Subject: SMML VOL 2437 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:23:42 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 USS Hazelwood DD531 refs please 2 Re Steve McLaughlin - Russian Battleships 3 Re Walrusses 4 Details 5 UNITED STATES NAVY 110-ft SUBMARINE CHASERS 1943-4 6 USN Mk XIII aircraft torps - color 7 Re ordinance colors 8 Re New York hobby shops and other attractions 9 Re PH BB Reconstruction 10 Re merchant ship colours ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Pagsuyoin, Art" Subject USS Hazelwood DD531 refs please I am planning to convert a Lindberg Blue Devil to the USS Hazelwood (DD531) with DASH (http//www.navsource.org/archives/05/0553108.jpg) Can anyone tell me the MS scheme at this time? Haze Gray with Blue decks or Gray Decks? Also where can I find good refs / photos of the hangar/deck? Single rudder config? Thanks in advance Art ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From David Wells Subject Re Steve McLaughlin - Russian Battleships "Bill Livingston" wrote >> Could you post some details of this book please? I have checked Amazon and cannot find it (although I can find "The Hybrid Warship" and so on. An ISBN number would be wonderful. << "Russian & Soviet Battleships" by Stephen McLaughlin, 2003 Naval Institute Press, Annapolis MD ISBN 1-55750-481-4. It's certainly available through Naval Institute Press. http//www.usni.org/ I don't know if Amazon would carry it. Overall, I like this book. It's got lots of interesting stuff on forgotten designs, and quite a few useful drawings. Technical information is also quite good. My only criticism is that it doesn't include any information on the Project 69 and Project 82 battlecruisers. McLaughlin said that these two classes are such a large topic that they deserve a book of their own. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http//home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Thomas Riepe" Subject Re Walrusses Hi Try tumbling dice for Walrus aircraft! better detailed then Airfix avalable through Brookhurst hobbies on the net or through stronghold miniatures. They are out of white metal but really nice and real 1/600 I have one on my Suffolk kit! Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Details When considering details of ship models, don't forget the many through-the-hull intake and discharge fittings. Probably the biggest problem (challenge ?) would be finding the correct locations. Many competent modelers omit this detail, for a variety of reasons. For instance, most people are looking sort of downward when looking at a model, and fittings would not be prominent. Also, the above-the-waterline features are far more numerous and interesting and therefore more distracting. Some can't find the locating information (clue start that search before you do anything else when starting a new model). The next time you are looking at a model of an engined ship, see if it has underwater fittings, especially if you are a designated judge. I always do, although I do not have a judgeship (except for the living female models). Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From James Duck Subject UNITED STATES NAVY 110-ft SUBMARINE CHASERS 1943-4 If I could be so bold as to ask for some help, I would like to get a set of plans that were drawn by Al Ross of Bangor Main in 1980 for the 110 ft. Submarine Chaser of 1943-44. If anyone could let me know where they are available or if they have a set that they no longer want, please let me know through the SMML news letter. I have enjoyed reading the newsletter every day and seeing how much help everyone has been to each other. It is so nice to see people from all over helping each other without expecting something in return. Thank you in advance Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From Brooks Rowlett Subject USN Mk XIII aircraft torps - color From Torpedo expert Fred Milford "Propellers were steel. Torpedo bodies were bare steel. Warheads were often white or part white." He sent a jpeg of a painting showing torps being loaded, which I can send to the requester if desired. This shows the entire aft body appearing polished metal. Brooks A. Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject Re ordinance colors Tim Brooks thanks a big bunch for such an explicate description on my wanted info. It is MUCH appreciated. Will do the models accordingly. Bert McDowell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re New York hobby shops and other attractions bjorn.dahlberg@saabtech.se wrote >> I'm flying over the pond to New York on the upcoming Easter, and have a couple of questions for you. 1. Are there any good hobby shops worth visiting? << Here is a telephone directory of hobby shops in NYC http//yellowpages.superpages.com/listings.jsp?CID=5945AI1C390&MC=1&SRC=&C=hobbies&T=new+york&S=NY&R=N&STYPE=S or http//tinyurl.com/2vj2m I've been to America's Hobby Center on 22nd street, and Jan's, but about 5-6 years ago. If you want a shop that specializes in ships, or the kind of shop that carries everything, well, there are none in Manhattan. Naval Base Hobbies (SMML member Shaya) is in New York, but I believe it is a mail-order only business, with no storefront. New York City hobby shops has been discussed about once a month for the last 10 years on newsrec.models.scale See http//www.google.com/groups?as_q=manhattan%20hobby%20shops&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.models.scale&lr=&num=100&hl=en or http//tinyurl.com/2pxgh >> 2. Any other suggestions for sights and sounds? It will only be a 4 day trip, so unfortunately we won't be able to widen the area much. Main point of interest (from the wife's point of view) is Manhattan. << Björn, If this is your first visit to New York, then there is a lot to see, without ever leaving Manhattan Rockefeller Center, the UN, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Central Park, etc. The Statue of Liberty is closed, but you can still go to Liberty Island to see it up close, and to Ellis Island. If you take this side trip, the World Trade Center site is a relatively short walk (a few city blocks) from the ferry terminal. Hopefully, some New Yorkers will respond also. I'm a Bostonian who has visited New York City about 6 times and I have enjoyed myself every time. (But the Yankees still suck!) 8-) Die Hard Red Sox fan, Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Steven P. Allen" Subject Re PH BB Reconstruction From keith.vokes@exxonmobil.com >> so are there any books available on the reconstruction of Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Maryland, Nevada, California & West Virginia. If so are they still in print? << Friedman's "US Batlleships An Illustrated Design History" does a good job of describing their reconstruction (and their original designs, of course). the drawings are useful, and the pics are pretty good considering the limitations of the originals and of the printing process when the book was originally published. Steve Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re merchant ship colours Chris wrote about >> I am currently building a small colection of coastal merchants/escorts from the Skytrex range, I am ok for camo information for the escorts but could use some help on the merchants,would the ships regularly used on the UK East Coast Convoys have retained their civilian colours or would they have been repainted into camouflage.Also does anyone know any sites dealing with the ships of these covoys? << In Terry Hughes and John Costello's book THE BATTLE OF THE ATLANTIC, on page nine and ten there is a photograph of a merchantman that had been stopped by a RN ship for inspection. The vessel has its hull, masts and funnel in black, with the superstructure in grey as is the deck and its fittings. The San Demetrio on page 116 and 117 is shown in standard merchantmen colors of black and grey after escaping from the Admiral Scheer in November 1940. A sinking French military transport is shown on page 38 and 39 that is done in an overall grey. On page 44 there is a shot of the arming of a British merchantman with a WW-I era 12-pounder. This vessel and the one immediately behind it are both in grey paintwork. The photo of the armed merchant cruiser HMS Rawalpindi on page 50 and 59 show her finished off in an overall grey scheme. On page 118 there is a photograph of the Emergency Port Clearance Committee's "over the side" port at Greenock with all five merchantmen present in various shades of either medium or lighter grey. Lest one think that camouflaged merchantmen were the sole possession of the Allies, the German tanker Nordmark, on page 166, was camouflaged itself as the US Prairie in order to refuel such Type IXs as the U-107 before it and the other tankers were all sunk by the British in June 1941. Also, on 17 August 1941, the Kaiser built 10,000 ton Ocean Vanguard, on page 170 and 171 was launched in standard dark hulled merchantman scheme. The Ocean Vanguard was part of the "Ships for Britain" program. On 19 October 1941, the clearly marked US freighter Lehigh was sent to the bottom by the U-126 was not by one of misidentification. The Lehigh had its name and two large American flags clearly painted on its black hull amidships; pages 186 and 187. The 8.000 ton tanker Pan Massachussets was torpedoes on 19 February 1942 off of Cape Canaveral and was clearly photographed burning in her civilian livery on pages 198 and 199. In October 1942 the Kaiser built Joseph N. Teal was launched in a clearly dark grey paint scheme on pages 206 and 207. Additionally, the freighter Robert E. Perry was launched at Richmond, CA, on 11 November 1942 in another all dark grey finish; page 217. The tanker and freighter in the photograph with a CAM ship on the bottom of pages 170 and 171 are in medium greys, with the CAM ship in a very patchy appearance of large sections of its hull in various shades of grey, and this was not in a camouflage scheme. Another convoy shot in this book can be seen on pages 228 and 229. In this particular photograph, there are clearly three dark grey freighters, a few in medium grey scheme, and a few liners in various shades of greys. In closing, it seems that the Brits were fairly quick in squashing the merchantmen schemes on their vessels as they rushed to make them somewhat armed. While most neutrals, including the United States, kept their earlier schemes, including the point of marking their nationalities. And eventually with the entry of America into the war, wartime paintwork was quickly adopted for all vessels when it was possible to repaint them. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume