Subject: SMML VOL 2467 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:29:00 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 110 ft subchaser book 2 Re HMCS Drumheller 3 Hoga 4 Re Hoga 5 Re Oahu Railway Question....Answer 6 Re Essex-class elevator question/USS Hoga 7 Re WW 1 Sub chasers 8 Re HMCS Drumheller 9 HMCS DRUMHELLER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 PC Patrol Craft and new book ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From PaulShip37@aol.com Subject 110 ft subchaser book I have read with interest the ongoing discussions of the history of the 110ft subchasers of WWI. One of the original references I have come across is a book "Cinderellas of the Fleet",published in the 20's. I was a little surprised to see an unknown source, a book about 100footers titled " Hounding the Hun from the Seas" on Ebay yesterday. It was published by the Elco works of NJ in 1919, 40 pgs. The auction had just closed but I jotted down the winners name if anyone with an ongoing interest wanted to try to correspond with them. Paul Giltz, Toledo,Ohio ( home of the Jeep, now just "damn-Chrysler") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Bob Pearson" Subject Re HMCS Drumheller Hi Jon, I have created a website/mailing list on the Flower class corvette, and Drumheller is one of the corvettes I have illustrated there. However I show her later in the war after her focsle was extended. For the time period you are interested in she would still have had the short focsle. Her appearance was basically the same as that shown for HMCS Midland with no Type 271 radar, but just a platform for a searchlight on the rear of the bridge. The camouflage was similar to that shown on HMCS Shawinigan. Artwork on the 4" gunshield depicted a devil beating on a drum. Changes to the Revell kit to make Drumheller in 1942 - short focsle, new decks and build area under focsle - shorten engine room casing - move 2pdr bandstand to rear of engine room skylight - new bridge - move mast to in front of bridge - add minesweeping gear to quarterdeck I show how to accomplish the above in an ongoing series of articles on my conversion to the short focsle HMCS Wetaskiwin. If you want to make it easier, Drumheller can be built as in 1944 by just doing the RCN modifications listed on the site. . this entails - shorten casing - move 2 pdr bandstand - delete kit galley, and build new one at rear of bridge Regards, Bob Pearson Flower Class Corvettes http//www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Charlie Jarvis Subject Hoga I'm glad to see any ship with such historical significance preserved. As far as being near to the Clinton library, well, that makes no difference to me. But I bet it would have one helluva cigar store. Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From tkremer@pacbell.net Subject Re Hoga >> It's official - the Navy has awarded Pearl Harbor veteran USS Hoga to the attraction complex in Arkansas that includes the Clinton Library, rather than to the Pearl Harbor group. The Navy never has done very well regarding Pearl Harbor history.... << That might be just as well... there are a lot of vets in Arkansas and no similar projects, there is a good chance that the volunteers will be able to reach the critical mass needed to maintain the ship. I think the Pearl Harbor group already has a plenty big project to absorb the available resources. Tom K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "David T. Okamura" Subject Re Oahu Railway Question....Answer >> Here's a story on the book http//starbulletin.com/2004/03/07/features/story1.html << Very nice article, and I loved the photo of the Iwilei roundhouse. How many railroads not only had lush manicured grass around the turntable pit, but also palm tress and plumerias? The Oahu Railway was definitely a "scenic railroad" even in the maintenance area. David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From jodie Subject Re Essex-class elevator question/USS Hoga hello all -- Regarding the question on Essex-class elevators, only the three ships (Ticonderoga, Hancock, Intrepid) with the farther-aft elevator had the B&A crane forward of the elevator. All the rest had it aft of the (further-forward on the starboard side) elevator. The SCB-27A modernizations included a B&A crane on the port side, aft of the port deck-edge elevator. When the SCB-125 conversions came along, the crane on the -27As that were converted under -125 (and Oriskany, under -125A) was moved to the starboard side, aft of the starboard elevator. Regarding USS Hoga, Kurt Greiner wrote >> As far as the Clinton library goes, would you prefer to see the ship scrapped rather than be tied up near it? My understanding is that the maritime museum and the library are two separate entities. << They indeed are. One of the misconceptions that's going around is that the Clinton library will get Hoga, when the museum and the library are separate entities. Hoga will be part of a museum that will include USS Razorback, as I understand it. It's also worth nothing that North Little Rock most likely got the nod because it submitted a VERY strong proposal that had a lot of resources already in hand and ready to go. The accounts I've read of the Hawaii proposal for Hoga were that it was (a) put together in a hurry, and (b) had a lot in the way of pledges, but not as much in the way of actual assets on hand. I'm thinking that the Navy went with the strongest proposal with the most resources on hand, and it was most likely as a direct result of what happened with USS Cabot several years back. The Navy didn't want another ship that significant to fall to the same fate, so the Navy probably went with the surest deal. Having been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, mailed the postcards and gotten the tattoo, I can't say I blame 'em. jodie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject Re WW 1 Sub chasers Thanks to those astute gentlemen of impeccable good taste for expressing an interest in the WW 1 wooden hulled 110 Ft. subcasers (also know by a variety of soubriquets such as "Splinter Fleet", Maverick Navy", "Donald Duck Navy", "Sea Cooties" [from SC], etc.). As observed by Dr. London, negative feedback is indeed invaluable. I have evaluated the emasculation performed by the editorial staff of NRJ, and will be seriously amending my original manuscript. I have since uncovered some additional material which will be incorporated therein as well. Franklyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Subject Re HMCS Drumheller Hi John, Drumheller was an RCN Flower Class Corvette. 2 very good & inexpensive references for those ships are Warship Perspectives, Flower Class Corvettes in WWII, by John Lambert, WR Press, Inc., & Corvettes of the RCN 1939-1945, by Macpherson & Milner, Vanwell Publishing, Ltd. BTW, John Lambert knows just about everything there is to know about the Flowers. HTH. Regards, Bill Bryant ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From "Dean, Tom" Subject HMCS DRUMHELLER Jon If you want to portray DRUMHELLER at the time of the rescue (1942) the Revell kit might not be the best choice. In 1942 she was still a short fo's'cle ship and remained so until 1944. The Revell kit would have the wrong bridge, stern configuration, armament arrangement and location of the band stand and galley. You mentioned that you are new to modeling and the conversion would be daunting. Even if you want to show her later in the war you will still have to make numerous changes to the kit. The kit is basically a typical RN Corvette and only a handful of RCN Corvettes originally built for the RN in Canada but taken over by the RCN fit the configuration. You might be wiser to obtain one of the other kits of short fo's'cle ships that available. I am sure that some of the people on the list would be able to recommend which ones and where to obtain them. As I recall they are readily available in the UK and from people on this list. Two books that would assist in building an RCN Corvette if you can obtain copies would be "Canada's Flowers" by Tom Lynch "Corvettes of the RCN" by Macpherson & Miller Both have good pictures and general arrangement plans, plus interesting text. Hope I didn't discourage you, just wanted to steer you on a better course before you started. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From WVeigele@aol.com Subject PC Patrol Craft and new book Modelers should see the popular book titled "PC Patrol Craft of WWII" that contains photographs, drawings, and engineering plans of a PC. Details can be seen at www.astralpublishing.com/patrolcraft.html For a new book titled "Sea Bag of Memories" about small USN ships of WWII, with photos of and plans for models of various ships, see www.astralpublishing.com/seabag.html. Thank you. 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