Subject: SMML VOL 2435 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:08:38 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Converting Lindberg Trawler to Armed WW2 Trawler 2 Re Castle on the River Hunt? 3 Re Steel Navy 1350 HMS Dreadnought 4 Re figures 5 Otter 6 Re Pearl Harbour salvage 7 DLG-1 Norfolk Kit? 8 Re Pearl Harbor Salvage 9 Remains of Darwin's ship may lie under Essex mud - Feb. 16, 2004 10 Re Pearl Harbor Salvage, followup message 11 Re Pearl Harbour salvage 12 Re 1/350 scale light carriers 13 Re POTEMKIN 14 Re Periscopes 15 Re Otter 16 Re Pearl Harbour salvage 17 Re Pearl Harbour salvage 18 Bomb colors 19 New York hobby shops and other attractions 20 Re Battleship Potemkin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Ships on ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Katz, Gene S" Subject Converting Lindberg Trawler to Armed WW2 Trawler Has anyone out there done this, or similar? If so, any suggestions or references? I have some sheet styrene, I-beams, H-beams, strips, rods, with which I am anxious to experiment. Thinking about taking this kit and modifying it to have a gun platform or two or three (1/72 scale quad 20 mm, single 37 or 40 mm, maybe a modified 88 mm. Deleting foremast and making the mainmast a tripod abaft the cabin (with scratch built radar, DF loop, etc.), deleting the fuel tank and net handling gear, etc., adding davits for the lifeboat and putting it over the side. Maybe adding a K or Y gun or maybe stern DC rack. Scratch built box raft? Thanks, Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Sills O'Keefe" Subject Re Castle on the River Hunt? In SMML Vol. 2431, Bob Pearson wrote >> Are there any 1/700, 1/400 or 1/350 kits of the Castle class corvette or River class frigates? << There are 1/700 River-cl Frigates available in the guise of Loose Cannon's Tacoma-cl Frigates. The Tacomas were the USN equivalent of the RN/RCN Rivers. They were practically identical main guns might have been different, but that would be it. Incedentally, LCP has Tacomas in two styles, the USS Peoria weather ship and USS Pueblo/Tacoma (which come 2 to a box). I plan on building my Peoria as HMS Meon, a post-war conversion to LSH(S) (Landing Ship, Headquarters (Small)), the flagship of the RN's Amphibious Warfare Squadron in the late 1940s-1950s. Hope this helps, Sills O'Keefe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Michael D'Silva" Subject Re Steel Navy 1350 HMS Dreadnought Hi Romain Seil, You seek Dave Runkle, proprietor of Steel Navy/Rhino Models. As Keith Bender has already said, you’ll probably need to wait till is return from service. It’s a great kit and well worth waiting for. Michael D'Silva Victoria, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From SantMin@aol.com Subject Re figures >> Lastly, I added a few dozen crew figures (flat PE type) but now want to replace those with the outstanding 1/350 resin figures available from L'Arsenal. << Where did you find the l'Arsenal figures please ???? Thanks, Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Gary Subject Otter I'm definitely not an expert on these but I believe Tom was referring to an amphibious tracked vehicle called an Otter, See http//www.securenet.net/3rdbn5th/mike35/images/bowers%20otter.jpg http//www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m76_otter.php3 Used by the Marines. HTH Gary Schurr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Roland Mar Subject Re Pearl Harbour salvage TO Keith Vokes >> Does anyone know of the existance (i.e. in print) of any good books about the salvage and reconstruction of the battleships sunk/damaged at Pearl Habour. << The best source I have encountered is PEARL HARBOR WHY, HOW, FLEET SALVAGE, AND FINAL APPRAISAL by VADM Homer M. Wallin. Wallin was Material Officer on the staff of the Battle Force Pacific at the time of the attack, and was immediately involved in the repair operations after that attack. Shortly thereafter he was named as Fleet Salvage Officer and was in charge of the Pearl Harbor salvage operation. Admittedly I believe that it is long out of print, but you can look for it. Publication data is USGPO, Washington, 1968. L.C. Card # 68-60091. 375 pages. It originally cost $15.00, but I suspect that it would be rather more expensive if it can be located now. You can try eBay or ABE Book Search service to try to find a copy. One fascinating aspect of the salvage was the use of "tectyl" to make long flooded electric drive components useable again. One can argue that this stuff, which I had never heard of before reading this book, was key to making the entire operation possible. Without it, we would have had to remanufacture and reinstall literally all of the machinery and electrical components on the ships. Hope this is of some help. Roland Mar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Katz, Gene S" Subject DLG-1 Norfolk Kit? Any kits made by anybody (other than scratchbuilt) of the DLG-1 Norfolk (one of class) or the follow-on DLG-2 and 3 (another class)? They seem to have fallen through the cracks... Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Graham Preston Subject Re Pearl Harbor Salvage Keith, There is a very good book that I purchased through Pacific Front Hobbies a few years ago called "Pearl Harbor Why, How, Fleet Salvage, and Final Appraisal" by Vice Admiral Homer L. Wallin, USN (Ret.). It was published by the United States Government Office in Washington, in 1968, and has a Library of Congress Card number of 68-60091, rather than an ISBN, and is hard-bound. The photos in it are somewhat grainy, and in black and white, but there is a full description of the damage suffered by each ship, the salvage operations, and their eventual fate. Hope this helps. Cheers, Chris Preston, Victoria, B.C. Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject Remains of Darwin's ship may lie under Essex mud - Feb. 16, 2004 http//www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/02/16/science.beagle.reut/index.html Regards, John Kutina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Roland Mar Subject Re Pearl Harbor Salvage, followup message TO Keith Vokes Had time to poke around looking to see if the Wallin book was available. There are a bunch of them available at the ALIBRIS book site, ranging from $25 and up. Hope this helps, Roland Mar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Kathy/Pirie Sublett" Subject Re Pearl Harbour salvage Yes, Daniel Madsen, "Resurrection Salvaging the Battlefleet at Pearl Harbor, USNI Press, 2003, and Homer N. Wallin, "Pearl Harbor Why, How, Fleet Salvage and Final Appraisal", US Gov't Printing Office, 1968. Pirie Sublett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From John Snyder Subject Re 1/350 scale light carriers Hi Bill, Our good friend Jacques Druel of L'Arsenal has a 1/350 Independence-class kit in the works. Best regards, John Snyder White Ensign Models, Ltd. http//whiteensignmodels ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From Brooks Rowlett Subject Re POTEMKIN I ran this by Steve McLaughlin, author of the new English language book on Russian battleships. His reply >> Torpedo nets went in and out of fashion, as countermeasures were devised (net cutters being the prime example). Most navies had dispensed with nets sometime after the R-J War, then there was a flurry of improved (and heavier) new nets adopted on the eve of WWI. As for the Russians in particular, they had abandoned torpedo nets in the late 1890s, but in 1912-1913 a new and improved form was developed, and these were fitted to the Russian dreadnoughts as they entered service from 1914 onward. This information is based on a letter from Sergei Vinogradov; I have yet to make a systematic study of photographs to verify this, but a quick toss through the photos in my own book indicates that Sergei's statement may need modification -- the PERESVET class, the RETVIZAN and the BORODINOs all seem to have been equipped with nets. It may be that these nets had been ordered earlier (all these ships were laid down before 1900, so Sergei's statement may apply to "very late" 1890s!). Nets seem definitely to have been abandoned for a while in the Russian navy after the Russo-Japanese War, only to be fitted once again in the last years before the war. My tentative theory, therefore, is that torpedo nets were still standard equipment up to the R-J War, then were given up for a while; POTEMKIN, completed at just this time, may not have had nets fitted originally, or, since she was still undergoing trials at the time of her mutiny, she may not have had them fitted yet. She would than have had a period of service in her light paint scheme without nets, then, perhaps around the time of her refit in 1911, she had nets fitted -- a photo in my book (page 293) dated to 1912 shows her with nets, which fits Sergei's time-line. But this is all tentative and speculative. So I can only offer it for what it's worth, until I do further research.... Steve << Brooks A. Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Re Periscopes Quite a while ago I inquired (on SMML) about the availability of a couple of model submarine periscopes from vendors. To my surprise, I have not seen any responses on SMML. This is the first time I have seen absolutely no replies from subscribers. Vintage, nationality, nor scale are not important. Any suggestions will be welcome. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From "Tom Detweiler" Subject Re Otter Hi SMMLies-- thanks for your response on the Otter as a piece of minesweeping gear-- I am virtually certain that's what the other Navy vet was discussing, he was talking about mined harbors in the late part of the Vietnam war. But I'd never heard the term before 'cuz I wasn't attached to any unit doing minesweeping. If you don't mind a vet telling tales, I made two Wespacs to 'Nam in 69 and again in '70 and we were frequently "anchored out" in the Mekong delta or further out in the Gulf of Tonkin. In the gulf, every once in a while during a lull in the action (mostly naval gunfire support) we'd be out on deck relaxing and or sleeping from the day's or nights work and hear this huge, loud Ka-BOOOM-- but no ships were seen to fire guns and no bombers were in the air. CIC would eventually confirm that either the RVN Navy or some of our Minesweeps (and there were a lot of them in the gulf) or guys in the Riverine forces had rounded up and towed some Chinese mines together, then set them off to destroy them. It made one heck of a noise you could feel more than hear. Glad we never hit any! Tom Detweiler, USS Higbee DD-806, 1968-71 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From "Les Pickstock" Subject Re Pearl Harbour salvage While looking for info on Pearl's railroads I found a lot of stuff here concerning the Dec 7th attack and it's aftermath. There are some good pics of salvage operations here too. HTH http//www.history.navy.mil/ (According to 1 document I found, over 221,000 rounds of .50Cal ammo was expended during the attack... and 8 depth charges!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From Randy Ward Subject Re Pearl Harbour salvage From keith.vokes@exxonmobil.com >> Does anyone know of the existance (i.e. in print) of any good books about the salvage and reconstruction of the battleships sunk/damaged at Pearl Habour. << Keith, I don't know of a book on battleships, per se, but I've accumulated some salvage info on the USS Shaw, which gave the most impressive fireworks display that morning. The info I got came of some web pages, and included from the remains in the drydock to the raising of the pieces to rebuilding a wood bow to sailing back to the States for a new steel bow. 'Quite a story! Perhaps you can find something similar on the web... Cap'n Randy Webmaster, Clan Shaw Society ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject Bomb colors I may have missed a previous thread on ordinance colors. The planes on my WW II USN carriers will have exposed bombs (On SBDs) and torpedoes (On TBDs). What colors were they supposed to be painted? We're talking 1941 to 1945 time period. Squadron Signal's publications show some bombs to be a dark shade of green; perhaps olive drab? Also, I once saw a rendition of a Mark 13 torp with a red warhead and silver body. Really? I would appreciate any info on these items as I don't think they were all black. Bert McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From bjorn.dahlberg@saabtech.se Subject New York hobby shops and other attractions Hi Gang! I'm flying over the pond to New York on the upcoming easter, and have a couple of questions for you. 1. Are there any good hobby shops worth visiting? 2. Any other suggestions for sights and sounds? It will only be a 4 day trip, so unfortunately we won't be able to widen the area much. Main point of interest (from the wife's point of view) is Manhattan. GMY Björn Dahlberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From "bendinggrass" Subject Re Battleship Potemkin Could anyone tell me what company now makes the old Heller Potemkin? Thanks. Randy Nugent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Nathan Pettigrew" Subject Ships on ebay Hey folks, Cleaning out the closet to make room for baby #2. Who'd a thought baby clothes were more important than models? 1/700 waterline lot Tamiya Shiratuyu & Natori Glencoe USS Oregon model Monogram USS Chicago model NIB Pitroad Skywave JMSDF Shirane 1/700 A few non ship things too Revell SH-2F Seasprite helicopter model Airfix Short Sunderland III model seaplane Heller Soyuz Progress 1/125 http//cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=nathanp39&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 Seller name, nathanp39. Thanks, Nathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume