Subject: SMML VOL 2406 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:41:33 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re LCVP MGs 2 Revell and Zvezda 3 Re Recovery of the USS Cole 4 Brooke class frigates 5 Re U.S. Navy ship status 6 1/72 scale Type VIIc U-boat decals 7 Re Submarine kites and U-boat kills -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 1/350 USS Arizona for sale 2 ULAD decals are at Nautilus/AAA Hobby 3 warshipbooks.com Tribal Captain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Ken Goldman" Subject Re LCVP MGs >> Perhaps the reason was that the boats in Europe were really only used once, whereas the boats in the pacific were used over and over. << In all theaters of operation, the only reason an LCVP would be used only once was if it was destroyed or rendered unsalvageable either by enemy ordnance or being broached and battered by surf and rocks or coral. Carpenters mates were kept busy making sure that the boats could be used over and over. Even if the boat itself could not be salvaged, all useable equipment was recovered, providing the salvage teams got there before the local population had stripped them. One of the factors that kept pushing back the date for Neptune-Overlord was the shortage of landing craft -- especially the larger LSTs, which persisted and threatened to scuttle Anvil-Dragoon. Ken Goldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From JP Subject Revell and Zvezda >> USS Kearsage, scale 196, september, perhaps the most wanted old Revell sailing ship in the world. << Hard to believe. I thought they had destroyed the tooling when they created the Alabama? At least that was the scuttlebutt on this list some time ago. Does anyone know what ship the Zvezda British Brigantine is based on? The kit is very well done but I could use some references for rigging and detailing. Was this a Heller kit at one time? Thanks. Jim P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re Recovery of the USS Cole JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) wrote >> http//www.pianoladynancy.com/recovery_usscole.htm << Another site that has many dozens of additional photos is http//www.hazegray.org/features/cole/ Back when the ship was attacked, CNN.com used Andrew's site as a link for additional information, along with the official US Navy websites. Navsource.org and HazeGray.org have just about anything you'd want to know about US Navy ships. In many cases they have more than what's available at the US Navy's web sites! Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject Brooke class frigates Does anyone have or can anyone point me in the direction of a general arrangement drawing for a Brooke class frigate (particularly the USS Schofield (FFG-3), but I'm desperate and not that picky) after the hangar was enlarged (circa the early-mid '80's)? Thanks, Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re U.S. Navy ship status >> Original Question ........ What is the definitive technical difference between "Decommissioned" and "Stricken From List" when describing inactive U.S. Navy ships? I suspect it may have something to do with permanency. Is "Decommissioned" a form of mothballing, and "Stricken" a form of unsalvageability such as sinking or scrapping etc. ? Correct clarification please, SMML? << Franklyn, As an example, the USS Salem was decommissioned in 1959, after about 6 months of work to mothball the ship. The ship was maintained via dehumidification and occasional (10-20 years?) paint to keep it in relatively good condition. The SALEM was stricken in 1991, and the dehumidification equipment was removed. She was donated to the USNSM in October of 1994. Another web link is http//www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/name.htm This is the US Navy's official Naval Vessel Register of all ships and service craft. (It seems to cover WWII through the present, with some earlier ships included.) There are explanations of the various different statuses and maintenance categories at this site. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Harold Stockton" Subject 1/72 scale Type VIIc U-boat decals I just received word from Ulrich Leverenz of ULAND decals about ordering his 1/72 scale Type VIIc U-boat decal sheets from him. According to Ulrich >> If you like to order please send 11 Euro by paypal to Leverenz-Berlin@t-online.de or even by mail 13 USD to Ulrich Leverenz Nestorstr. 52 10709 Berlin Germany DONT FORGET YOUR ADRESS! I´ll send out the decal by airmail as soon as the money arrives. << These can be seen at http//misc.kitreview.com/shipreviews/typeviicuboadecaltpreviewul_1.htm Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re Submarine kites and U-boat kills Sometime last year I communicated with Franklyn Brown on this thread about the WW-I subject of submarine kites that I found mentioned in a 1914 copy of SUBMARINES, MINES AND TORPEDOES IN THE WAR, by Charles W. Domville-Fife, on the use of such devices. After much searching through the web at that time, and many emails with Franklyn, no clear decision was ever arrived at over what such devices were in real life. My contention was that these were "balloon-kites" and Franklyn was convinced that they were towed-apparatus such as para-vanes. The matter seemed at an impasse until recently. I recently found a copy of NAVAL AVIATION IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR; Its Impact And Influence, by R. D. Layman. Quite to my surprise, there is a fairly large discussion about the use of both static and towed balloons and "manned-kites" in the use for directing naval gunfire and for submarine observation, including the use of "submarine kites" in the sinking of U-69 by the RN destroyer Patriot which was part of a six destroyer "Kite Balloon Force" in June 1917. Such use of these towed ASW craft was to eventually number at least 152 craft, from destroyers, sloops, P-craft, trawlers and other craft. Such use of these balloons were to be instrumental in deterring many a potential attack from happening as the Patriot balloon detected the U-69, Ernst Wilhelms commander, at a distance of 28 miles. This U-boat's record listed 30 ships sunk for a total of 104.471 tons (warships excluded), according to U-boat Net at http//www.uboat.net/wwi/boats/index.html?boat=69 . The U-69 was recorded as last contact on July 11, 1917 while en route to patrol station off Ireland. 40 dead (all hands lost). She was a Type U-66 boat with six cruises to her credit. Though the balloon was always viewed as an interim to the use of aircraft in the ASW role, even to the point of consideration of the conversion of Campania, Furious, Vindictive (Birmingham class) Eagle and Hermes to lighter than air and aircraft use, the Germans beat the Royal Navy to the punch in "balloon" vessels with their own conversions of cargo-passenger vessels of Answald and Santa Elena and the light-cruisers Stettin and Stuttgart. And the French even converted their torpedo-boat carrier Foudre and the merchantman Campinas to such vessels. The Russians followed suit with the conversions of their nearly brand new British-built cargo-vessels Imperator Nikolai I and Imperator Alexandr I, the merchantman Orlitza and the hybrid cruiser-yacht Almaz. And the Italians had their Europa. Similar related kit items for this subject would be these Roseplane models at http//www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/rosepart.htm . The 1/72 Sopwith Camel Lighter (towed behind British destroyers as a take-off platform for Camel recon flights, but a balloon could be used instead); Kit #201. WW1 DRACHEN - OBSERVATION KITE BALLOON (used from 1914 through 1917 by the Germans, French, British and Russians); Kit #200. And the French CAQUAT - OBSERVATION KITE BALLOON (used by the French, British, and USA from 1917 on, and was copied by the Germans as their "AB TYPE" balloon in 1917. This balloon was also used in WW II as a barrage balloon.); Kit #203. And this same company's site shows a number of !/72 scale floatplanes of the different combatants. Happy modeling. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From rdauteuil@comcast.net Subject 1/350 USS Arizona for sale Good afternoon everybody, After much deliberation I have decided to sell my Banner USS Arizona model. This model is completely built up as a waterline model, and is decked out in Tom's Modelworks photoetched brass specially designed for this kit. This model won 2nd place at an IPMS show in Massachusetts (Patcon) a few years back. It also comes with the lower hull and fittings to make it a full hull model, as well as the display stand. It is on Ebay right now and the item number is 3168071828. Just thought I'd let you all know in case somebody is interested. Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From AAA Hobby Supply Subject ULAD decals are at Nautilus/AAA Hobby >> For those interested in more choices for your new U-boat, one might take a look at ULAD Decal's (Ulrich Leverenz). "This set includes individual camouflage schemes and decals for these interesting boats U-79, 82, 95, 96, 132, 136 (two styles), 201 (three styles), 202, 204,235, 262, 302, 558 and 564. "The price is 10 Euro (incl. freight costs and packaging) for 1 decal (130 x 65 mm) and instructions + short information about the fate of each boat and commander (5 pages DIN A5). To order, please contact Leverenz-Berlin@t-online.de or try the mail order houses." << I have these in the shop now. The price is $12, which includes postage here in the states. $13 for Canada & Mexico. We take PayPal to aaahobby@bellsouth.net, and most CC and m/o. http//aaahobby.com/images/ULAD-01.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Keith Butterley" Subject warshipbooks.com Tribal Captain Hi all, I would like to bring to your attention a new book from our latest supplier. From Blue Island Books; Tribal Captain by Edward Madgwick A unique, often lighthearted insight into life at sea with the RCN from 1934-63, and including some previously unpublished personal views of mutiny, rescue, wartime convoys, action in Korea, and other intriguing events. Ted ‘Mook’ Madgwick joined the RCN in 1934. His early training was conducted with the RN and in due course he specialised in gunnery; wartime service in the North Atlantic and Norwegian Sea followed. In 1951 he saw action in the Korean campaign, for which he was awarded the DFC and Legion of Merit. He served in a number of ships and commanded HMC Ships Haida, Huron, and Micmac and the 4th Escort Squadron. Latterly, he was Chief of Staff to the C-in-C pacific, and attended the Imperial Defence College. Canada $26CDN + shipping US/Intl $20US + shipping Regards Keith Butterley http//www.warshipbooks.com Vancouver site of the 2010 Winter Olympics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume