Subject: SMML VOL 2446 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:28:13 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 museum ships 2 Skytrex Napoleonic ships correction 3 Virtual museum tours of warships 4 Re Pearl Harbor salvage 5 Re Napoleonic (1/700) Men of War 6 Scratch Building Question 7 Re Points of interest for the hobbyist in Germany 8 PATIENTLY WAITING 9 Re Mayflower Rigging Plan 10 Re USS New Jersey museum looks for more visitors - Camden, NJ 11 Pensacola, Mike Cvibovic and Tiger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Shirley Sachsen Subject museum ships >> It barely scratches the surface, but it's a start. I'm sure that the Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society would prefer that I say nothing, (I'm co-webmaster) so I'll at least say very little. Some may have noticed that the Society's website hasn't said much of anything lately. Some day, the full tale of woe and intrigue will be told. Remember the Oregon. (BB-3) << don't bet on it (the whole tale being told), but the implications echo so many other gray boats that it seems to be a formula. add to it all the attempts at museums. just change the name of the venerable ship, and you have the same story repeated over and over again--regardless how hopeful the volunteers and veterans, how optimistic the websites.... s. sachsen, formerly of USS Hornet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Robert Lockie" Subject Skytrex Napoleonic ships correction Mea culpa. I think I may have been having some sort of brainstorm earlier when I suggested that the Skytrex Napoleonic ships were 1/600 scale. They are of course 1/1200 scale. Robert Lockie Swindon UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Virtual museum tours of warships For those of you who enjoy seeing very large scale warships that are at military museums, but may never have to travel throughout Europe, you can take a virtual tour at this Italian (with ENglish trnaslations) website http//members.xoom.virgilio.it/stefsap/WITB/WITB%20IRN%20Giulio%20Cesare/index.html You can see examples of these ships at the Musée de la Marine; at Paris, Brest, Toulon and Port Sant Louis. Other museums are the Il museo della Marina Militare La Spezia's (Italian Navy Museum), Bremerhaven, Kiel and Wilhelmshaven Navy Museum, Imperial War Museum and London Science Museum, San Francisco Maritime Museum, and the Saint Nazaire U Boote docks. This site also does OOB photographic reviews of many ship models for those who would like to see what they are going to buy, with Stefano's, the site's author, opinions. And one can see examples of Stefano's modeling of mostly Italian warships. His 1/400 Tauro model of the IRN Zara has added photo-etched parts, and is very well done. Other ship models are the WSW 1/700 KK Szent Istvan, Delphis Models 1/700 IRN Aquila, Pellicano, Driade and Dante Alighieri, Heller 1/400 MN Surcouf, Classic Warships 1/350 IJN Kirishima, and many others. IMO, not a bad site to earmark. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Richa5011@aol.com Subject Re Pearl Harbor salvage Another reference on this topic of note, though somewhat hard to find is the 1944 issue of Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers (SNAME). There is a 73 page, highly detailed paper complete with numerous photos, drawings and charts entitled "The Salvage of the USS Oklahoma". Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From Bill Weckel Subject Re Napoleonic (1/700) Men of War Thank you to all who have replied with links on and off SMML. I've been besieged with information. I too have arrived at the conclusion that 1/700 is too large to do the type of diorama that I have envisioned. Fortunately, there are smaller wargaming scales to work with. The Trafalgar diorama at the RN Museum in Portsmouth (UK) is what planted the seed for this. My ship called there in 1999 and I was able to visit the HMS Victory and museum. Is anyone familiar with this diorama and happen to know it's history or what scale it is in? My guess is that it pre-dates the era of the small scale cottage industry kits and wargame peices and is entirely scratch-built. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "John Rule" Subject Scratch Building Question I'm scratchbuilding a model of King George V (not the battleship, the Caledonia/MacBrayne passenger steamer) in a bastard scale close to 1600. The reason for the odd scale is too long to tell. I built the waterline, knuckle and upperdeck from plasticard, with spacers to set everything to the right height. I now want to fill the gaps between to form and shape the hull properly. What do you use for filler? I tried mixing Bondo car body filler, but the first batch went hard in about 3 minutes. Is there a way to slow it down? Maybe less hardener? The fumes are terrible, so I now understand the need for a well ventilated area. Is this the type of material other modellers use. It's my first attempt at scratchbuilding for years, my previous attempts being in 11200. Any responses would be appreciated. Sincerely John Rule ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From SteveWiper@aol.com Subject Re Points of interest for the hobbyist in Germany If you are into military vehicles (German), then there is one place to go! Sensheim. it is a small city near Nurnburg in central Germany. I was just there last year and WOW! That has got to be one of the best German military vehicle collections anywhere. Take your camera and a lot of film, and definitely plan to a make a whole day of it. It will take that long! Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "DUCKMAN" Subject PATIENTLY WAITING HOWDY ALL, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE TRUMPETER 1/350 LIBERTY SHIP? DAVID IN DIXIE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Michael D'Silva" Subject Re Mayflower Rigging Plan Hi Clive, There is no actual rigging plan for the Mayflower, as far as I know. You’ll need to refer to photographs and/or rigging plans of other ships of the period. But I suppose you’ve concluded that already. A book that goes into considerable detail on the Mayflower is The Frigate Constitution and Other Historic Ships by F. Alexander Magoun, Dover Publications – about $10 US on the second-hand market (abebooks.com). His plans are based on a study of drawings and models of ships of that period. The section on the Mayflower will be invaluable to your research. It includes a short history; Mayflower models; hull/hull fittings; spars & rigging; and equipment. It also provides plans body plan; profile and lines; sail/rigging plan; deck plan; and sections. AOTS The Colonial Merchantman Susan Constant 1605 is well worth a look. This book can be found for as little as $21 US on the second-hand market (abebooks.com). The Susan Constant was from the same period, built only a few years earlier, and would probably have carried a rigging plan very similar to the Mayflower. Using AOTS Susan Constant, along with photos of Mayflower replicas and Magoun’s plans/descriptions, should get you pretty close. According to R. C. Anderson, author of The Rigging on Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast, the Mayflower, being a smaller vessel compared to the larger merchantmen of the period, would not have carried a spritsail topsail or a mizzen topsail. This book is now available as a Dover reprint titled Seventeenth Century Rigging by R.C. Anderson. The Anderson model is also described in Magoun’s book. The Magoun book and AOTS Susan Constant should provide all the details you seek for rigging the Mayflower. I also plan to use these references when I build my Airfix Mayflower. You’re quite right about the kit, much improvement is called for. This is the case with all the Airfix sailing ships. One project I hope to begin soon is the Airfix HM Bark Endeavour. While the kit isn’t bad, modifications will need to be made to the stern area and, of course, a poop lantern will need to be scratch-built as one is not provided. Naturally, the plastic sails will be replaced with cloth ones, etc, etc, etc... Good luck in your quest, Michael D'Silva Victoria, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Steve Singlar Subject Re USS New Jersey museum looks for more visitors - Camden, NJ David, I started with the USS Salem in February 1995 and we had lots of gung-ho guys (and gals). But it wasn't long before the in-fighting began. Everyone had their own ideas of how it should be run and who should be in charge. Rather than focusing on the good of the ship and the association the egos ruin it for everyone. Good Luck. Steve Pelham, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From Subject Pensacola, Mike Cvibovic and Tiger Greetings I wanted to thank all those who provided or offered scans of the USS Pensacola I sought. Unfortunately, the plans, which I thought were '43-44, were of '42 and '45. What I need is a good look at the middle platform of the foremast and the radar station on the after deckhouse right aft of the searchlight platform and main mast. Some of my research leads me to believe that Mike Cvibovic may be the guru on the Pensacola. Is he still on this list? If so, would you be so kind as to contact me offline? Now that I have the Combrig HMS Tiger, I find that I have maybe three photos of her in library. Is there anything out there on her? Really nice kit. Can any of the London crowd recommend a good book store with a good selection naval books? Thanks, John Collins Franklin, TN USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume