Subject: SMML VOL 2427 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:42:01 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Model Shop - Anaheim 2 Moskva 1974 3 Large scale "G" class destroyer model 4 Proofreading/Editing 5 Re Planked Decks 6 Re Kormoran's displacement 7 Re Squadron Destroyers in Action 8 Re Photo quality in Squadron/Signals Pub Warships Number 20 "US Destroyers in Action Part 2." 9 R.N. pennants 10 planked decks 11 Re planked decks 12 Pearl Harbor Narrow Gauge RR 13 Re Oahu RR 14 Re Niko Models Needs Help ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1 SMML Site Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Janine Crick" Subject Model Shop - Anaheim Hi, I am travelling to the States & taking the kids to visit the mouse at Anaheim. I am looking for a model shop close by, so that I won't be bored. Also if anybody has information or know of a photoetch set for the Airfix Eboat. And this one is for Airfix, rerelease HMS Victorious. Lyndon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "John Barnum" Subject Moskva 1974 Could anyone identify the colours on the flight deck and the main deck.I have got a picture of the Moskva taken by the USN May 1974 showing the main deck as being painted with a very light colour. I beleive it is a creamy colour close to Humbrol 148 Most grateful for any help. John Barnum Margate , England Photos posted to the SMML site under Misc Photos in the Reference Section Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Large scale "G" class destroyer model For those who really enjoy the workmanship of larger scale models, you might want to click on this set of photos of a beautifully made "G" class destroyer model of the ORP Garland, at http//www.modelarstwo.org.pl/szkutnicze/galeria/mejsak/garland/index.html Others of this class were the GALLAND, GIPSY, GLOWWORM, GRAFTON, GRENADE, GREYHOUND and the GIFFIN. The scale is unknown, but I suspect that it is 1/60. A smaller scale 1/200 model can be seen at http//www.modelarstwo.org.pl/szkutnicze/galeria/korczaka/garland/index.html This model was built by Andrzej "Andy" Korczak at andykor@op.pl . And for the submarine modelers out there, try looking at this one of the USS Rasher (SS-269), at http//www.modelarstwo.org.pl/szkutnicze/galeria/inni/rasher/index.html This beutiful cut-away display model is on display at the Air Museum in Palm Springs, CA. Another beutiful large scale model is that of the French AA-cruiser De Grasse at http//www.modelarstwo.org.pl/szkutnicze/galeria/szejnoch/degrasse/index.htm Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Katz, Gene S" Subject Proofreading/Editing These are part of my daily duties as an Engineer in documentation/publication QA and checking. This is to ensure my employer doesn't shoot itself in the foot, and without patting myself on my back, my professional reputation is a good one. I also teach a writing course that attempts to impart a sense of reading and proofing your own work, i.e., filling your own wastebasket before filling someone else's. I contacted Squadron quite awhile back concerning the poor quality and lack of final book checking on their annual catalog, but got no response. I even volunteered my services GRATIS, but to no avail. They must be making enough profit down there, so who cares? Well, I offer the same GRATIS proofreading/production editing of your books, monographs, drawings, etc. I think I made the same offer to Steve Wiper at one time. I love to read "ship" things, so if you have the need please feel free to contact me. I ENJOY IT!! Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Phil Stewart Subject Re Planked Decks Hi Rob. A very skilled Japanese modeler describes his technique here, under the name of J-Model Works http//www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~mokei/e-tips-ship-deckpaint.htm Omami (I think this is the name of the site's owner) has some absolutely amazing pictorial displays of his craftwork on this Web site. There is also an article in a back issue of _Fine Scale Modeler_ magazine, September 2002, which discusses briefly how a realistic deck is painted for a 1/700 model of the IJN BB Fuso. Best from here, Phil Stewart ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject Re Kormoran's displacement The GRT (BRT) is an international cargo volume measure that has nothing to do directly with mass or density. It was determined by international convention that 100 cubic feet of covered "air" space in the hold or superstructure of a ship = space for one 1 ton of cargo whether it is mercury or feathers. Thus, 100 cu. feet of solid gold would = 55 tons, aluminum = 8 tons, and water = 2.8 tons. How the 100 cu. feet = 1 ton of cargo was derived, is a mystery to me. Therefore, a "registered ton" example is as follows The enclosed total space of Kormoran was estimated to be able to hold and store about 8700 tons of cargo, fuel, water, and people etc.; that is GRT. But the weight of the fully equipped ship was 19,900 tons of displacement (the weight of the water it displaced = weight of ship). GRT should really not be expressed in weight, but in volume. BTW the GRT measurement was abandoned in 1994. Ulrich H. Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Bill Weckel Subject Re Squadron Destroyers in Action I have been thinking about grabbing the new Squadron four stack destroyer book with my next order. I already have the Naval Institute's "Flush Decks and Four Pipes". Should I bother with Squadron's? Thanks, Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From SteveWiper@aol.com Subject Re Photo quality in Squadron/Signals Pub Warships Number 20 "US Destroyers in Action Part 2." >> Well, Steve, looks like another niche you could fill in your expert manner. I can see it now. "Bagley Class Destroyers of WWII" Oooooh. Keep up the outstanding work. << I like that Charlie! Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "bert" Subject R.N. pennants As a side thread to R.N. Pennants, pre WW2 the shape of the ships badge indicated the type of ship in the eyes of the admiralty. A shield Rounded at the bottom was used for Destroyers. A Pentagon for Cruisers, and Aircraft Carriers. and a Circular one for Battleships. a Diamond was used for "stone frigates" and auxilliaries like minesweepers etc. this changed during WW2 to the circular type for all ships vis-a-vis the "I" class of carriers, Illustrious, Formidable, and Victorious, had pentagon shaped badges, whilst Indomitable, Indefatigable, and Implacable had Circular ones.I think the reason early carriers had Pentagons was because they were originally Batlecruisers, and the badges were already designed for them. Unless someone knows better! maybe a "King of Arms" or a Herald Extraordinary.! "Yours Aye" (TaT). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From David L Miller Subject planked decks At this scale, a 6 inch deck plank would be 1/100 inch wide, so I do not think you would want to do individual plank. The completed model would be about 14 inches long. You could use a thin sheet (1/16) of pear wood for the deck. It has a very close and tight grain that would be good for a small scale. The color would simulate a wood deck. Much of the deck will be covered by superstructure, turrets, boats and machinery anyway. Regards, Dave Miller Macomb, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "John REDMAN" Subject Re planked decks Rob, There are 2 ways that I know of to scratchbuild a planked deck. One is to cheat, and buy sheets of v-groove plastic card as used by rail modellers to depict plank buildings. The smallest size available that I know of is 0.025" between grooves. This is overscale for a 1/600 CLB, but no more so than what you get as standard with most 1/600 BB injection kits. The other way is to do what this god of modelling has done to his 1/700 Kaga- http//www.oshipee.com/omami/e-build-kaga05.htm (Click on home to see the whole thing). Mr Omami's English is a bit dodgy but as far as I can tell he sanded all the deck detail off and scored in the shapes of the key deck fittings. It's a CV so the main ones were the steel frames breaking up the flight deck. He then stuck Letraset adhesive transparent sheet on. Apparently you can get sheets of the stuff in artists' materials shops and there's a type which has parallel ruled lines printed on it. He then scored along each line with a ruler and knife to get in-scale 1/700 planking, discarding the strips of sticky sheet left between grooves. Scoring plastic end tends to make the deck curve upwards longitudinally, so to offset this, he scored the *back* as well. The guy is astonishing. He then masked it all off plank by plank and airbrushed it 10 different shades of deck tan. Even he thought this was a bit OTT and that 4 or 5 would have done. We're not worthy. I chucked my 1/700 Kaga away when I saw his and started again with a new one. Good luck with your project. The Weird Sisters look fabulous in that camouflage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From Steve Singlar Subject Pearl Harbor Narrow Gauge RR I read a book some time back about a carrier sailor who was stationed in Pearl Harbor during WWII. Several times in the book he related his experiences on the Narrow Gauge RR in Hawaii. It was used to transport sailors out to some of the remote air fields and training facilities. It apparently got pretty roudy late at night. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From "Steven P. Allen" Subject Re Oahu RR A fellow on a NG RR list I'm on tipped me off to a couple of books on this subject "Did you see where there is a new book on the Oahu Railway. It's softbound and only retails for around $16.00 I think.If you are interested I would suggest getting it as there just isn't a lot out there on the subject with the exception of Jerry Best's book,Hawaiian Railroads that commands a healthy price now. I know I want one. Karen's Books in California has it I'm sure and at a good price with excelant service to boot." Dave ---- I have no more specifics than these, but this road is apparently a known subject among NG model railroaders. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From "James Kloek" Subject Photo Quality Interesting thread on photo quality in published books, and the use of digital technology. An important point to remember is that the reason we have these new books with pictures from 60 or more years ago is that there are photographic prints available to scan and digitize. Without those archival prints, we would not have these images available to us now. So if we are capturing images digitally now, how are we going to archive them? There is currently no satisfactory electronic solution to this problem. I can not imagine someone in 2064 being able to find and access any electronic files which currently exist. The best means for this is still to make a photographic (not inkjet) print, and store that. As the photographs in the Classic Warships publications show, a good quality photographic print can be scanned, digitized, and then reproduced with high quality. (However, the digital 3D artwork in my copy of the Bismarck book does show objectionable digital artifacts in, for example, the rigging and the deck lines.) I think in 2064 someone will still be able to scan prints and reproduce them. Prints are permanent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From "John Sutherland" Subject Re Niko Models Needs Help Harold, The Polish Navy history site has plans on the Dragon and Conrad. A google search on ORP either name will get the reference. However, I have to admit having mixed feelings about Niko's plans. Whilst any new multi-media WWII British warship is to be welcomed, it is sad that, with so many uncovered significant subjects to choose from they have selected one of the few older ship classes already well covered. HP Models already offers Danae and Durban in WWI fit, Delhi in 1942, Dragon in 1943 and Conrad in 1945 fits. Dauntless, Dunedin, Danae, Diomede and Durban are also listed as future issues in WWII fits. I have all five of the issued kits and they are moderatly detailed, but perfectly adequate, resin kits. They in particular cry out for some PE, but I have been able to find all I need from various WEM PE sets. The Gp 1 D class kits are also reasonably easily converted into Gp 2 C Class cruisers and the Gp2/3 D class kits into Gp 3 C Class, although I acknowledge some modellers may not wish to take this challenge on. Excepting the converted Delhi, the D class were hardly the most active ships in the RN, spending most of the war hunting commerce raiders in back-water areas then used as shore bombardment ships or expended as blockships, although the Polish did use theirs more aggressively in the Channel and North Sea areas. They would not have been my first choice for models of ships yet to be covered and now we have a second manufacturer that wants to produce them. IMHO, it is a crying shame (almost a scandal) that there are no kits (plastic, resin or pewter) that I am aware of the vastly more active, significant, and diverse, C class. There are also no kits of the E or Hawkins classes of cruisers. There are many other non-cruiser classes and individual ships of the WWII RN still uncovered, especially destroyers and escorts. There are even a few uncovered carriers. This doesn't count a number of significant ships, and classes of ships, covered only by very poor models. I don't know if you have any influence with Adam of Niko, but perhaps he could be persuaded to put his energies into covering one or more of the gaps rather than producing competing models of ships already adequately covered? John Sutherland NZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Mistress Lorna Subject SMML Site Update Hi Everybody, Well what with one thing and another we haven't had an update in a while and the archives were getting behind. So here is a grab bag of goodies..... Marc Flake, Al Bevins, Kostas Ornerakis, Leslie Foran and Darren Scannell have sent in some shots of their latest work for the Mainbrace section. I especially liked Darren's first model of 2004 which he worked on with his daughter Victoria. Tim Reynaga has reviewed the WEM 1/350 Yamato Set Added the following Reference Pages Civilian References S.S Star Princess and added the Lady Northcott to the Ferries section Misc Photo Page - Photo of HMS Puma and Moskva added Archives Added 2369 - 2427 Cheers Lorna ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume