Subject: SMML VOL 2415 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:33:21 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re ShipCraft books 2 Trumpeter Qing Dao model 1/200 3 Call it a question of scale? 4 Chesneau books on Graf Spee & KGV 5 Re HMS Burwell 6 Blyskawica 7 Re Pre-Dreadnougnt Battleships 8 Blyskawica 9 How do you ......? 10 Re All I want..... 11 Re Pre Dreadnoughts 12 Carrier Island 13 Re HMS Burwell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1 IPMS/USA Region 3 Convention -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Ship books for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From RDChesneau@aol.com Subject Re ShipCraft books >> Can anyone shed light on whether these books actually have been published? << Felix I am assured that they will be published next month. Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Jimmy Bloom" Subject Trumpeter Qing Dao model 1/200 I am interested in building a model of the Qing Dao, the modern Chinese missile destroyer. I once owned an early Trumpeter 1/350 model of the Luhu class but this was not very well done. From the photos I can find it looks like maybe Trumpeter made an improvement with their 1/200 rendering. Has anyone on list built the larger Trumpeter version of the Qing Dao (improved Luhu)? I wonder whether the quality has improved with this model. Thanks for any reply, Jim Bloom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Jon Warneke Subject Call it a question of scale? Hi All, Well, I've come across an interesting conflict in data that I'd like to get some input on. This concerns the US Arkansas class monitors. Most of the websites, and all of the books I've seen, list the dimensions of the hull of the ship as 252' 1" long (wl) and a beam of 50'. So, this can be taken as the baseline. However, when I scale the plans I have, 252' long sets the scaled beam at 58' 1". Now, if you scale the plans so that the beam on the plans is 50', the length of the ship is scaled to be 225'-227'. So, that's the situation with scaling. Now, when the plans are scaled to the 252' length, all of the deckhouses, turret, guns, and fittings are too tall for the specific scale, but at about 226' all are consistent with other kits in that scale. Now, if this were one set of plans, I'd chalk it up to a bad set of plans, but the length-beam ratio of the plans is consistent over three different sets of plans, one from BuShips, one from Warship Intn'l, and a third from SNAME. The one set of plans from BuShips are direct copies of the plans held in the National Archives (the data sheet for these plans was not available), and here are the scale lengths for a set of plans listed as 1/96 scale 252' long 1/106 scale 225' long 1/95 scale Lastly, according to the Friedman book on Battleships, this ship is based on a ship designed to be 210', and there is one website that does list the length of these ships as 225' 1". That site's the Great White Fleet website at the following address http//www.greatwhitefleet.org/connecticut/05/history.htm So, here's the question. Should this ship be built at the published length of 252' 1", and accept that the beam, deckhouses, fittings, and other stuff will be larger than all the other kits we've produced? Or, say the length was transposed and build to the dimensions of 225' 1" x 50', which according to the plans and other evidence seems to be the correct dimensions? Thanks for the time. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "WEM" Subject Chesneau books on Graf Spee & KGV Hi Felix, I have been emailing with Rob Gardiner of Chatham Publishing. The books have NOT yet been released, whatever that commercial website says! Here is a quote from Rob "The first two are scheduled for publication at the end of next month (February), but to be completely honest because the production is now in the Far East I am still a bit worried about shipment time - but it won't be much later. If you tell eager customers you will be able to ship about second week March you will be safe, and we might beat that by a week or so..." so, straight from the horse's mouth, you have it. The KGV book and the Pocket Battleships books will appear at the same time. I have also had further, SERIOUSLY exciting news from Rob on this series of books.. it's all starting to happen.. but I am sworn to secrecy for now ;^) Best Regards, Caroline Snyder, Director, White Ensign Models Ltd, For the latest news from WEM, Click Here http//www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From John Snyder Subject Re HMS Burwell I haven't specifically looked at the B-Resina kit, so my answer here will be a bit general. BURWELL wore a couple of variants on the Western Approaches camo scheme. When first transferred she went through the Stage 1 conversion which, among other things, removed the aft wing torpedo mounts, removed the guns in X and Y positions and replaced X position with a RN 12-pounder, gave her RN depth-charge throwers, removed the mainmast, and shortened the foremast. At this time her funnels were still all the same height. Later, her aft three funnels were shortened (the fore funnel was not raised), as was her searchlight tower, and her camouflage scheme changed (the colours seem to have been reversed, while she retained the same pattern. I have no idea if the kit accurately reflects any of this. Best, John Snyder The Token Yank White Ensign Models http//WhiteEnsignModels.com for secure online ordering. For the latest news from WEM, Click Here http//www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochure/whats_new1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Chris and Kayo Amano-Langtree" Subject Blyskawica Hi Stephen Try Naval Camouflage 1914-1945 It has photos of the restored ship in a 1944 scheme. If you need more information let me know and I will contact a Polish friend of mine who should be able to help. Christopher Amano-Langtree ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From John Wressell Subject Re Pre-Dreadnougnt Battleships Try "The American Steel Navy" wonderful book publsihed by the Naval Institute Press John Wressell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "John Rule" Subject Blyskawica >> Are you sure you want to do her in 1944 camo? I've checked all my references and can't come up with anything certain for her in that period. On the other hand, there are LOTS of good photos of her in 1941, in overall AP 507B with AP 507A decks, and false bow and stern waves (with the lower portion of the bow wave in blue or green). << John, I believe she may have carried an Admiralty Disruptive Scheme. In fact I think she is preserved in that scheme. To the author of the original posting, please go to the Google search engine and type in "Blyskawica" and see what comes up and where it leads. Sincerely, John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Ray" Subject How do you ......? Hi smmlies ! In the christmas spirit this year, I was presented with a Trumpeter USS FRANKLIN and USS ARIZONA that fell under the catagorey of "GEE, I would sure appreciate it if you could build these up for me. AND I sure would like to see them manned and how they looked like underway." No1. I do not do sea-scapes and No2. Since I do not do sea-scapes, putting the little sailors on the little ships( which since I do not do sea-scapes means that the ships will be on pedestals) seems ludricous to me. Since nothing more that a bottle of Chevas Regal is at stake, I would not feel badly about leaving the little sailors off of the decks of these ships. Does anybody else there feel that presentation-type models look really silly with a complement on board? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Ray Cockram Subject Re All I want..... Hi Brooks, I do understand manufacturing economics and the need to make a buck, and the niche market inhabitaed by the resin manufacturers. However, it seems you are missing my point entirely. My basic complaint is about the lack of choice presented by the injection manufacturers. Primarily WW2 vessels and mostly modern American subjects. Other countries aside from the US have Navies too! So why is the manufacturing bias towards the US made ships? Is it too much to expect the major players to undertake some market research and actually ask us what we would like to see? Cheers Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From keith.vokes@exxonmobil.com Subject Re Pre Dreadnoughts One book on pre-dreadnoughts that hasn't yet had a mention is 'The Birth of the Battleship' by John Beeler ISBN 1 86176 167 8. This excellent & technical book cover the developement of the British Battlefleet from 1870 - 1881 & has many first class photographs & illustrations. Apart from British Warships there are several photos of French (Marengo, Redoutable, Colbert etc.) , Italian (Dandolo, Italia etc.), & Russian (General Admiral) warships. An excellent read especially as I bought mine in a secondhand bookshop in Wales for £5. Regards, Keith Vokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject Carrier Island Wow!! What an education!!! Never realized the "why" for the island on any one given side!!! Thank you gentlemen!!! It brings a question why did some IJN carriers have islands on the port side? Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family forever. Gus Semper Fi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From "Gordon Scott" Subject Re HMS Burwell John, I've built the B-Resina kit as well & found the instructions dreadful! For plans I used the WR Press book on Flush-deck Destroyers & also the Maritime Books book by Arnold. The photo you are looking at showed her after being in RN service for a while with the rear 3 funnels cut back rather than the fore funnel raised. The camouflage is significantly different from that described in the model which represents the ship on joining the RN. The object on the foredeck is some sort of anchor raising equipment. Good luck! Gordon Scott, Cambridge, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Subject IPMS/USA Region 3 Convention Atlanta Model Expo 2004 IPMS/USA Region 3 Convention January 30-31, 2004 Meadowcreek High School 4455 Steve Reynolds Blvd. Norcross, Georgia (Northeast Metro Atlanta) This is the big show in the Southeast. We had 925 models entered when we held the Regional two years ago, and anticipate 1000 entries this year. We have 170 vendor tables (only 50 less than the 2003 Nationals). The show features an excellent raffle; preshow donations are already double those of the last year's. We have arranged with Hampton Inn for discounted room rates for the convention. Call 77-931-9800 for reservations. More information may be had at the Victory Models website www.victorymodels.com/ame2004mp.htm. It's a great show in a great city. I look forward to seeing many of you there. John Collins Franklin, TN, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From SeaWoodies@aol.com Subject Ship books for sale Here is a list of the items I would like to sell. All are in "as new" condition and have been shelved since I purchased them years ago. My residence is Orlando, Florida. Naval Institute Press British Battleships by R.A.Burt Naval Institute Press Anatomy of The Ship Series The Hood The Submarine Alliance The Destroyer Campbeltown The 20-gun ship Blandford The Frigate Diana The Cruiiser Bartolomeo Colleoni The Battleship Warspite Conway Press Anatomy of the Ship series The 74 gun ship Bellona The colonial merchantman Susan Constant SeaWoodies@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume