Subject: SMML VOL 2454 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:58:26 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 1/192 LST help Please 2 Fletcher Class Questions 3 Re Copyright 4 Re Lights 5 Re Copy write and models 6 Re German "Marine Corps" in WW2 7 Copyright 8 German "Marines" in WW2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 Heller Victory for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Don Macdonald" Subject 1/192 LST help Please Those of you that sent me the information on the LST 1156 class. Would you please resend the information for I some how it has been misplace and I am going to be at the point whear I can use the parts and information, Thankyou so kindly DON that Portland Rustbucket , I guess that is what sometimes happen when your over 40;-) Or your files are mess up after a few jobs thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Sanartjam@aol.com Subject Fletcher Class Questions Hi, I'm trying to build the USS Johnston out of the BWN 1/350 Kidd. Can anyone direct me to some detailed drawings of the two torpedo cranes on a mid-war, square-bridge Fletcher class destroyer? They seem to be different. I don't have the Anatomy of the Ship book on The Sullivans, but I do have the FDD plans of the Johnston. Also, is there any rhyme or reason to the placement of vertical ladders on the 5" gunhouses on the Fletchers? Should each gunhouse have at least one somewhere? I'm having trouble laying my hands on a Floating Drydock Plan Book on the Fletchers; anyone have one for sale or trade? Thanks very much! Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Bill Weckel Subject Re Copyright >> c) What are the chances of litigation? << Directly proportionate to how deep your pockets are. ;-) Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Fritz Koopman Subject Re Lights Hi Gary, The various whit lights on the mast (and at least one red one) were towing lights. They were used to warn other vessels if the ship had something in tow (ie "my menuverabilitys crummy, get outta my way") such as target rafts and the like. These lights were constructed similar to other navigational lights, brass body and fresnell style lense with limited lighted arc depending on purpose. the style of these lights haven't really changed in over 150 years. Schooners had the same lights with the exception of having candles/oil lamps inside instead of electric bulbs. A good book to get that would help with required lights would be the U.S. Department of Transportation/U.S.Coast Guards' "NAVIGATION RULES, International-Inland" (comdtinst M16672.2B) or if you would like I can try to draw a few diagrams to show the arrangement under tow forward and astern. The only difference between the current international practice and the standards in 1909 would be that the yellow light displayed above the white stern light, would have been white. The light color was switched to yellow in the 50's to eliminate confusion. Best regards Fritz K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Ouellette, Lawrence M" Subject Re Copy write and models Late last year, there was a big discussion of copy write and models on the newsrec.models.scale newsgroup. Sikorsky corporation was making Ebay cancel all auctions of model Sikorsky aircraft, because no royalties were paid on the kits. We're talking about individuals selling off current kits, as well as kits that were produced decades ago. Go to http//www.google.com/groups?as_q=sikorsky%20ebay&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.models.scale&lr=&num=20&hl=en or http//tinyurl.com/3y8jj ... to see the entries. There was even email correspondence with a Sikorsky representative posted. To get around the problem, some people tried misspelling the company name, omitting it or using military designations for their wingy or bladey things. Other people put 'Sikorsky' in all of their auction descriptions or keywords, just to give the company man a hard time! After a month or two, Sikorsky seems to have stopped enforcing their will on Ebay sellers. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http//www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "johnny.geldhof17" Subject Re German "Marine Corps" in WW2 Hello, Sorry to let you know that the German DID have something like a marine corps. It was called "Deutsche marineinfanterie" It existed from 1938 till 1945. They did had also this during WW1. The Dutch and the French had also something like this. Dutch 'Korp Mariniers' and the France had 'Fusiliers Marins'. Interested in reading a book about the German Jörg Benz wrote the book Deutsche Marineinfanterie 1938 - 1945. It was issued by Husum. Johnny Geldhof http//users.skynet.be/royalnavy.sectionbelge/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Ted Johnston Subject Copyright The issue of Copyright and our Hobbies is not so off the wall as you might think, Union Pacific is after Model Railroaders to pay Royalties for the use of their logo and believe it or not the Canadian Government is going after Decal Companies for royalties on Canadian Military Aircraft Markings! Where will it end? Ted Johnston Sidney BC Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Dan Owsen Subject German "Marines" in WW2 The Germans may not have had Marines like other nations but they did have a division made up of ex-U-Boat crews and dockworkers called the Marine Infanterie Division 2. This division was formed in the last desperate days when these guys didn't have any more U-Boats to sail. They fought in the Rhine. For more about this unit try the book No Triumphant Procession by John Russell published by Arms and Armour Press 1994. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Millen, Alan R." Subject Heller Victory for sale I’ve had the Heller 1/100th H.M.S. Victory for decades. I got it within a month of its release, so it’s a nice, crisp, molding. However, I’ve moved 7 or 8 times since then, and the box is no longer in such good condition. Along with the kit comes at least 6 books 1) The Anatomy of the Ship The 100-Gun Ship Victory, by John McKay 2) The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, 1600-1815, by Brian Lavery 3) The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War 1650-1850, by Peter Goodwin 4) The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860, by James Lees 5) The Anatomy of Nelson’s Ships, by C. Nepean Longridge 6) Anything else I can find Also comes with any and all photographs I’ve taken at various museums of other Victory ship models. I’ll be at MosquitoCon this Saturday, if anyone’s interested. Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at http//smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at http//apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume