Subject: SMML VOL 2357 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:43:23 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Tribals 2: Re: warship profile no 36 - plans for canonicus class monitors 3: Re: inkjet decals 4: Re: Talbot Booth. Waterline ... 5: Re: mouldy and stinky books 6: Cigarette smell in books 7: Channel 31 8: Re: Cigarette smell in books 9: Re: Floating Drydock 10: MUSTY AND/OR SMOKY BOOKS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New Reviews for Rajen's List ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GORDONBUT Subject: Re: Tribals To Mike Kane. There is a book called Tribal Class Destroyers by Peter Hodges, It is out of print but can occasionally be got from second hand book shops Gordon Buttress ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Terry Wiltshire Subject: Re: warship profile no 36 - plans for canonicus class monitors David I'm pretty sure I have a copy of this at home in Budapest. I will be back at the weekend and if you have had no joy by then e-mail me directly and I will scan it for you. My e-mail is terryn at axelero.hu Terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SeaWoodies Subject: Re: inkjet decals >> I have had and ALPS printer for many years (actually two, one is a spare!!) and do all my own decals. I have also tried all the inkjet decal systems. Most do not do as well as hoped, however, I have just tried the new decal system put out by Testors and I am really impressed. The decals are top notch. However, they still lack the white and metalic colors of the ALPS. << There was and may still be a product in stationary stores called Ibifoil which comes in both gold and silver metallic. The desired image is printed with regular black toner, and the resulting sheet is paired with an ibifoil sheet and run back through the rollers. The metallic foil adheres to the black toner image. Since black toner can print on clear plastic sheet seems one could easily make metallic name plates on a waterproof backing. I believe they also have colors. SeaWoodies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Hans Christensen" Subject: Re: Talbot Booth. Waterline ... Hi gms5372 The contents of the books seems to be exactly the same in the US and UK editions. Regards Hans Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: mouldy and stinky books Hi there, I am not an expert on saving books but here are my thoughts on damp/mouldy books and books that reek of cigarette smoke. These are two different problems. Lets deal with them one at a time. (1) Mouldy books. Mould as well as other microorganisms need two things to grow - and then become a problem for books. One is water, the other is food. Very little food will do: some dust or whatever can be leached out of the paper. Microorganisms are not picky. There's always one that is able to use whatever is available. Thus, it is next to impossible to suppress their growth by taking all the "food" away. I wouldn't bother to try. The other essential is water. Once more, a little dampness can carry you a long way, if you happen to be a mould or a bacterium. However, for us it is relatively easy to withdraw the water. This stops mould and bacteria from growing. There are many ways to draw the moisture out of things. I haven't tried this with books yet but I would guess the following treatments ought to work: Putting the book into a desiccator and apply a vacuum (as already suggested by someone else). Hygroscopic chemicals specifically produced to bind water - remember the little paper pouches that come in the packaging for shoes, cameras etc. with the warning "do not eat" - that kind of stuff. One such compound is drierite, another is cristal-water free copper sulfate. The good thing about these compounds is that they change color when they pick up water. So you can tell when their water binding capacity is exausted. Moreover, they can be regenerated by baking them in an oven. Since you want them to draw water out of a book and not to dehumidify your whole house put them together with the book in a plastic bag and tie it shut. Kitty litter works mainly by drawing moisture out of poo and pee. Thus, it is probably also good to dry books. However, get a kind that is not heavyly perfumed or else you'll end up with bathroom-freshner smelling books.A dehumidifier should also work. Place the book next to the air intake of a dehumidifier unit. Airing out the book is also promising, as long as the air is dry. Opening the book and leafing through the pages assists in letting the water evaporate. Activated charcoal, as has been suggested before, does not bind water. I expect it to be useless to stop mold growth. Dampness control stops the growth of microorganisms however it does not necessary kill them all. Some of them, moulds included produce spores which can wait for better (moister) times for month or years in suspended animation. Thus it is crucial to not let the books get damp again. (2) Books that stink of cigarette smoke. What we smell as smoke is a mixture of many different volatile chemicals. Most or all of them are organic i.e. have a structure based on carbon. Here is where activated charcoal comes in handy. It is good at binding such compounds. That's why it is found in respirator filters, odor-eater insoles, or in odor traps for refrigerators. I guess it will also bind cigarette smells. To de-stink books I'd put them in a plastic bag together with activated charcoal. Activated charcoal cannot be regenerated easily. Thus when its binding capacity is exausted it does not work any more and needs to be replaced. Airing out the books will also help but might take too long. Greetings and salutations Bernhard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Cigarette smell in books From: URUDOFSKY >> The cedar chips emit xylenes and other nasty chemicals, and using them to get rid of cigarette odor may be not be all that smart. Why not try an Ozone-generating bulb under very controlled conditions. Do they still make those? People used to have them in their smelly coal and potato bins in the basement. << I would avoid ozone or wood chips - ozone may bleach the book, while wood chips may impart an odor of their own. I would try putting the book, with spread leaves, in a plastic bag with activated charcoal. The charcoal is obtainable at a pet store. Keep the charcoal away from the paper to avoid smudging. As the odor molecules diffuse off the book they will be absorbed by the charcoal. After treatment for a few days, the charcoal can be discarded or regenerated by heating in the oven. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: andrew jones Subject: Channel 31 HIya For those in sydney, maybe in other cities as well... Channel 31 on Monday @ 3 pm is "Battleship USS Missouri: World at War", just after invasion of the body snatchers (1956) @ 1:30, just though someone might be interested about the Missouri @ not body snatchers regards Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Alan Cameron" Subject: Re: Cigarette smell in books >> The cedar chips emit xylenes and other nasty chemicals, and using them to get rid of cigarette odor may be not be all that smart. Why not try an Ozone-generating bulb under very controlled conditions. Do they still make those? People used to have them in their smelly coal and potato bins in the basement. << Hi Ulrich, Recall from schoolday chemistry classes, that ozone gas is extremely toxic to humans as well. Guess we just shouldn't smoke cigarettes in the first place? Alan Cameron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Alan Cameron" Subject: Re: Floating Drydock >> Larry Sowinski is/was affiliated with "The Floating Drydock" mail order firm, Kregesville, PA near Philly. They should have an INTERNET site. Should you find an e-mail for Mr. Sowinski, I have an burning question re destroyer deck colors pre 1937. << Hi Jeff, "The Floating Drydock" have relocated to Treasure Island in Florida and all contact info is available via www.floatingdrydock.com Cheers Alan Cameron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: MUSTY AND/OR SMOKY BOOKS HOWDY ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE MUSTYbooks, but i have a solution for the nicotine smell. START SMOKING, AND IN A COUPLE WEEKS YOU WON'T NOTICE THE SMELL. hope this helps. DAVID IN DIXIE (SEE WHAT ALL THESE CATS ARE DOIN' TO ME?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Wells Subject: New Reviews for Rajen's List Fellow SMMLlies: I am once again overhauling Rajen's List, and I'm looking for additional reviews. If you've built a plastic or resin model kit and would like to write a short review of it, please contact me off list at dave "dot" wells "at" att "dot" net. For those of you unfamiliar with Rajen's List, it is a perhaps futile, but never boring attempt to list and review every single plastic or resin model ship kit of all time. The List is strictly non-commercial, and is thus available for free. We depend on the ship modelling community to contribute reviews and further information. Many SMML members have contributed reviews already, but we always need more. 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