Subject: SMML VOL 2390 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:15:29 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 HMS Buxton 2 First U.S. Navy losses of WW 1 3 Re Concrete Liberty Ships 4 Re Revolt of the Admirals 5 Buyer beware 6 Revell 1/72 Type VIIC Etched Brass Detail Set.. and PT-109 details 7 Re IJN Mogami deck colors 8 Re Revell 'U' Boat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Re Revell U-Boat colors 2 Upgraded GMM 1/350 Missouri Set 3 warshipbooks.com St. Laurent update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Richard Mitchell" Subject HMS Buxton Can anyone help me with HMS Buxton, the Town class destroyer from the bases for ships deal. I found a picture from the stamp from the Marshall Islands, which shows her in an interesting camo. pattern. Does anyone have any details of the nature of this camo, or even a photo of the ship in question. I have found many pictures of her just prior to being sold as the USS Edwards so am fairly happy with detail. Many thanks Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject First U.S. Navy losses of WW 1 O. K., historians, here we go again. What were the first U. S. Naval ships to have been A) damaged, or to have been B) sunk, by enemy torpedo, bomb, or gunfire in WW 1 Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject Re Concrete Liberty Ships I think concrete has been used in warships since WW1 as structural and armor materials. Didn't some small German gunboats and sweepers have concrete bridges? I have heard of concrete barges (in NJ?) that were nearly impossible to blow up after the war. BTW, I think there was a resurgence of using concrete in building yacht hulls in the 1960s - ferrocement and do-it-yourself. I think it included the use of chicken fence wire mesh. Modelers got into it by using the gypsum-impregnated bandages used for casts of broken bones! Is that still done? Ulrich H. Rudofsky Delmar, NY, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Ives100@aol.com Subject Re Revolt of the Admirals >> I've been out of town for several days and am just catching up on SMML. I've come across references to this episode before but am not entirely familiar with it. Having literally just finished a biography on Truman, I wonder if this has to do with the cancellation of the CV USS United States in the early '50s. Can anyone enlighten me? << After the Second World War, the newly created Dept. of Defense brought all the services under one umbrella, with a centralized authority in the Seceratry of Defense. Basically, Truman's Secretary of Defense, Louis Johnson made the decision that the B-36 was the preferred method of projecting strategic force as opposed to naval aviation. He precipitously cancelled the USS United States just after the keel was laid. The decision to give the new US Air Force the premier role in aviation allowed naval aviation to languish. The Air Force effectively swayed political opinion that the B-36 was the superior system to aircraft carriers. It also carried out an effectve campaign for strategic air power in the pages of Reader's Digest magazine. Leading naval admirals did not fully grasp the role and powers of the new Dept. of Defense, and publicly spoke out about their unhappiness with the decision. It got nasty with implications that Johnson was involved in wrongdoing in the B-36 procurement. These charges were later proved false. Allegations that naval aviation was decaying were made by several admirals (Vice Admiral Bogan, and Adm. Radford). Their position was not supported by the civilian Secretary of the Navy, Matthews. Testimony in general support was also heard from Adms. Nimitz, Halsey and King. The CNO, Adm. Denfeld, was also torn in his loyalties between the newly formed JCS and the Navy. The Air Force waged a very successful campaign in the media, with the overwhelming view in a Gallup pole that the Air Force was the key attribute in a future war. The Navy was portrayed as being in favor of nuclear strategic bombing only when carried out from the decks of an aircraft carrier, and not by a B-36. The Korean War demonstrated that naval avaition did in fact have a role in warfare, and not all conflicts would be resolved by strategic bombing. Naval aviation tried again to carve out a role in strategic nuclear delivery later with the A-5 Vigilante, which failed. Eventually, ballistic missile submarines became the naval strategic arm, and carrier avaition flourished due to its' ability to deliver tactical air support and strike. A good paper on the Revolt of the Admirals is at http//www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/acsc/98-166.pdf Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Albert Choy Subject Buyer beware Buyer Beware -- avoid this seller http//www.buy-model.com They charge and never ship the order; or purportedly claims to have shipped the order but refuses to provide a tracking number. Also, never use PayPal and allow PayPal to debit your checking account. Instead have PayPal charge your credit card account. Paypal refuses to investigate after 30 days (even though the seller keeps affirming in writing that the shipment will arrive after the 30 day period). Thankfully I had my credit card account charged by PayPal. At least the credit card company has reversed the disputed charge and will compel PayPal to investigate and justify the charge. If you paid PayPal via a debit to your checking account, the crooked seller makes off and PayPal does diddly squat. regards, Albert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Adrian Webster Subject Revell 1/72 Type VIIC Etched Brass Detail Set.. and PT-109 details >> This means that all WEM's PE projects have been temporarily shelved. In the interim, .. << Hi Caroline, does that mean I have to stop building my Tamiya 1/350 New Jersey (just waiting for the 'ultimate' set to appear)!? -( Regards, Adrian Webster Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Mitsuaki Kubota" Subject Re IJN Mogami deck colors Hi Tim, The fo'c'sle deck is linoleum except steel deck with foot strips forward of bulwark. Seaplane stowing area is steel with foot strips, and poop deck area below is probably steel with foot strips. The controversial area is shelter deck of ship's midship sections. Tamiya's re-tooled Mogami shelter deck shows steel with foot strips. I had heard that there is official deck covering drawing of Mogami, and Tamiya referred to it. But I've not yet saw the drawing, and I myself is suspicious of steel shelter deck. Some modellers remove shelter deck foot strip mould of Tamiya Mogami kit, and represent linoleum. Also someone says the shelter deck is covered with "latex" and painted with phenol resin paint of reddish grey for the purpose of anti oil soil. Hope these helps. Merry Christmas to all, Mitsuaki Kubota http//members.jcom.home.ne.jp/hmdock/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From pwebster@froggy.com.au Subject Re Revell 'U' Boat George, I do hope you intend to R/C at least one of them. Peter Webster ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From John Snyder Subject Re Revell U-Boat colors Hi David, Use the following Colourcoats KM01 Hellgrau 50 upper hull/casing/conning tower; KM03 Dunkelblaugrau lower hull/saddle tanks; KM11 Schlickgrau 58 decks (you can also use this color for the camo pattern if you choose one of those boats). Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com for secure online ordering. For the latest news from WEM, Click Here http//www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Loren Perry Subject Upgraded GMM 1/350 Missouri Set Gold Medal Models upgraded Set No. 350-4 (1/350 scale WW2 Missouri shipset) and the all-new Set No. 350-4A (1/350 scale Gold PLUS WW2 Missouri Extra details set) are now available and shipping. Both sets combined provide all the radars, weapons details, and other parts needed for any of the four Iowa-class ships as they appeared during and immediately after World War Two. For more information, go to the GMM webpage (www.goldmm.com) and open the WHAT'S NEW section. Also, click on the highlighted names of the two sets in the 1/350 scale ORDER FORM section for detailed descriptions. Review samples have already been sent out to various model ship websites and magazines, so look for them to appear there in the very near future. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Keith Butterley" Subject warshipbooks.com St. Laurent update Hi all New book from Maritime Royal Navy Escort Carriers Canada $47CDN + shipping US/Intl $36 US + shipping I have posted a pic of the PE and decal sheet for the St. Laurent, it is still a bit of a work in progress, but it will give a pretty good idea in the direction it is going. I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy 2004. Regards Keith Butterley http//www.warshipbooks.com Vancouver site of the 2010 Winter Olympics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume