Subject: SMML VOL 2457 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:44:46 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Prinz Eugin Turret Colors 2 PT 34 from that Portland Rustbucket in Portland Oregon 3 Essex CV question 4 Re Another (sadly) day to remember 5 Disposition of USS Hoga 6 Blue fresnal lens 7 Re Another (sadly) day to remember 8 Re Moquitocon 9 Re PT Boat Hull Numbers 10 Re Hoga disposition 11 Re Another (sadly) day to remember ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From JDavid1027@aol.com Subject Prinz Eugin Turret Colors Hello Fellow Modelers, I have a few short questions. Do any of you who specialize in the Kriegs Marine ships have an idea of what shade of red to use on the turret tops of the German Cruiser Prinz Eugin. I have seen Steve Wipers book and it is excellent, but it is obvious that the photo on the cover has been enhanced. Also, what color best reproduces the teak decks on the German warships. Thanks for any help you can give me. Jerry Davidson Titanic Research & Modeling Association Trustee (who also likes warship models ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Don Macdonald" Subject PT 34 from that Portland Rustbucket in Portland Oregon Hello John, This is your Rustbucket ( Don ) OK I am part of the save the PT boat here in Oregon , PT 658 a Higgins or the wet boats. OK since your in TN get a hold of the National Pt boat club that is in Germantown Tn. Phone is 901 755-8440 fax is 901 751 0522 , address is PO box 38070 zip 38183-0070. Write to Alyce Mary if any body can answer your question she will be able to, go get the facts on that boat for I know she can help you with what ever you need. Her father was with the early boats and later started the National PT boater Club or go to falls rivers to see a pair of Real PT boats on display, NOW She knows me as Don MacDonald From Portland Oregon tell her I ask you to get ahold of and when you do tell her I say. It was her father that started the national club, There a grate group of people. Allways willing to help and answer questions / I met her a few years ago and she was kind and I join there group before Our boat came to Portland I am now concider the Modular of our group since I can no longer do any of the PHY work on but I still have full run on the PT . O- by the way to this day one of my PTs are in there Museum that was over about 8 years ago reason I know I just ask about a month or so ago. SO get a hold of the main club. I hope this will help. I am sure you will get many answers from others on the board. but I have a very soft spot for the PT . IF I can help any feather please get back in touch DON That Portland Rustbucket in Portland Oregon . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject Essex CV question Re John Roberts' excellent book "Anatomy of the ship Intrepid / CV-11," page 44 Plan A8/1 - hanger deck there is a reference to an "Auxiliary elevator", which seems to be a part of the number three (Aft-most) lift. If I understand correctly, this must be an additional platform UNDERNEATH (?) the main lift to provide additional floor space to move aircraft along the hanger deck and is raised while the main elevator is up at the flight deck. My questions are 1. Is this a correct assumption? 2. Was this feature included in the entire class of CVs? 3. If no one knows, where can I find the answer? Bert McDowell (Essex class fan). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From "Allen Stevens" Subject Re Another (sadly) day to remember To Javier in Spain I am not overly religous but you have my prayers and thoughts. Allen United Kingdom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject Disposition of USS Hoga From what I have read, the USS Hoga is going to the Arkansas Inland Maritime Museum that is going to be near the proposed Clinton Library. The USS Razorback is also going to this museum. It sounds like Clinton had nothing to do with it. Ulrich H. Rudofsky Delmar, NY, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From "Tom Detweiler" Subject Blue fresnal lens Hi fellow SMMLies-- and before I forget, thanks and God Bless Shane and Lorna, without whom none of this would be possible!! Shane I hope you are feeling better after your life and death fight, and we are all glad you came through, you had us worried buddy!! I have from my old USN destroyer USS Higbee DD-806 (now on eternal patrol) a fresnel lens that is blue -- kind of a cobalt blue. It's about 8" diameter and 10" high or so, I'll send a pic to anyone who requests same who can help identify it. I found it on cleaning detail in the after steering gear bilges, ca. 1969.. the NCO told us to toss it and other junk overboard but I kept it -- and now it's a momento and night light for when an old salt gets up at night to empty the bilges. It seems to me it said stern light but now I'm not sure. What would a Blue fresnel lens be used for on a Vietnam era Gearing DD? Can't find any reference to it in my old bluejackets manual, but I bet someone on this list knows the answer! I appreciate your knowledge, thanks for sharing. Tom Detweiler, IC2/USS Higbee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Lorin Hart" Subject Re Another (sadly) day to remember The souls lost, and all Spain are in my prayers and thoughts. May God grant you peace. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From David Wells Subject Re Moquitocon Gary Schurr wrote >> Was at MosquitoCon this weekend and must say it was an excellent event. There were quite a few ship models on the tables. Well done guys. << I was there too, and I have to agree. The "wingy thingies" may have dominated, but the ship guys put on a good show. It was hard to miss the big 1/96 scale Ticonderoga (CG-47), but I liked the smaller models too. The competition included a 1/700 Potemkin, a 1/600 Repulse, a 1/700 Japanese cruiser, a 1/700 Independence (CVL-22) and numerous others. I also got to meet Gary Kingzett and others. And of course, I came away with a ship or three, including a little Iron Shipwrights resin kit that I won in the raffle..... Congrats to NJ-IPMS on a good show! "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http//home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From ConnellyTG@aol.com Subject Re PT Boat Hull Numbers In pre-war service - she'd have large shaded numbers (PT-34) on her bow port and starboard and small shaded numbers (34) on the front of the charthouse. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Burl Burlingame Subject Re Hoga disposition I should have been clearer - the Pearl Harbor veteran boat is apparently going to the Marine Inland display next to the President Clinton Library on the Red River in Little Rock, instead of to Pearl Harbor. As one Park Service historian said, "That's about as appropriate as the Arizona Memorial being awarded Monica's blue dress." "Official" word out of NAVSEA, by the way, is that no decision has yet been reached, which is running counter to what there own workers are saying. Burl Burlingame ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From David Wells Subject Re Another (sadly) day to remember "F J Hueso" >> May I dare to beg a pray from my fellow smmlmates on behalf of those 190-plus people savagely murdered today here in Spain << As far as I'm concerned, you may. Spain was one of the many nations to stand by the USA when we were hit on 9/11, so I think that the USA and the rest of the world should stand by Spain on this sad occasion. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | Adm. D. 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