but it will have to wait until the budget recovers from today's arrival of the Trumpeter Yorktown and Leopold rail gun I purchased from Trident. If anyone has built or seen the Gunze QE2, please comment. Mike Settle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: HelmiL3 Subject: Re: GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP hi from lee, thank you for the responce from ken clive and gkingzett. i had chosen the south goodwin model to enlarge it to a 36 inch r/c ship because i did like the lines of the hull. i was looking for something different to build because tug boats are very popular in the club that i belong to.the boys in the club like to run there boats long after dark., i thought it would neat to have a lightship in the distance guiding there boats. i saw this ship on the shelf and took it home. when i opened the box i saw that it did not have a screw on the fantall, since it was a russian kit that i never heard of [eastern express] i just assumed it was a short cut from the manufacture. later i found out after some research tha lightships where towed to there position, i have not decited if i will put a motor in it or build a tug and pull it around. since it will not be seen in the water i might power it with a motor. i plan to have all the port holes illuminated and have a pulsing brite lite for the beacon. also thanks for the info. on the scale figures. best wishes to all LEE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Topy Yester" Subject: Re: SMML Roll Call Dear All, I'm Zsolt Szalanczi from Hungary, hiding behind of an Internet nickname: Topy Sorry for being late, I do not have the possibility to check in into my internet mailbox frequently and this time my short planned holiday ended much shorter than I expected landing in sick list: torn ligament in my ankle. :-(( I'm 36, male, married, no kids, about 175 cm lenght and 55 cm beam (with arms), gross displacement about ...I do not tell (some surplus you know...) and have some sense for humour. I work for an international bank for five years now in Electronic Banking area. I live in East Central Europe in a tiny little country - with no seas (anymore) My hobby is military history and modeling, my dream is to travel around the world. Main interest in modeling: WWII USN aircrafts and ships - in focus with Battle of Midway. I'm a member of the Battle of Midway Roundtable as well. I have some buit and a hill of unbuilt models. My last was a 1/700 Matchbox Indianapolis (Brrrr) currently a 1/700 Revell Atlanta is in the yard together with an 1/72 Academy P-47 Thunderbolt and an Alby 1/72 Staghound. (The ship modeling is not the main direction recently) Since I'm not an active contributor rather a enthusiastic listener I want to thank you all who helped me directly or through this list with answering my questions. Best regards, Zsolt from Budapest, Hungary "Historia est magistra vitae" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Russell Adams" Subject: Ted Treadwell's moldy book My wife is a used book dealer and she has run into this problem: On a baking sheet, spread a generous amount of activated charcoal. Cover with paper towel(s). Place book on towel, another towel on top of book. Cover top towel with more charcoal. Let air out naturally ( in the sun is recommended). Change towels daily, you need only stir up the charcoal then re-use. Activated Charcoeal available at harware, pet, drug store. Sounds like a neat book! Good Luck! Russell Adams, Windsor, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "NJAHOF" Subject: Scale Calculator Program A fellow liner enthusiast sent this to me...I liked it so much I reviewed it...it calculates scales from model dimensions, actual dimensions, reduction or enlargements for photocopying, etc. In my opinion, it's a must have for ship modelers... Here's the review http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/misc/quickscale/quickscale.htm It's shareware, but well worth the $10 to remove the pop-up reminder and timer that clogs up the free version. Jeff Herne Modelwarships.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: WTB: 1/48 F7F Tigercat Hi SMMLies, Anyone out there have an unbuilt F7F Tigertcat in 1:48 they like to part with? Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume